Why is lorry overtaking not banned?
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swisstoni said:
It's these ridiculous time penalties that are imposed on vehicle drivers that distort what happens out on the roads.
This was what came to mind when I read the 4 minutes / 40 minutes time difference post above. Four minutes late could see a supermarket rejecting a whole 40ft trailer full of perishable good, at the haulier's expense.I also believe that there has been a marked drop in driving standards due to the MASSIVE influx of foreign drivers from the new EU states.
T0MMY said:
Yes, I was getting the impression from this thread that lorry drivers seem to have quite an inflated sense of self importance. Dismissing all car drivers as pointless pen pushing middle managers who can't possibly have anything more important to do than them 
0.5mph up a hill will gain you over a minute alone.Edited by T0MMY on Sunday 18th January 10:31
g3org3y said:
NorfolkInClue1 said:
Sorry if I have been a bit harsh, you seem a little sensitive to your own needs so maybe you should ask your mum for a cuddle to make things better, life can be really tough in the fast lane. Just do me a favour though, remind your mum I left her a tenner under the microwave, I owe for last week too.............
I'm embarrassed on your behalf.Jonny_ said:
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t driving is st driving, whether you're in an Aygo or a Scania.
t driving is st driving, whether you're in an Aygo or a Scania. 
My comments were not fueled by anger at all, just suprised that someone has openly posted on here that they believe other road users should stay out of their way for up to 10 miles just so they can have the road to themselves, I think that is quite shocking, but sadly the route cause of most of these kinds of debates....selfishness bordering on arrogance that you hope doesn't translate into driving style.
As my learned target appears to be a service engineer (just guessing form his response to me? Hope I am right, apologies if not ) then he's possibly up there in the high milers along with us truckers, therefore I was asking why he doesn't just calm down behind the wheel, maybe find a different route etc as the problem that is pissing him off will not be going away anytime soon. I did actually post that I agreed, their should be a peak time ban applied to certain routes.
For the posters with the Maths equations regarding losing 40 minutes over 200 miles, not sure how that is relevant unless you are still behind the truck after 200 miles, also might I suggest you keep your eyes on the road as I am not sure where the law stands on using a hand held calculating device whilst driving. Oh and please don't use 70mph as a marker, yes it's the law, no it isn't relevant in modern day driving. More and more cars seem to be driving at speeds lower to this, from my experience based on lane 2 becoming busier and busier, so your sums don't really have any value.
For the comments on HGV drivers being dismissive, well maybe a bit, but only due to various car drivers being equally dismissive on the points raised regarding the limits we have imposed. If you read my previous posts on here and other similar topics you will see that I too am embarrassed by the antics of my co workers, there are some utter cretins behind the wheel, trouble is that they are like that all the time, why should I be restricted in my work due to the actions of a minority of bell ends.
Want to talk selfish and ignorant behind the wheel, well why don't we enforce a ban all car drivers from parking in the middle of an empty lay by instead of the end so I can park up for my legally enforced break? There are many things from both sides of the coin, sadly this ban idea is just ridiculous, too many variables, no chance of proper enforcement ( remember the lane hogging announcement?? ) and the possibility of more road rage as the self important militant car drivers tries to enforce it them selves?
Again as I have said before, a bell end in a car is a pest for moments and is gone, a bell end in a truck is there for ages, carries a high possibility of death for you and therefore is remembered, try to keep it balanced and just calm down.
Looking forward to a few more pages of " I was held up for what seemed like 5 minutes" versus " I've only got 9 hours or I will be shot at the wheel for not making it back to the yard".
My only real disappointment so far is the we haven't had some appalling apologistic cretin turn up and comment on how we truck drivers might be holding up someone on the way to a vital hospital appointment, maybe saving a class full of children form a burning building or rescuing a disabled dolphin from certain death or various other one in a million chances that make the point that all us HGV drivers the selfish scum that we are.................
Enjoy your Sunday everyone,relax and enjoy the family because tommorow is back to work and you know what that means, back on the road.........................muhahahahahaha!!
NorfolkInClue1 said:
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My comments were not fueled by anger at all, just suprised that someone has openly posted on here that they believe other road users should stay out of their way for up to 10 miles just so they can have the road to themselves, I think that is quite shocking, but sadly the route cause of most of these kinds of debates....selfishness bordering on arrogance that you hope doesn't translate into driving style.
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This is Pistonheads, self absorbed boderline sociopathic behaviour is moe than tolerated among many posters in fact it's treated as normal by many rather than pathological , ditto with being a 'kipper / tea party type etc ... My comments were not fueled by anger at all, just suprised that someone has openly posted on here that they believe other road users should stay out of their way for up to 10 miles just so they can have the road to themselves, I think that is quite shocking, but sadly the route cause of most of these kinds of debates....selfishness bordering on arrogance that you hope doesn't translate into driving style.
