Best smoker barges 1-5 large [Vol 14]

[Bonefish Blues]

minimoog said:

Bonefish Blues said:

Can be breathed upon at negligible cost without modification or loss of reliability up to c275bhp.

In which fettle they will torque-steer like a mofo

Yep, these cars are better in the straight-ahead mode, for sure!

[JOB2.5-16]

Johnny Raydome said:

0a said:

A threadist is famous:

It's impossible not to smile at the first paragraph. I'm not long in tonight from an 800-mile round trip (inc. local driving) to Shropshire this weekend in the quoted Bornite Sportline 190e.
It drove like an absolute dream; smooth, fast when needed, relaxed, mega-comfortable.

And - bonus - it was dry all weekend, so the the paintwork gleamed for 3 days solid!

Looking smart before setting off last Friday:

That little Sportline is a lovely piece of kit.

[XMified]

Bonefish Blues said:

XMified said:

Guys, what are these like NVH-wise? I might need another estate soon. Loved my old 9000 Aero.
Couldn't contemplate getting back into something noisy or harsh for long trips- to me, barge=refinement.
It needs to be quiet.

In their element on long journeys - economical (surprisingly so) in that mode, too.

Can be breathed upon at negligible cost without modification or loss of reliability up to c275bhp. UKSaabs Forum is worth a visit.

Yeah, modding is easy- was on UKS for a long time due to my 9000! Read all about Karl and his Noobtune stuff-quite amazing for so little cost.

Saab was always ready to give so much straight-line speed for very little (used) outlay- I don't think my W215 with a very decent 340 ft lbs is really any quicker than my old (lightly breathed on) 9000 Aero. I could be wrong of course. The extra 500kg of the Mercedes might have something to do with that!

[XMified]

JOB2.5-16 said:

Johnny Raydome said:

0a said:

A threadist is famous:

It's impossible not to smile at the first paragraph. I'm not long in tonight from an 800-mile round trip (inc. local driving) to Shropshire this weekend in the quoted Bornite Sportline 190e.
It drove like an absolute dream; smooth, fast when needed, relaxed, mega-comfortable.

And - bonus - it was dry all weekend, so the the paintwork gleamed for 3 days solid!

Looking smart before setting off last Friday:

That little Sportline is a lovely piece of kit.

If it drives half as well as it looks....it must be wonderful.

[anonymous-user]

XMified said:

Yeah, modding is easy- was on UKS for a long time due to my 9000! Read all about Karl and his Noobtune stuff-quite amazing for so little cost.

Saab was always ready to give so much straight-line speed for very little (used) outlay- I don't think my W215 with a very decent 340 ft lbs is really any quicker than my old (lightly breathed on) 9000 Aero. I could be wrong of course. The extra 500kg of the Mercedes might have something to do with that!

Remapped turbos can be a bit deceptive like that, most maps take out a lot of the smoothness of a factory map that is in place to protect drivetrain parts and make the car feel more linear. This also makes the car feel much faster than it really is - same as the TDi effect on people used to NASP petrol engines back in the 00s. My remapped Volvo D5 feels much faster than it actually is.

Tuner power claims are also very suspect, at best they might make the claimed power in a "best case" scenario but it's not going to be anything like as accurate and consistent as an OEM calibration. I've experienced this first hand with mapped cars on hot days after a bit of driving that gets things heatsoaked.

[Masiv]

What a colour!!!!!

Edited by Masiv on Monday 15th April 12:24

[Masiv]

Masiv said:

What a colour!!!!!

Edited by Masiv on Monday 15th April 12:24

£400

Seller's Description

An exceptional Volvo V70 2.4petrol slightly high mileage but the car is 19years old, in excellent condition inside and out, has central locking, heated seats, heated mirrors, cruise control every button works slight scratch to drivers side rear panel, recent passed mot! Viewing is a must before you throw your silly offers!

