Oh, I never win anything normally...
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Ian, you’re completely missing the point, which is this:
RSoovy4 said:
I'm sure the cars are lovely, but I think the issue is emailing people pretending they've won something when they haven't, in an effort to entice them to spend money on a "prize" which isn't a "prize" at all.
Deception, basically.
Whether your fleet, instructors, and driving days are good isn’t the issue. Deceptive, immoral, aggressive marketing tactics are the issue. That and the fact that these poor tactics are being practiced under the name of Evo magazine, thus damaging their brand.Deception, basically.
poprock said:
Ian, you’re completely missing the point, which is this:
Exactly. If I was Metcalfe I'd be speak to my lawyers about this.RSoovy4 said:
I'm sure the cars are lovely, but I think the issue is emailing people pretending they've won something when they haven't, in an effort to entice them to spend money on a "prize" which isn't a "prize" at all.
Deception, basically.
Whether your fleet, instructors, and driving days are good isn’t the issue. Deceptive, immoral, aggressive marketing tactics are the issue. That and the fact that these poor tactics are being practiced under the name of Evo magazine, thus damaging their brand.Deception, basically.
"Crashley"
From that highly reputable source- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Ashley
"Ashley began racing in 1966 when he took a course at the Jim Russell Racing School. He was fast but rather erratic, and soon earned the nickname "Crashley".[2] He reached Formula 5000 in 1972 and was a front-runner in 1973, when he won the European Championship and finished third the following year. He made his debut in Formula One in 1974, and briefly drove for the Williams team the following year. His luck got worse over the mid-1970s in Formula One. He was to become a victim of two nasty accidents on circuits that were no longer used by Formula One soon after his two accidents. During 1975, at the German Grand Prix at the Nürburgring where during practice, he crashed severely at the tricky Pflanzgarten section and broke both his ankles, and during practice for the Canadian Grand Prix at Mosport Park in 1977, he went over a bump, flipped his Hesketh, vaulted the barrier and crashed into a television tower. He never raced in Formula One again."
Is that why there is a £199 insurance excess? lol
sly fox said:
"Crashley"
From that highly reputable source- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Ashley
"Ashley began racing in 1966 when he took a course at the Jim Russell Racing School. He was fast but rather erratic, and soon earned the nickname "Crashley".[2] He reached Formula 5000 in 1972 and was a front-runner in 1973, when he won the European Championship and finished third the following year. He made his debut in Formula One in 1974, and briefly drove for the Williams team the following year. His luck got worse over the mid-1970s in Formula One. He was to become a victim of two nasty accidents on circuits that were no longer used by Formula One soon after his two accidents. During 1975, at the German Grand Prix at the Nürburgring where during practice, he crashed severely at the tricky Pflanzgarten section and broke both his ankles, and during practice for the Canadian Grand Prix at Mosport Park in 1977, he went over a bump, flipped his Hesketh, vaulted the barrier and crashed into a television tower. He never raced in Formula One again."
Is that why there is a £199 insurance excess? lol
"It's ok, I'm insured. There's £200 in my wallet."From that highly reputable source- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Ashley
"Ashley began racing in 1966 when he took a course at the Jim Russell Racing School. He was fast but rather erratic, and soon earned the nickname "Crashley".[2] He reached Formula 5000 in 1972 and was a front-runner in 1973, when he won the European Championship and finished third the following year. He made his debut in Formula One in 1974, and briefly drove for the Williams team the following year. His luck got worse over the mid-1970s in Formula One. He was to become a victim of two nasty accidents on circuits that were no longer used by Formula One soon after his two accidents. During 1975, at the German Grand Prix at the Nürburgring where during practice, he crashed severely at the tricky Pflanzgarten section and broke both his ankles, and during practice for the Canadian Grand Prix at Mosport Park in 1977, he went over a bump, flipped his Hesketh, vaulted the barrier and crashed into a television tower. He never raced in Formula One again."
Is that why there is a £199 insurance excess? lol
Jesus I bet that hurt.
Ian, you're a better man than me, you've lived my dream and I haven't, and I am sure your tuition is brilliant, but surely you can see that you're working for people who ride rough shod over good manners and the law, and who clearly don't care too much about EVOs reputation.
Just not on. Sorry. P155 poor manners as far as I am concerned.
Edited by RSoovy4 on Friday 15th February 11:17
edo said:
Congratlations at completely missing the point.
At no point have I said that people havent used your services and enjoyed them.
The issue which you have chosen to ignore is:
Your (I assume you work for SCL) company DELIBERATELY tried to mislead people into thinking they had won something, when in fact you had sent the email to every person who entered.
The above is possibly in breach of UK competition rules, as well as data protection rules.
Your email failed to mention that the day would be shared with 2 other people.
Your email showed an E90 when in fact the day is in an E46.
It is not a "whole day", but "4-5 Hours".
