RE: PH Fleet: Porsche Panamera Diesel
Discussion
MC Bodge said:
In my experience, most '120mph autobahn cruises' are, unfortunately, periods of said speed in convoy, grabbed between the many roadworks and congestion spots.
I'd be surprised if it was a genuine 30mpg average at an average of 120mph.
All depends where in Germany, some parts too busy others bliss!I'd be surprised if it was a genuine 30mpg average at an average of 120mph.
toppstuff said:
You do realise that Aston is doomed ultimately, if they don't widen their range and do what Porsche have done?
Aston is the only remaining premium sporting car manufacturer that is trying to exist on selling 2 seaters and 2+2's.
Ferrari have Maserati as a sister co ( shortly to launch an SUV).
Jaguar have Land Rover.
The rest are VAG.
They're doomed I tell yee, doomed. Aston will probably be owned by TATA inside 5 years.
You're probably right about Aston but very wrong about Ferrari....they make plenty of money on their own and it's Maserati that struggles. They're both owned by Fiat anyway. Here's a boring fact for you.....Maserati's cost pretty much the same to make as Ferrari's. That came from Fiat's CFO.Aston is the only remaining premium sporting car manufacturer that is trying to exist on selling 2 seaters and 2+2's.
Ferrari have Maserati as a sister co ( shortly to launch an SUV).
Jaguar have Land Rover.
The rest are VAG.
They're doomed I tell yee, doomed. Aston will probably be owned by TATA inside 5 years.
The interesting one will be McLaren to see if they can stick at it on their own.
BenzM said:
The man has an iphone. He says it works in the Porsche but not in the Jag. Seems a fair enough point to make. Lots of people have iphones (I don't), they might find CH's experience useful.
Would the criticism be fair if (as it seems) Jag say the car should integrate with said iphone but can't make it do so?
I guess my point is that the one problem Chris picked up on with the Jag was that it wouldn't talk to his iPhone properly - it takes 2 things to communicate and it could just as easily be that the iPhone didn't talk to the Jag and was an Apple problem. Or a bluetooth problem which are very common. Would the criticism be fair if (as it seems) Jag say the car should integrate with said iphone but can't make it do so?
Don't have an iPhone or a new Jag so can't comment on what is said about compatibility.
andyps said:
I guess my point is that the one problem Chris picked up on with the Jag was that it wouldn't talk to his iPhone properly - it takes 2 things to communicate and it could just as easily be that the iPhone didn't talk to the Jag and was an Apple problem. Or a bluetooth problem which are very common.
Don't have an iPhone or a new Jag so can't comment on what is said about compatibility.
I jump into different cars with some frequency (albeit not as much as our journalists) and in a world where most cars are really pretty good indeed (certainly to this idiot with no pretence for any ability to assess a car or drive it even to 5 tenths) the thing which really gets on my nerves is when iThingy integration doesn't go well, or at all. It's the same with my Android phone too, and I'm afraid that it is a constant bugbear for me with JLR product. Don't have an iPhone or a new Jag so can't comment on what is said about compatibility.
andyps said:
BenzM said:
The man has an iphone. He says it works in the Porsche but not in the Jag. Seems a fair enough point to make. Lots of people have iphones (I don't), they might find CH's experience useful.
Would the criticism be fair if (as it seems) Jag say the car should integrate with said iphone but can't make it do so?
I guess my point is that the one problem Chris picked up on with the Jag was that it wouldn't talk to his iPhone properly - it takes 2 things to communicate and it could just as easily be that the iPhone didn't talk to the Jag and was an Apple problem. Or a bluetooth problem which are very common. Would the criticism be fair if (as it seems) Jag say the car should integrate with said iphone but can't make it do so?
However, that wasn't your point. You said it was the phone not the car and then chucked in some negativity about CH with the Nike/Porsche remark:
andyps said:
So the problem with the Jag was an iPhone which had nothing to do with Jaguar? Strange complaint. Maybe it will turn out there is a problem with Nike shoes which ruin the way the Porsche feels.
This thread demonstrates that there's plenty of dreary anti-CH cack clogging up the threads - the foil hat mob and trolls see to that. Duff nit-picking of his articles just adds more negativity.andyps said:
Don't have an iPhone or a new Jag so can't comment on what is said about compatibility.
Quite. Despite this, earlier in the day it was the phone that was the problem and it was wrong to criticise the car.As has been said by others, hats off to CH for an interesting article and joining in the debate.
Dave Hedgehog said:
lol
its an old duffers car, a well off old duffer
There'll certainly be few 20-somethings in a car so vast, yes. its an old duffers car, a well off old duffer
There are few youngsters in Porsches full stop I guess. You've got to be a keen youngster to afford the insurance and running costs.
I mean, check the ages out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_MxAKgPxUc
Edited by heebeegeetee on Tuesday 21st August 08:29
heebeegeetee said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
lol
its an old duffers car, a well off old duffer
There'll certainly be few 20-somethings in a car so vast, yes. its an old duffers car, a well off old duffer
There a few youngsters in Porsches full stop I guess. You've got to be a keen youngster to afford the insurance and running costs.
I mean, check the ages out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_MxAKgPxUc
at the lovely gulf porker and then he did a WATCH THIS and i was 
thats about as close to stuffing it as you can get and getting away with it
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