[LeighW]

derin100 said:

derin100 said:

jke11y said:

This is looking like good value with 10 mins to go...



Mercedes 300SL (R129) 1993, 3 Owners, Service History, Genuine 52000 Miles

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2...

Agreed! 5 mins to go!

Unsold at £4.6k. So it makes you wonder about the true value of all the higher priced cars one sees really...?

Relisted. Price - optimistic!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/153451814572?ViewItem=&...

In other news, my Jag had a slight mental fit on Friday. I was taking my folks up to the lakes for the weekend, pootling along a dual carriageway, eveything fine until I slowed down approaching a roundabout when there was a noise akin to a lorry's air brake hiss from below the centre console, and I noticed the revs were briefly up to around 5k! I drove off slowly, and the revs were fluctuating slightly. I did notice that I'd left the 'box in sport, so switched that off and drove gently for the next mile or so, waiting for the inevitable warning lights/loss of drive, but then it settled down and was fine.

I had a stern word with it, and it's been fine all weekend since. I drove the 200 miles home yesterday without issue, but obviously something is amiss in gearbox land. Torque converter? Valve body? I had the fluid done when I bought it at 72k, now on 86k. A trip to my friendly Jag man is in order, no doubt followed by a chunky invoice!

[phil_cardiff]

minimoog said:

Bonefish Blues said:

Can be breathed upon at negligible cost without modification or loss of reliability up to c275bhp.

In which fettle they will torque-steer like a mofo

Not if you can modulate a throttle I'd have thought. I never found mine with 250bhp to be particularly unruly. If you mash the accelerator on a wet roundabout in 2nd gear then yes, it'll be daft, but that's surely what you'd expect.

[anonymous-user]

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1099555

Lovely looking W124 230 saloon in black at £3,400 with 37K miles, no way it'll sell that low surely.

What are those seats? They look fantastic.

[Krikkit]

LeighW said:

In other news, my Jag had a slight mental fit on Friday. I was taking my folks up to the lakes for the weekend, pootling along a dual carriageway, eveything fine until I slowed down approaching a roundabout when there was a noise akin to a lorry's air brake hiss from below the centre console, and I noticed the revs were briefly up to around 5k! I drove off slowly, and the revs were fluctuating slightly. I did notice that I'd left the 'box in sport, so switched that off and drove gently for the next mile or so, waiting for the inevitable warning lights/loss of drive, but then it settled down and was fine.

I had a stern word with it, and it's been fine all weekend since. I drove the 200 miles home yesterday without issue, but obviously something is amiss in gearbox land. Torque converter? Valve body? I had the fluid done when I bought it at 72k, now on 86k. A trip to my friendly Jag man is in order, no doubt followed by a chunky invoice!

That's unfortunate to hear. It'd be worth dropping it in for diagnostics and see if the TCU has logged anything.

I'd guess something valve body related. Would the engine/road speed match locking itself into 1st?

[LeighW]

Krikkit said:

I'd guess something valve body related. Would the engine/road speed match locking itself into 1st?

It was if it had changed down into too low a gear, and I think it would have been 1st as I was doing maybe 20mph at the time. Seemed fine after it had settled down though, no rough changes, selecting gears ok, I slowed down then gave it full throttle and kickdown works etc. Odd. I haven't tried sport mode since though.

Edited by LeighW on Monday 15th April 14:19

[minimoog]

phil_cardiff said:

Not if you can modulate a throttle I'd have thought.

Does rather pose the question of what's the point in bestowing a load of power if you have to soft-pedal it everywhere.

I test drove (3 times) and almost bought an Aero a few years back. It had been mapped up to 270-ish. Simple fact is flooring it on a straight road meant you needed a firm hand on the tiller lest it squirm and squirrel off line. Still great fun though

[XMified]

minimoog said:

Does rather pose the question of what's the point in bestowing a load of power if you have to soft-pedal it everywhere.