When I called I was lied to again (after being congratulated before you knew my name) and told that only 20 people were runners up.
Finally a "prize" is not a prize if you are made to spend two hundred quid to take compulsory insurance and annual membership of your discount club.
If you had, as others have suggested, sent out an email saying "sorry you havent won, but we'd like to offer you a great opportunity for just £199", you may have gained a far more positive reaction.
So, how about answering these points and saying sorry to the people you spammed, rather than posting up irrelevant reviews of your service?
I'm just going to ask this again just in case Ian or the team missed it.At no point have I said that people havent used your services and enjoyed them.
The issue which you have chosen to ignore is:
Your (I assume you work for SCL) company DELIBERATELY tried to mislead people into thinking they had won something, when in fact you had sent the email to every person who entered.
The above is possibly in breach of UK competition rules, as well as data protection rules.
Your email failed to mention that the day would be shared with 2 other people.
Your email showed an E90 when in fact the day is in an E46.
It is not a "whole day", but "4-5 Hours".
When I called I was lied to again (after being congratulated before you knew my name) and told that only 20 people were runners up.
Finally a "prize" is not a prize if you are made to spend two hundred quid to take compulsory insurance and annual membership of your discount club.
If you had, as others have suggested, sent out an email saying "sorry you havent won, but we'd like to offer you a great opportunity for just £199", you may have gained a far more positive reaction.
So, how about answering these points and saying sorry to the people you spammed, rather than posting up irrelevant reviews of your service?
Edo you are certainly a trouble maker ! Because you have seen a different m3 in an old picture does that mean that's the one your driving ?
No one at Supercar is saying you will be driving for 4/5 hrs that would dangerous the day last 5 hrs 4 of which is tuition which comprises of driving observation and theory I can tell you no little to nothing about Motorsport or you would understand this
The 199 is insurance and passes for Mira which lasts for 12 mth this is mandatory at Mira for tuition /high speed training / wet grip surfaces but not for normal Supercar driving experiences
Supercar have apologised for the way the competition was run it wasn't ment to deceive anybody but to give people a chance to have race tuition at a leading venue by first class instructors
On this occasion Supercar got their marketing wrong and they apologised this doesn't make Supercar a bad company their staff work extremely hard to give people a good experience
But edo your like a dog with a bone Stirling things up even when the forum is quiet you keep having a go !
So in short ,,,, on this occasion Supercar got it wrong , in general there a good company with lots of happy customers .
So edo let's leave it at that ......
No one at Supercar is saying you will be driving for 4/5 hrs that would dangerous the day last 5 hrs 4 of which is tuition which comprises of driving observation and theory I can tell you no little to nothing about Motorsport or you would understand this
The 199 is insurance and passes for Mira which lasts for 12 mth this is mandatory at Mira for tuition /high speed training / wet grip surfaces but not for normal Supercar driving experiences
Supercar have apologised for the way the competition was run it wasn't ment to deceive anybody but to give people a chance to have race tuition at a leading venue by first class instructors
On this occasion Supercar got their marketing wrong and they apologised this doesn't make Supercar a bad company their staff work extremely hard to give people a good experience
But edo your like a dog with a bone Stirling things up even when the forum is quiet you keep having a go !
So in short ,,,, on this occasion Supercar got it wrong , in general there a good company with lots of happy customers .
So edo let's leave it at that ......
ianash said:
So in short ,,,, on this occasion Supercar got it wrong
Correct.Its taken days for somebody to admit this
I think its all people were looking for, and possibly an apology from them. Instead of blindly not accepting any wrong doing took place.
Btw, impressive racing history you have there!
ianash said:
I can tell you no little to nothing
The irony is strong with this one.Ian, fair play for apologising, but to be honest the whole thing was pretty shoddy. You're not dealing with mug punters, and the Law is there to stop this sort of thing.
The company needs to take a long look at how is does things and learn that the best way to generate business is to treat people properly and not as mug punters ready to be turned over. There is so far as I can see little difference between what was done here, and what was done by the scumbags who cold called my poor old Mum and told her she's won a "prize" of a holiday for her son and his wife, for which she had to pay an "administration charge" of £100 straight away.
The bloke who did this to her, by the way, is now bankrupt after "mysteriously" getting investgated by HMRC and the VAT man when I found out.
Be warned.
The end.
Edited by RSoovy4 on Friday 15th February 11:35
RSoovy4 said:
ianash said:
I can tell you no little to nothing about Motorsport or you would understand this
The irony is strong with this one.Jackie Stewart is borderline illiterate (through dyslexia). Hell, Mark Blundell can hardly string a spoken sentence together to the extent that SniffPetrol did a series of gags on it.
Neither of those guys are what I'd call bad driving instructors.
Am I alone in thinking that if these guys were real scam artists they wouldn't be sticking around on PH to argue their case?
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ianash said:
Edo you are certainly a trouble maker ! Because you have seen a different m3 in an old picture does that mean that's the one your driving ?
