What engine would make you consider buying a new GT86.

[kambites]

otolith said:

kambites said:

Probably true, but I think it will sell well here too.

I wonder how many Toyota actually want to sell in Europe? Too many would damage the industry leading fleet average CO2 figures that they have achieved.

I thought the CO2 figures in question were average across the models available, not average across the cars sold?

[dtrump]

bicycleshorts said:

This is the same with any car. My Scooby felt slow when 4 up and that had near enough 300bhp.

Also; I doubt 3 mates would fit in and even if they did, why aren't they in their cars, bloody scroungers?

true, true

Should be a 2 seater with 250bhp. This would have almost not complaints

[kambites]

nonuts said:

Can there not be a 300bhp NA option as I think that would be what I'd want. Close 2nd would be 300bhp SC I guess.

Almost certainly not at a remotely reasonable price.

[bicycleshorts]

kambites said:

nonuts said:

Can there not be a 300bhp NA option as I think that would be what I'd want. Close 2nd would be 300bhp SC I guess.

Almost certainly not at a remotely reasonable price.

Nor with the current emissions tests (or so I've been led to believe).

[the-photographer]

How about ones of these?

EZ

Instead of stretching their current EJ20 as most might suspect, in 2000 Subaru did this family from the ground up. It is a totally new DOHC design using dual timing chains and coil-on-plug ignition. Nothing from these engines are interchangeable with any other Subaru engine as in the past. The EZ36 was introduced in 2008 to help the Tribeca's sluggish performance. It is a bored and stroked version of the EZ30.

• EZ30: 2999.6cc DOHC, 212-250hp found in 2000+ Subaru Outback H6, Legacy 3.0R, and Subaru Tribeca

• EZ36: 3564.3cc DOHC, 256@6000rpm 247lb-ft@4400rpm found in the 2008 Subaru Tribeca

Engine specifications EZ30 Type: flat-6, aluminum block and heads

Bore x stroke: 3.51 x 3.15 in, 89.2 x 80.0 mm

Displacement: 183 cu in, 3000 cc

Compression ratio: 10.7:1

Fuel-delivery system: port injection

Valve gear: chain-driven double overhead cams, 4 valves per cylinder, hydraulic lifters, variable intake- and exhaust-valve timing and lift

Power (SAE net): 256 bhp (191 kW) @ 6000 rpm

Torque (SAE net): 247 lb·ft (335 N·m) @ 4400 rpm

Redline: 6500 rpm

Weight: 130kg (dry)

[otolith]

kambites said:

I thought the CO2 figures in question were average across the models available, not average across the cars sold?

No, it's for actual sales. Otherwise manufacturers would be offering to sell 300mpg carbon fibre contraptions for hundreds of thousands of pounds that nobody would ever buy.

[braddo]

dtrump said:

true, true

Should be a 2 seater with 250bhp. This would have almost not complaints

Go buy a S2000 or a Ginetta.

[kambites]

otolith said:

kambites said:

I thought the CO2 figures in question were average across the models available, not average across the cars sold?

No, it's for actual sales. Otherwise manufacturers would be offering to sell 300mpg carbon fibre contraptions for hundreds of thousands of pounds that nobody would ever buy.

Fair enough. I did always think it was a rather flawed system if it worked as I thought it did.

[kambites]

dtrump said:

Should be a 2 seater with 250bhp. This would have almost not complaints

It would have had complaints from me; the whole point of the car from my point of view is that it has four seats. There are plenty of 250bhp 2-seaters out there already, why do we need another one?

[otolith]

kambites said:

Fair enough. I did always think it was a rather flawed system if it worked as I thought it did.

Yep

The detail is under section 3 here:

http://ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/transport/vehic...

This is how they currently stand:

http://www.cleangreencars.co.uk/resources/co2_manu...

By the way, you will notice this little graph, the result of lobbying by the German car industry to be allowed higher CO2 limits for heavier cars. A kick in the teeth for the likes of Lotus and others seeking to improve their CO2 figures through weight saving:

[Marf]

Anyone else just catch the TV advert?

[kambites]

Hmm, yes that is a bit nonsensical isn't it? Interestingly it also gives manufacturers a reason to over-state their cars' weights.

[VinceFox]

Marf said:

Anyone else just catch the TV advert?

Yup, just watched it twice.

To my shame, i quite liked that.

[Steve vRS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLThzvsPCkI

Steve

[Caulkhead]

Marf said:

Anyone else just catch the TV advert?

I was amazed to see a car being driven enthusiastically on a TV advert - bit of oversteer even! Thought you weren't allowed.

[SWoll]

VinceFox said:

Marf said:

Anyone else just catch the TV advert?

Yup, just watched it twice.

To my shame, i quite liked that.

Really, I thought it was pants.

Can only assume they used the dreadful CGI because it allows them to get around some rules regarding "exuberant driving".

[StormLoaded]

[Marf]

So what is it about a high revving engine that makes DI difficult to implement?

[the-photographer]

Don't know about mainstream cars, but arent modern ferrari's and lambo's direct injection?

[StormLoaded]

dont know, dealerships have been sent a rather tasty (1 copy only!) book for the launch.. some nice info/pics in there.. was just having a read earlier, however this bit caught my attention..

Special Dealer Book said:

"Tada feels Toyota must ensure that the first GT86s sold move onto the used car market as quickly as possible, so that young people can buy second hand and customise them to their own tastes, as happened with the AE86

..

The sales launch of the GT86 is not the finish line. Indeed, it only represents the starting line for a new age of Toyota Sports cars.

..

Toyota plans to release an upgraded version of the GT86 every year, and this feedback will generate opportunities to refine the GT86 into an even better car, and create unique versions for different global markets "

interesting..