I test drove (3 times) and almost bought an Aero a few years back. It had been mapped up to 270-ish. Simple fact is flooring it on a straight road meant you needed a firm hand on the tiller lest it squirm and squirrel off line. Still great fun though

You don't really

A little half-throttle to get going from a rolling start, then gradually (but not too slowly) push down to WOT- best way to pick up speed in a turboed Saab (depends on mapping obviously).


You said you almost bought but didn't, was it the torque steer that put you off?

[XMified]

LeighW said:

In other news, my Jag had a slight mental fit on Friday. I was taking my folks up to the lakes for the weekend, pootling along a dual carriageway, eveything fine until I slowed down approaching a roundabout when there was a noise akin to a lorry's air brake hiss from below the centre console, and I noticed the revs were briefly up to around 5k! I drove off slowly, and the revs were fluctuating slightly. I did notice that I'd left the 'box in sport, so switched that off and drove gently for the next mile or so, waiting for the inevitable warning lights/loss of drive, but then it settled down and was fine.

I had a stern word with it, and it's been fine all weekend since. I drove the 200 miles home yesterday without issue, but obviously something is amiss in gearbox land. Torque converter? Valve body? I had the fluid done when I bought it at 72k, now on 86k. A trip to my friendly Jag man is in order, no doubt followed by a chunky invoice!

Gah, annoying. Hope it doesn't prove too costly.


I have just had what was a less expensive but still frustrating mishap of my own.

Having just lovingly treated the CL to a drivetrain and suspension fluids replacement on Friday (ABC system flush/filter/rodeo, gearbox fluids and filter, new diff fluid), it then thanked me by seemingly borking its Command unit on a 200 mile trip immediately afterwards.


I may have jinxed things by mentioning to my wife that it might have to go, while driving the car on said trip.

[minimoog]

XMified said:

You said you almost bought but didn't, was it the torque steer that put you off?

No - the price! He wanted £3250. I offered 2.9K, which was plenty enough IMO when most were around 2K or less at the time, but he said no so I walked. Still half-regret it as it looked fantastic and only had 50K+ miles on. It was an auto though which I wasn't 100% sure about, I'd have risked it though if the price was right.

Looked the same as this - Fusion Blue is .

[derin100]

Lord.Vader said:

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1099555

Lovely looking W124 230 saloon in black at £3,400 with 37K miles, no way it'll sell that low surely.

What are those seats? They look fantastic.

It does look lovely and I can vouch for the comfort of that style of cloth seats. I had them in a light colour in a 230CE.

One thing I can't is that in the description in one part is says 37,000 miles yet lower down it says 72,000 miles ?

[minimoog]

derin100 said:

It does look lovely and I can vouch for the comfort of that style of cloth seats. I had them in a light colour in a 230CE.

One thing I can't is that in the description in one part is says 37,000 miles yet lower down it says 72,000 miles ?

MOT history shows 72K is correct.

Edit: They've put the text from two different ads in the same listing. The other listing being this rather less desirable thing

https://www.barons-auctions.com/view-lot/2942/for-...

Edited by minimoog on Monday 15th April 17:24

[GTI16V]

E32 735i with a Spanish conversion and a load of spare parts for four bags
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1989-BMW-E32-735i-SE-Ma...

[derin100]

minimoog said:

derin100 said:

It does look lovely and I can vouch for the comfort of that style of cloth seats. I had them in a light colour in a 230CE.

One thing I can't is that in the description in one part is says 37,000 miles yet lower down it says 72,000 miles ?

MOT history shows 72K is correct.

Edit: They've put the text from two different ads in the same listing. The other listing being this rather less desirable thing

https://www.barons-auctions.com/view-lot/2942/for-...

Edited by minimoog on Monday 15th April 17:24

I'm that there will be the odd, hopeless automotive taste recidivists who will disagree with you as to the relative desirabilities. There always seems to be.

But, I shan't be amongst them!