No one at Supercar is saying you will be driving for 4/5 hrs that would dangerous the day last 5 hrs 4 of which is tuition which comprises of driving observation and theory I can tell you no little to nothing about Motorsport or you would understand this
The 199 is insurance and passes for Mira which lasts for 12 mth this is mandatory at Mira for tuition /high speed training / wet grip surfaces but not for normal Supercar driving experiences
Supercar have apologised for the way the competition was run it wasn't ment to deceive anybody but to give people a chance to have race tuition at a leading venue by first class instructors
On this occasion Supercar got their marketing wrong and they apologised this doesn't make Supercar a bad company their staff work extremely hard to give people a good experience
But edo your like a dog with a bone Stirling things up even when the forum is quiet you keep having a go !
So in short ,,,, on this occasion Supercar got it wrong , in general there a good company with lots of happy customers .
So edo let's leave it at that ......
Thanks for the apology. Appreciated. This is the first apology from anyone from SCL for clarity - unless I missed it elsewhere in the thread?No one at Supercar is saying you will be driving for 4/5 hrs that would dangerous the day last 5 hrs 4 of which is tuition which comprises of driving observation and theory I can tell you no little to nothing about Motorsport or you would understand this
The 199 is insurance and passes for Mira which lasts for 12 mth this is mandatory at Mira for tuition /high speed training / wet grip surfaces but not for normal Supercar driving experiences
Supercar have apologised for the way the competition was run it wasn't ment to deceive anybody but to give people a chance to have race tuition at a leading venue by first class instructors
On this occasion Supercar got their marketing wrong and they apologised this doesn't make Supercar a bad company their staff work extremely hard to give people a good experience
But edo your like a dog with a bone Stirling things up even when the forum is quiet you keep having a go !
So in short ,,,, on this occasion Supercar got it wrong , in general there a good company with lots of happy customers .
So edo let's leave it at that ......
Good afternoon everybody,
As a Director of Supercar Lifestyle I though it only right to register on here and pass comment.
First of all I would like to apologise to anyone that feels mislead or deceived regarding this competition that was ran with Evo.
All entrants received a runners up gift of a days tuition at MIRA (Motor Industry Research Association)on the proviso that the client paid for their own liability insurance and passes. In hindsight this was an error as it as been misconstrued as a prize you then had to pay for. MIRA as strict regulations and policies for anyone having high speed training/driving of any kind as to be insured, registered and licensed by MIRA and this bares a cost.
All we were simply trying to do is offer race tuition which we paid for, on the understanding that the client covered the cost of the insurance. There was no intention of depict, scam or otherwise.
I hope this goes some way to restoring faith back into Supercar Lifestyle and Evo Magazine.
Kind Regards
Matthew Wilkins
As a Director of Supercar Lifestyle I though it only right to register on here and pass comment.
First of all I would like to apologise to anyone that feels mislead or deceived regarding this competition that was ran with Evo.
All entrants received a runners up gift of a days tuition at MIRA (Motor Industry Research Association)on the proviso that the client paid for their own liability insurance and passes. In hindsight this was an error as it as been misconstrued as a prize you then had to pay for. MIRA as strict regulations and policies for anyone having high speed training/driving of any kind as to be insured, registered and licensed by MIRA and this bares a cost.
All we were simply trying to do is offer race tuition which we paid for, on the understanding that the client covered the cost of the insurance. There was no intention of depict, scam or otherwise.
I hope this goes some way to restoring faith back into Supercar Lifestyle and Evo Magazine.
Kind Regards
Matthew Wilkins
It's easy to apologise after being caught out. The damage to SCL has been done. Firms like SCL rely on people who see these days as 'dream days' and for whom a couple if hundred quid is lots of money. Spamming EVO readers who aren't know for being thick and who have a much higher probability of owning cars of the sort you use is one of the most amazingly bizarre business decisions I've seen!
Supercar SCL said:
As a Director of Supercar Lifestyle I though it only right to register on here and pass comment....
MatthewI've trimmed your comment a little as while the apology is welcomed, we'd rather you announced details to the Evo winners through the email database you obviously have. Direct contact would be best to avoid this becoming the public platform for the matter.
I've also taken away the image and some other info as we don't allow promotions on the forums.
Appreciate the clarification however, thank you for that.
drakart said:
It's easy to apologise after being caught out. The damage to SCL has been done. Firms like SCL rely on people who see these days as 'dream days' and for whom a couple if hundred quid is lots of money. Spamming EVO readers who aren't know for being thick and who have a much higher probability of owning cars of the sort you use is one of the most amazingly bizarre business decisions I've seen!
And then asking them to pay £199 for insurance offered on other, no 'prize winner' days for £30. Is this insurance the same or is something else included?Ultimately, and I only speak for myself here, I won't be taking advantage of this wonderful prize. Shame, as its the first time I've won anything in as long as I can remember.
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