RE: Alfa Romeo 4C - first official pictures

[Grovsie26]

otolith said:

There is already loads of choice of heavy, powerful sportscars in the 30-40k area. Just buy a Z4 or a TT or a Boxster or an SLK or a 370Z instead.

The collaboration with Mazda is going to be more that sort of affordable roadster thing.

Im talking slashing 10k off the price and do without the fancy lightweight tub and all that. I doubt without this fancy tub or w.e it is the weight would balloon to Z4ish weights of 1400-1500kg or w/e it is. A 370z is also much heavier and a SLK. A TT isn't a sports car, and nothing like this lol.

Hope it does well. To be fair Lotus have done alright selling there cars with toyota lumps which were hardly a quality choice, but then they do handle and ride and steer better than pretty much anything, and there usually not near 50k hehe.

[Vee12V]

Rumor is €50.000 (roughly £43.000), not £50.000.

[kambites]

Vee12V said:

Rumor is €50.000 (roughly £43.000), not £50.000.

43k would be significantly more palatable.

[CocoUK]

marcosgt said:

Thoughts?

a) It looks like a render.
b) It looks exactly like a render of the car they showed at Goodwood in 2011

My thoughts exactly.
Although the numbers do little for me I look forward to seeing some proper pictures of it.

[nickfrog]

Vee12V said:

Rumor is €50.000 (roughly £43.000), not £50.000.

I was thinking that all along actually. I wouldn't be surprised if it was €50K inc. tax and hopefully Alfa will realise it will need to translate to £40K somehow.
Not sure if a CF tub costs that much more than aluminium. If you don't have the aluminium technology nor the tools then I suppose the investment would be massive anyway so you might as well get someone to do it for you out of CF in Italy for instance. Actually the low volume may lend itself better to CF than alu from a cost POV. CF is not exactly new nor cutting edge, it's been around for 25 years I guess and judging by the tumbling price of CF bicycle frames over the past 10 years, I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't make alu obsolete pretty soon. at least for low production numbers.

[otolith]

I think we're going to see an awful lot more CF in mainstream cars soon. BMW are looking to launch a mass market 30k-ish car with a carbon fibre passenger cell later this year.

[deltashad]

When I made an enquiry about the price, the salesman was under the impression it would be nearer the .. £50 k mark. Kind of put me off. Trying to explain to the misses I'd just got us into 4 years finance for a new lotus elise with an alfa badge would have been painful.

But nice light sports cars should be the way forward. Cheap ones too. Everything has gone fat in the last 39 years. We as a nation are obsessed with bigger is better.

[10 Pence Short]

£50k? Not in the UK. They'll sell 8 of 'em.

[TNH]

RacingBlue said:

Still looks like an Auto Express rendering to me...

This.

[whythem]

Assuming the price point for the 4C will rival the Cayman, while assuming further that the Cayman will be better built, engineered and handle better. I think the 4C has a good chance as a Cayman rival, as I think the looks have a £10k value, over those of the Cayman.

Does that make sense?

[Jellymonster]

Rawwr said:

A3tdi said:

How they 'may' perceive it.

Do you understand what an opinion is?

Also, do you work for Alfa?

I understand what opinion is but you seemingly do not. You didn't say may perceive it, you said will, as I quoted.

I do not work for Alfa, I just despise morons.

[Alfahorn]

DJRC said:

Alfahorn said:

DJRC said:

kambites said:

DJRC said:

Dear Alfa...the £50k Exige? ITS GOT 350 fkING PONIES YOU BRAINDEAD HALFWITS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im livid Kam. They have fked it again.

How can you make 2 of the most traffic stopping, attention grabbing cars of the last 10 yrs and fk them both up?

How??????

You know as much about the 4C as the rest of us. I.E fk all, because all we've got are a couple of pics and some speculation about the available power.

So, how the fk can you come on here slagging Alfa off and saying they've fked up when you know fk all about it?

