Middle Lane Drivers, Do they Ever Notice?
Discussion
bigothunter said:
Middle lane hogging was made an offence back in 2013. So an attempt has been made to improve matters albeit with limited effect. Education 'adverts' and Move Left signs would help.
Most of my motorway driving today involves towing a large car transporter. I am not permitted in the outside lane. So MLMs can present a significant inhibiter to making progress.
Actually playing with MLMs can be good sport rather than stressful. Know I shouldn't do it but sometimes I can't resist.
Please don't get me started on our ridiculously low speed limits only suitable for morons.
I am aware of the law but the police are under resourced. Most of my motorway driving today involves towing a large car transporter. I am not permitted in the outside lane. So MLMs can present a significant inhibiter to making progress.
Actually playing with MLMs can be good sport rather than stressful. Know I shouldn't do it but sometimes I can't resist.
Please don't get me started on our ridiculously low speed limits only suitable for morons.
I'd be happy to use cameras but then you would complain about the speed issue. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, and all that.
The speed limits are what they are.
Moron is not a word anyone should use. Perhaps you should research its derivation along with cretin and imbecile.
There are so many more important issues in life on which to focus than some petty inconveniences.
bigothunter said:
Nomme de Plum said:
Moron is not a word anyone should use. Perhaps you should research its derivation...
1: a foolish or stupid person
2: a person affected with mild intellectual disability
Which is exactly what I meant
The big yin said:
911 hope
re your comment
Scenario.......
A14 2 lane DC. Truck decided he can go marginally faster than the 20 trucks in front of him, so pulls out to overtake.
To hell with the cars that were dong 70 in that lane... they have to brake to avoid the accident!
Reference above the cars doing 70 should have anticipated the hgv intending to pull out and slowed sufficiently to not have to brake(" to avoid the accident")
It is the same with cars pulling out to overtake , How many other car drivers have to brake to avoid the collision,!! Looking ahead instead of at the road 1 foot in front of the car is easy and saves all the above but a lot of drivers you included by the sounds of it don't.
So you are saying that cars should not overtake HGVs, in case they randomly dive out when there is not an adequate gap.re your comment
Scenario.......
A14 2 lane DC. Truck decided he can go marginally faster than the 20 trucks in front of him, so pulls out to overtake.
To hell with the cars that were dong 70 in that lane... they have to brake to avoid the accident!
Reference above the cars doing 70 should have anticipated the hgv intending to pull out and slowed sufficiently to not have to brake(" to avoid the accident")
It is the same with cars pulling out to overtake , How many other car drivers have to brake to avoid the collision,!! Looking ahead instead of at the road 1 foot in front of the car is easy and saves all the above but a lot of drivers you included by the sounds of it don't.
If you think through your point, the gap to the HGV in the inside lane must close as you overtake. The HGV has a responsibility to NOT pull out and cause the approaching car to brake.
The fact that the HGV is closing on something ahead of him does not give him the right to pull out, though this is a very common occurrence.
As a rule of thumb if any driver takes an action, which requires another to react to avoid an accident, then they are in the WRONG.
Obviously, an experienced driver regards HGVs as moving hazards (given their mass and behaviour) and expect the worst. This prevents some accidents.
Cars overtaking need not be the same. If well driven they can accelerate to the prevailing speed in the overtaking lane.
Nomme de Plum said:
Yes but what is your evidence? Does anyone who transgresses any other motoring rule fall foul and become a moron also?
Drivers who hog the middle lane fit the definition of morons.They are foolish or stupid; they act as though affected by mild intellectual disability.
911hope said:
So you are saying that cars should not overtake HGVs, in case they randomly dive out when there is not an adequate gap.
If you think through your point, the gap to the HGV in the inside lane must close as you overtake. The HGV has a responsibility to NOT pull out and cause the approaching car to brake.
The fact that the HGV is closing on something ahead of him does not give him the right to pull out, though this is a very common occurrence.
As a rule of thumb if any driver takes an action, which requires another to react to avoid an accident, then they are in the WRONG.
Obviously, an experienced driver regards HGVs as moving hazards (given their mass and behaviour) and expect the worst. This prevents some accidents.
Cars overtaking need not be the same. If well driven they can accelerate to the prevailing speed in the overtaking lane.
Intriguing assertion that HGVs randomly diving out in a dangerous manner being a very common occurrence.If you think through your point, the gap to the HGV in the inside lane must close as you overtake. The HGV has a responsibility to NOT pull out and cause the approaching car to brake.
The fact that the HGV is closing on something ahead of him does not give him the right to pull out, though this is a very common occurrence.
As a rule of thumb if any driver takes an action, which requires another to react to avoid an accident, then they are in the WRONG.
