RE: BMW M3 farewell diary
Discussion
A point I would make on the so called lack of torque is this, (although as mentioned previously 295 ft/lbs is hardly a small amount). The car has more than enough for daily driving and not having to change gear all the time and picks up nicely. It does mean however, that if you really want to make progress you have to use all the revs to get at the power at the top end. And as a result you get the incredible noise and the whole process feels so rewarding.
I considered its biggest and best rival the C63 at great length before making the decision, and that is truly a great car as well,however it's gearbox shortcomings aside, it was the fact that it had huge amounts of torque and you rarely needed to change gear that actually put me off. Of course the 6.2 is another great engine, but somehow I just didn't feel as involved and excited by the way it delivered its power.
For me it was sure proof that bigger power and torque figures don't always deliver the best result. I think ultimately it's the difference between the torque and HP figures on the M3 that make the engine such a masterpiece.
All in my opinion of course, but this was the thought process and the way I reasoned my decision when purchasing.
I considered its biggest and best rival the C63 at great length before making the decision, and that is truly a great car as well,however it's gearbox shortcomings aside, it was the fact that it had huge amounts of torque and you rarely needed to change gear that actually put me off. Of course the 6.2 is another great engine, but somehow I just didn't feel as involved and excited by the way it delivered its power.
For me it was sure proof that bigger power and torque figures don't always deliver the best result. I think ultimately it's the difference between the torque and HP figures on the M3 that make the engine such a masterpiece.
All in my opinion of course, but this was the thought process and the way I reasoned my decision when purchasing.
djtex said:
A point I would make on the so called lack of torque is this, (although as mentioned previously 295 ft/lbs is hardly a small amount). The car has more than enough for daily driving and not having to change gear all the time and picks up nicely. It does mean however, that if you really want to make progress you have to use all the revs to get at the power at the top end. And as a result you get the incredible noise and the whole process feels so rewarding.
I considered its biggest and best rival the C63 at great length before making the decision, and that is truly a great car as well,however it's gearbox shortcomings aside, it was the fact that it had huge amounts of torque and you rarely needed to change gear that actually put me off. Of course the 6.2 is another great engine, but somehow I just didn't feel as involved and excited by the way it delivered its power.
For me it was sure proof that bigger power and torque figures don't always deliver the best result. I think ultimately it's the difference between the torque and HP figures on the M3 that make the engine such a masterpiece.
All in my opinion of course, but this was the thought process and the way I reasoned my decision when purchasing.
I think the DCT helps it feel peppy pretty much all of the time but with the manual you do get occasions when you are in a certain gear & you plant your foot & not much happens, the engine is a masterpiece without a shadow of a doubt but I know the C63 would have been a better proposition for me personally as a daily driver.I considered its biggest and best rival the C63 at great length before making the decision, and that is truly a great car as well,however it's gearbox shortcomings aside, it was the fact that it had huge amounts of torque and you rarely needed to change gear that actually put me off. Of course the 6.2 is another great engine, but somehow I just didn't feel as involved and excited by the way it delivered its power.
For me it was sure proof that bigger power and torque figures don't always deliver the best result. I think ultimately it's the difference between the torque and HP figures on the M3 that make the engine such a masterpiece.
All in my opinion of course, but this was the thought process and the way I reasoned my decision when purchasing.
I have realised since owning one that for the odd occasion you get to enjoy 6k to 8400k rpm on the road I would appreciate that 6.2 AMG engine for more of the time & for me it sounds better anyway but that's obviously subjective.
Both are exciting & thrilling motors & you pick which one suits you better & I picked the wrong one though for what characteristics I like from a car, the M3 is a sharp tool & I seem to prefer a blunt instrument hence the C63 would have been better for me.
Wills2 said:
Range whilst enjoying the car is around 250-300 on a mixed run, whilst sat at 70 getting frustrated you can nudge 375-400 miles in the DCT.
I think this is similar to what I used to get, It did once say on the computer on one brimmed tank that I had 378 miles on the range which I was impressed with but the temptation to stretch its legs is strong & they never deliver that type of range in reality I found. 300 miles per tank was very good but rarely happened. I averaged 18mpg over 55 thousand miles but that did include lots of Autobahn driving and countless laps of the 'ring.