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it's not surprising that elsewhere on teh interwebz PH is known as 'penisheads' ...
ZX10R NIN said:
T0MMY said:
Yes, I was getting the impression from this thread that lorry drivers seem to have quite an inflated sense of self importance. Dismissing all car drivers as pointless pen pushing middle managers who can't possibly have anything more important to do than them
0.5mph up a hill will gain you over a minute alone.Edited by T0MMY on Sunday 18th January 10:31
What's visible on this thread is two self interested groups inexplicably failing to empathise with the needs of the other.
Of course trucks overtaking one another shouldn't be banned, it'd be counter productive. However, there are stretches of road where HGVs overtaking do contribute to congestion and its been a good idea to at least test restrictions on short stretches (typically uphill stretches of 2 lane dual carriageways).
Does anyone here have any links to or copies of reports done on the A42/A14 trials?
Of course trucks overtaking one another shouldn't be banned, it'd be counter productive. However, there are stretches of road where HGVs overtaking do contribute to congestion and its been a good idea to at least test restrictions on short stretches (typically uphill stretches of 2 lane dual carriageways).
Does anyone here have any links to or copies of reports done on the A42/A14 trials?
allergictocheese said:
What's visible on this thread is two self interested groups inexplicably failing to empathise with the needs of the other.
Of course trucks overtaking one another shouldn't be banned, it'd be counter productive. However, there are stretches of road where HGVs overtaking do contribute to congestion and its been a good idea to at least test restrictions on short stretches (typically uphill stretches of 2 lane dual carriageways).
Does anyone here have any links to or copies of reports done on the A42/A14 trials?
I sort-of agree. However: in all likelihood all HGV drivers will also be car drivers, whereas the car drivers have little understanding as to what HGV driving involves (especially the practical aspect).Of course trucks overtaking one another shouldn't be banned, it'd be counter productive. However, there are stretches of road where HGVs overtaking do contribute to congestion and its been a good idea to at least test restrictions on short stretches (typically uphill stretches of 2 lane dual carriageways).
Does anyone here have any links to or copies of reports done on the A42/A14 trials?
This is demonstrated by the ridiculous behaviour witnessed by most HGV drivers on a daily basis.
There are some complete
s driving HGVs unfortunately, but they are massively outnumbered by the s driving cars and vans! A small percentage of HGV drivers and a tiny percentage of all drivers on the road.I do see some poor driving/behaviour on occasion, but I don't ever have issues, because, as I see it, I understand what is happening - and herein lies the difference between me and the whiners.
blueg33 said:
Absurd maths
Not absurd a 380bhp truck pulling 44tons doing 0.5mph less than a 730bhp pulling 44tons at the bottom of a steep incline that carries on for a mile or two the 380bhp will be down to 50mph or below vs the 730bhp which will still be pulling 56mph.Proven on many occasions last year when even a short journey (110 miles) to Silverstone from Brands Hatch resulted in a 20-30 minute time difference between two trucks pulling the same weight.
So far from being absurd it's a fact also there are so many differences between trucks: Horsepower load weight etc even some firms who limit their trucks to 50mph.
How long has the ban on HGV overtaking on the autobahn been in place? IIRC is it only during the day. How does anyone cope other there, I presume nothing ever gets delivered.
When some supermarkets decided to limit their HGV's to 50mph I presume the fuel savings outweighed the cost of slower deliveries and the need for slightly more driving hours in total. Drivers get shorter journeys for the same money as before, how is that a bad thing?
When some supermarkets decided to limit their HGV's to 50mph I presume the fuel savings outweighed the cost of slower deliveries and the need for slightly more driving hours in total. Drivers get shorter journeys for the same money as before, how is that a bad thing?
Strawman said:
How long has the ban on HGV overtaking on the autobahn been in place? IIRC is it only during the day. How does anyone cope other there, I presume nothing ever gets delivered.
When some supermarkets decided to limit their HGV's to 50mph I presume the fuel savings outweighed the cost of slower deliveries and the need for slightly more driving hours in total. Drivers get shorter journeys for the same money as before, how is that a bad thing?
Germany has a different road system to the UK and I think that the traffic is compacted onto less in the UK. Having driven over there in a vehicle that had to adhere to the limit and no overtake, it would not take well over here. Give it a month and the usual suspects will be complaining about single lane motorways.When some supermarkets decided to limit their HGV's to 50mph I presume the fuel savings outweighed the cost of slower deliveries and the need for slightly more driving hours in total. Drivers get shorter journeys for the same money as before, how is that a bad thing?