Obviously, an experienced driver regards HGVs as moving hazards (given their mass and behaviour) and expect the worst. This prevents some accidents.
Cars overtaking need not be the same. If well driven they can accelerate to the prevailing speed in the overtaking lane.
I've experienced such inconsiderate driving but it's fairly unusual in my experience. Certainly no worse than cars pulling out abruptly.
We must be doing something different
bigothunter said:
The trap - HGV drivers are thickos 
Having revealed that I hold an HGV Class 1 licence, also I have two engineering degrees (BSc 2:1 and MSc) and I'm chartered.
So before the insults start, work out that conundrum.
So perhaps you can use your engineering education to work out what advantage is gained by a HGV utilising a momentary slight speed differential to maybe and eventually overtake and often have that overtake reversed on the down or up slope.Having revealed that I hold an HGV Class 1 licence, also I have two engineering degrees (BSc 2:1 and MSc) and I'm chartered.
So before the insults start, work out that conundrum.
911hope said:
So perhaps you can use your engineering education to work out what advantage is gained by a HGV utilising a momentary slight speed differential to maybe and eventually overtake and often have that overtake reversed on the down or up slope.
You have not answered any enquiries about your background or experience. It seems your comments are pure conjecture rather than based on experience. As such, they have limited value.There is no substitute for actually performing a task before commenting on it.
911hope said:
So perhaps you can use your engineering education to work out what advantage is gained by a HGV utilising a momentary slight speed differential to maybe and eventually overtake and often have that overtake reversed on the down or up slope.
Maybe you can use common sense to work out what advantage someone sitting in an inappropriate lane in a car is providing to the world at large? Less than the HGV driver, who may actually achieve something to his advantage, whilst providing a service to the economy. And who will go back to the inside lane whether the manoeuvre proves successful or not. Oh, there you go, don't bother answering, saved you the trouble of casting around fruitlessly for the resource that those of us are blessed with it refer to as common sense. I'm no fan of elephant racing, and frankly, on occasion would cheerfully like to cave the skull in of the muppet responsible, but unlike you, I'm not disingenuous enough to pretend I don't understand why it happens. Whereas I'm also not disingenuous enough to try and provide an argument for your MLM mates. They're as previously stated, morons, operating devoid of thought or awareness on any level.
bigothunter said:
911hope said:
So perhaps you can use your engineering education to work out what advantage is gained by a HGV utilising a momentary slight speed differential to maybe and eventually overtake and often have that overtake reversed on the down or up slope.
You have not answered any enquiries about your background or experience. It seems your comments are pure conjecture rather than based on experience. As such, they have limited value.There is no substitute for actually performing a task before commenting on it.
Asking is a basic response tactic, when faced with observable facts that cannot be denied. Answer some of these questions.
Do HGVs have limiters, which renders their overtaking ponderous and often unsuccessful?
Are differences in effective speed limits so marginal, that impact on journey time is trivial?
Are overtaking HGVs often retaken on the next hill?
Do HGVs pull out into the path of faster traffic, without the capability to accelerate?
Do HGV drivers know their limitations and do it anyway?
Do HGVs' behaviours have a severe impact on the flow of traffic?
These facts go on and on, and even the defenders don't even have the nerve to deny them.
All we get is...
It's the fault of the limiters. --- when the driver makes the decision
Food on the table? ---- won't get there any faster
Have you driven a HGV? ------ a weak attempt at deflection.
911hope said:
There is little relevance to my background and experience. If I were to respond on this, I could just fabricate something like so many. Your would not necessarily believe it, so it is worthless.
Asking is a basic response tactic, when faced with observable facts that cannot be denied. Answer some of these questions.
Do HGVs have limiters, which renders their overtaking ponderous and often unsuccessful?
Are differences in effective speed limits so marginal, that impact on journey time is trivial?
Are overtaking HGVs often retaken on the next hill?
Do HGVs pull out into the path of faster traffic, without the capability to accelerate?
Do HGV drivers know their limitations and do it anyway?
Do HGVs' behaviours have a severe impact on the flow of traffic?
These facts go on and on, and even the defenders don't even have the nerve to deny them.
All we get is...
It's the fault of the limiters. --- when the driver makes the decision
Food on the table? ---- won't get there any faster
Have you driven a HGV? ------ a weak attempt at deflection.
Do you see much of the outside world?Asking is a basic response tactic, when faced with observable facts that cannot be denied. Answer some of these questions.
Do HGVs have limiters, which renders their overtaking ponderous and often unsuccessful?
Are differences in effective speed limits so marginal, that impact on journey time is trivial?
Are overtaking HGVs often retaken on the next hill?
Do HGVs pull out into the path of faster traffic, without the capability to accelerate?
Do HGV drivers know their limitations and do it anyway?