Because I know a lot more about the 4C than most and have done since Geneva 2011, just as I know/knew a lot more about the 8C. I have done for a long time and regularly reported what Ive known/been told by Alfa. My 8C experiences, optimism and pessimism about both the 8C and 4C are all on PH, inc. the conversations Ive had with Alfa's Chef de Mission at Geneva and chaps like DD in the UK. My cheque was the first UK cheque Alfa was offered (turned down flat on the stand in '11). Im terribly sorry if you want some kind of pissing contest about *knowledge* or some such I dont. I just want a car. In both instances Alfa have not delivered to the open goal presented. £50k, 240PS and little practicality isnt going to cut it against the alternatives, which in this case are the Cayman and the Exige Roadster, against the Exige especially because that has the looks to match the Alfa. I buy British and Italian GTs and sportcars, they are pretty much what I live for. There is no argument the 4C has against the Exige. None. It is marginally better looking in the flesh, but only marginally against the Exige roadster (the coupe track thing doesnt count, the Roadster is the road car). The Exige has a superbly practical boot, this doesnt...and yes I do know it doesnt have a superb boot. The Lotus will ride and handle better than the 4C and frankly they will be just as rare anyway. To compete against this the car needed 280PS out of the box. Or it needs to be £10k lower, but right now its writing cheques its specs cant cash.

Its doing a Lotus when Lotus have already spent a lifetime demonstrating it doesnt work.

Bottom line...at £50k you arent fking about. Alfa have produced a compromise product but at top dollar money. The 8C was aswell, but that better looking than anything else going and was extremely rare. This is neither.

Im not a Cayman lover, I have no interest in it. This was and for last 2 yrs always has been a straight for my cash between the Exige Roadster and the 4C and trust me, its been bloody depressing watching both try to cock up.

I don't want some sort of contest on Alfa knowledge, however it would appear contrary to your comments you do. Don't try and give it the Bertie Big bks to me, you have absolutelly know idea about the extent of my knowledge and experience with Alfa so trying to be the big man with me will not work.

Until you get the opportunity to test the product how the hell can you give a judgement on it? It's blatantly ridiculously. I'm equally certain DD (as you refer to him, although to be fair he does use his initials when signing off some of his E-mails in my experience) has not confided details of the products as you seem to suggest.

Why on earth anyone would want a car like the 4C to be practical is beyond me.

[Mermaid]

Alfahorn said:

you have absolutelly know idea about the extent of my knowledge and experience with Alfa so trying to be the big man with me will not work.

Until you get the opportunity to test the product how the hell can you give a judgement on it?

Have you driven the car yet, or do you know anyone who has? This car could turn out to be a game changer.

[Alfahorn]

Mermaid said:

Alfahorn said:

you have absolutelly know idea about the extent of my knowledge and experience with Alfa so trying to be the big man with me will not work.

Until you get the opportunity to test the product how the hell can you give a judgement on it?

Have you driven the car yet, or do you know anyone who has? This car could turn out to be a game changer.

No, I've not driven it. I look forward to it though later this year or more likely the beginning of next year.

[edinph]

I feel Alfa No8 coming soon! Wooo Hooo!

[arguti]

It is lovely but as a die hard Alfa nut I have to agree with DJRC in that they have have had an open goal for over two years since concept and should have produced a game changer not faffed about...... Mind, I still prefer the original Diva concept......

http://www.autoblog.it/post/3581/alfa-diva-alfa-da...

[pikey]

Stunning!

[Killer2005]

I really need to be working on a promotion or two at work, then I can have myself one

[Alfahorn]

arguti said:

It is lovely but as a die hard Alfa nut I have to agree with DJRC in that they have have had an open goal for over two years since concept and should have produced a game changer not faffed about...... Mind, I still prefer the original Diva concept......

http://www.autoblog.it/post/3581/alfa-diva-alfa-da...

A game changer in what respect?

I find it amazing people are so quick to judge a product when so little information is known.

[Cyrus1971]

Looks great but £ 50K ?!?!?!?!

I REALLY think so many car companies need to get a grip on their pricing. What is being asked for cars is 25% off what they should be. £ 50K for a 240 Bhp engine in 1000 KG - sure I can get that elsewhere + more besides from Porsche, Lotus, ...