Over here all you have to do is for car drivers to take the chip off their shoulders and get on with life.
GC8 said:
allergictocheese said:
What's visible on this thread is two self interested groups inexplicably failing to empathise with the needs of the other.
Of course trucks overtaking one another shouldn't be banned, it'd be counter productive. However, there are stretches of road where HGVs overtaking do contribute to congestion and its been a good idea to at least test restrictions on short stretches (typically uphill stretches of 2 lane dual carriageways).
Does anyone here have any links to or copies of reports done on the A42/A14 trials?
I sort-of agree. However: in all likelihood all HGV drivers will also be car drivers, whereas the car drivers have little understanding as to what HGV driving involves (especially the practical aspect).Of course trucks overtaking one another shouldn't be banned, it'd be counter productive. However, there are stretches of road where HGVs overtaking do contribute to congestion and its been a good idea to at least test restrictions on short stretches (typically uphill stretches of 2 lane dual carriageways).
Does anyone here have any links to or copies of reports done on the A42/A14 trials?
This is demonstrated by the ridiculous behaviour witnessed by most HGV drivers on a daily basis.
There are some complete
s driving HGVs unfortunately, but they are massively outnumbered by the s driving cars and vans! A small percentage of HGV drivers and a tiny percentage of all drivers on the road.I do see some poor driving/behaviour on occasion, but I don't ever have issues, because, as I see it, I understand what is happening - and herein lies the difference between me and the whiners.
I drive a little white van, and the selfish, ignorant, unobservant driving I see around me usually comes from other van/car drivers.
I can understand why lorry drivers get frustrated by these muppets and occasionally act like cocks too.
Strawman said:
How long has the ban on HGV overtaking on the autobahn been in place? IIRC is it only during the day. How does anyone cope other there, I presume nothing ever gets delivered.
When some supermarkets decided to limit their HGV's to 50mph I presume the fuel savings outweighed the cost of slower deliveries and the need for slightly more driving hours in total. Drivers get shorter journeys for the same money as before, how is that a bad thing?
Supermarkets done it for two reasons the change in driving hours & fuel, supermarkets are same day delivery, most drivers are 2-4 day deliveries hence the reason Supermarket Trucks don't have sleeper cabs.When some supermarkets decided to limit their HGV's to 50mph I presume the fuel savings outweighed the cost of slower deliveries and the need for slightly more driving hours in total. Drivers get shorter journeys for the same money as before, how is that a bad thing?
You can overtake on autobahns but there are some local restrictions on sections, what actually happens is the driver spends more time away from home because he's run out of hours.
NorfolkInClue1 said:
My comments were not fueled by anger at all, just suprised that someone has openly posted on here that they believe other road users should stay out of their way for up to 10 miles just so they can have the road to themselves...
What I actually said was I didn't think a lorry should pull a 0.5mph overtake on a D/C when they are 10 miles away from a 4 lane section. Point being that a 5 minute overtake will cost all the cars that got stuck behind several minutes whilst saving the lorry driver around 6 seconds off his journey compared to simply waiting for the extra lanes.Now if you seriously think that that's unreasonable I'm not really sure what more I can say.
berlintaxi said:
blueg33 said:
Reading this thread it strikes me that lorry drivers seem to think they are the only ones with time constraints. That is simply not the case. Many people have to be places on time to ensure that essential services are delivered.
So leave adequate time for the journey, how many car drivers are risking being turned away together with their goods from wherever they are going for being 15 minutes late?Inconsiderate driving by trucks AND cars is the problem. Too many cars, not enough roads - and adding extra lanes to existing roads isn't the solution, we need a properly thought through, strategically delivered, massive M-Way and A-road improvement programme.
mondeoman said:
Too many cars, not enough roads - and adding extra lanes to existing roads isn't the solution, we need a properly thought through, strategically delivered, massive M-Way and A-road improvement programme.
I think it will be a mind set change needed. Families with three or four cars points to a problem in a country with limited space, I walk into the local town to get some shopping, takes 20 minutes tops. Many people around here will drive the same journey for work, hell, they drive to the school bus drop off point several hundred yards away. When I was a nipper, I got employment locally, now people have to travel further. Not talking about high flying high paid jobs, ordinary jobs.If I get the train during rush hour, to the nearest city, the train is packed. I know that driving during this time that the roads are packed. At the moment, if you kick everyone on to public transport I do not think that transport can cope.
We are trapped in a situation we have created and no amount of bluster from politicos is going to make it better.
Wonder what impact can be had from working from home, that is is it at its full potential?
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