Do HGVs' behaviours have a severe impact on the flow of traffic?
These facts go on and on, and even the defenders don't even have the nerve to deny them.
All we get is...
It's the fault of the limiters. --- when the driver makes the decision
Food on the table? ---- won't get there any faster
Have you driven a HGV? ------ a weak attempt at deflection.
Heaveho said:
Maybe you can use common sense to work out what advantage someone sitting in an inappropriate lane in a car is providing to the world at large? Less than the HGV driver, who may actually achieve something to his advantage, whilst providing a service to the economy. And who will go back to the inside lane whether the manoeuvre proves successful or not.
Oh, there you go, don't bother answering, saved you the trouble of casting around fruitlessly for the resource that those of us are blessed with it refer to as common sense. I'm no fan of elephant racing, and frankly, on occasion would cheerfully like to cave the skull in of the muppet responsible, but unlike you, I'm not disingenuous enough to pretend I don't understand why it happens. Whereas I'm also not disingenuous enough to try and provide an argument for your MLM mates. They're as previously stated, morons, operating devoid of thought or awareness on any level.
I'm no fan of mid lane hogs.Oh, there you go, don't bother answering, saved you the trouble of casting around fruitlessly for the resource that those of us are blessed with it refer to as common sense. I'm no fan of elephant racing, and frankly, on occasion would cheerfully like to cave the skull in of the muppet responsible, but unlike you, I'm not disingenuous enough to pretend I don't understand why it happens. Whereas I'm also not disingenuous enough to try and provide an argument for your MLM mates. They're as previously stated, morons, operating devoid of thought or awareness on any level.
carlo996 said:
911hope said:
There is little relevance to my background and experience. If I were to respond on this, I could just fabricate something like so many. Your would not necessarily believe it, so it is worthless.
Asking is a basic response tactic, when faced with observable facts that cannot be denied. Answer some of these questions.
Do HGVs have limiters, which renders their overtaking ponderous and often unsuccessful?
Are differences in effective speed limits so marginal, that impact on journey time is trivial?
Are overtaking HGVs often retaken on the next hill?
Do HGVs pull out into the path of faster traffic, without the capability to accelerate?
Do HGV drivers know their limitations and do it anyway?
Do HGVs' behaviours have a severe impact on the flow of traffic?
These facts go on and on, and even the defenders don't even have the nerve to deny them.
All we get is...
It's the fault of the limiters. --- when the driver makes the decision
Food on the table? ---- won't get there any faster
Have you driven a HGV? ------ a weak attempt at deflection.
Do you see much of the outside world?Asking is a basic response tactic, when faced with observable facts that cannot be denied. Answer some of these questions.
Do HGVs have limiters, which renders their overtaking ponderous and often unsuccessful?
Are differences in effective speed limits so marginal, that impact on journey time is trivial?
Are overtaking HGVs often retaken on the next hill?
Do HGVs pull out into the path of faster traffic, without the capability to accelerate?
Do HGV drivers know their limitations and do it anyway?
Do HGVs' behaviours have a severe impact on the flow of traffic?
These facts go on and on, and even the defenders don't even have the nerve to deny them.
All we get is...
It's the fault of the limiters. --- when the driver makes the decision
Food on the table? ---- won't get there any faster
Have you driven a HGV? ------ a weak attempt at deflection.
911hope said:
Heaveho said:
Maybe you can use common sense to work out what advantage someone sitting in an inappropriate lane in a car is providing to the world at large? Less than the HGV driver, who may actually achieve something to his advantage, whilst providing a service to the economy. And who will go back to the inside lane whether the manoeuvre proves successful or not.
Oh, there you go, don't bother answering, saved you the trouble of casting around fruitlessly for the resource that those of us are blessed with it refer to as common sense. I'm no fan of elephant racing, and frankly, on occasion would cheerfully like to cave the skull in of the muppet responsible, but unlike you, I'm not disingenuous enough to pretend I don't understand why it happens. Whereas I'm also not disingenuous enough to try and provide an argument for your MLM mates. They're as previously stated, morons, operating devoid of thought or awareness on any level.
I'm no fan of mid lane hogs.Oh, there you go, don't bother answering, saved you the trouble of casting around fruitlessly for the resource that those of us are blessed with it refer to as common sense. I'm no fan of elephant racing, and frankly, on occasion would cheerfully like to cave the skull in of the muppet responsible, but unlike you, I'm not disingenuous enough to pretend I don't understand why it happens. Whereas I'm also not disingenuous enough to try and provide an argument for your MLM mates. They're as previously stated, morons, operating devoid of thought or awareness on any level.
You say you aren't a fan, but you seem reticent to criticise it, and have even provided criticism of those of us who have pointed out all that's wrong with it.
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