To answer the fluid question. If you change the fluid for SFR then change the pads. The BMW performance ones were very loud initially but after a day of track work quietened down a lot.
If you are only doing a couple of trackdays per year then it's up to you if you can put up with the squealing then go for it.
To answer the fluid question. If you change the fluid for SFR then change the pads. The BMW performance ones were very loud initially but after a day of track work quietened down a lot.
If you are only doing a couple of trackdays per year then it's up to you if you can put up with the squealing then go for it.
arkenphel said:
It's amazing that no one has mentioned the throttle actuator problem yet. It's a major weakness of the V8, amazing though it is.
You do read a few stories on M3Cutters about the throttle actuator`s failing but it doesn't worry many owners though as they just get them sorted under warranty, it might be an issue in a few years time though I suppose when all the cars are out of warranty.Other than that issue I believe the engine is as solid as a rock.
mlhj83 said:
Enjoying mine every bit:
Bedford
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESkHt_UpAjE
Blyton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG1KRLU3Rxg
Silverstone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm_rp6MHNj4
Alpine Adventure:
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8941...
Norway:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150440...
Isle of Man:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/76338312@N06/sets/721...
Wales:
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74...
Just finished reading the thread on the "Alpine Adventure". Absolutely awesome! That's my summer holiday planned! Trying to convince myself that my E92 330i would be as much fun on the same trip, but I think I might have to start scouring the classifieds for an M3...Bedford
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESkHt_UpAjE
Blyton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG1KRLU3Rxg
Silverstone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm_rp6MHNj4
Alpine Adventure:
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8941...
Norway:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150440...
Isle of Man:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/76338312@N06/sets/721...
Wales:
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74...
Edited by mlhj83 on Tuesday 28th January 18:11
cerb4.5lee said:
Wills2 said:
Range whilst enjoying the car is around 250-300 on a mixed run, whilst sat at 70 getting frustrated you can nudge 375-400 miles in the DCT.
I think this is similar to what I used to get, It did once say on the computer on one brimmed tank that I had 378 miles on the range which I was impressed with but the temptation to stretch its legs is strong & they never deliver that type of range in reality I found. With regard to colours, I love mineral white, although it seems similar to alpine in reality it just exudes star quality when well lit and clean. Having said that, had there been the option to spec Santorini Blue with the Competition Pack and keep the Comp Pack wheels silver, I'd have been all over it like a rash 
AUTOLOADER said:
F1GTRUeno said:
Shame about the colour of both car and wheels. Awful choice.
Always liked the look and sound of this M3 though it's not a patch on the E46.
Not a patch on E46? Your a school boy error i think..Always liked the look and sound of this M3 though it's not a patch on the E46.
Foolish comment boy
The difference between sub-6k and above is night and day. I thought it lacked a bit of torque, but you look down and you are actually making significant progress. Above 6k and its nuts. I saw mine as effectively having twp Honda Vtec's welded together.
I bought a 2011 Melbourne red e90 M3. I owned it for a year and loved every minute. Bought it after Sytner didn't seem too interested in a thing called 'sales' when I enquired about another Alpina D3. Their loss.
Kinda regret selling it and no doubt ill have another after hearing the disappointing i6T M4 engine.
I bought a 2011 Melbourne red e90 M3. I owned it for a year and loved every minute. Bought it after Sytner didn't seem too interested in a thing called 'sales' when I enquired about another Alpina D3. Their loss.
Kinda regret selling it and no doubt ill have another after hearing the disappointing i6T M4 engine.
cerb4.5lee said:
You do read a few stories on M3Cutters about the throttle actuator`s failing but it doesn't worry many owners though as they just get them sorted under warranty, it might be an issue in a few years time though I suppose when all the cars are out of warranty.
Other than that issue I believe the engine is as solid as a rock.
Solid as a rock is true. The throttle actuator thing happened to me. Twice. Other than that issue I believe the engine is as solid as a rock.
BMW do not recognise it as a problem, unfortunately.
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