VW Auto hold - advice on freak incident

[Mr2Mike]

essayer said:

Confound this car with it’s mystery handbrake, how will I ever know if it’s engaged or disengaged

Do those lights stay illuminated after you have exited the car and closed the door?

Edited by Mr2Mike on Sunday 26th August 07:47

[saaby93]

saaby93 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVAAtveZcDQ

was anyone else expecting a rear end shunt by the white car at 1:27?

[siovey]

DoctorX said:

siovey said:

Mine likes to keep me on my toes every now and then. For example, stopping at traffic lights the engine cuts out and the green light comes on to confirm it's stopped and held etc. However, sometimes randomly the engine will restart and the car will creep forward....I have to be pretty quick on the brakes in heavy traffic! Maybe I should get it checked out...

If it’s like mine, the radar will detect the car in front pulling away and start the engine. Auto-hold should still be engaged though.

My Tiguan has been faultless. EPB and AH work brilliantly but I never rely on the car to activate the former automatically, I always engage it before turning off the engine just like a manual handbrake.

Yes I've noticed mine seems to come back on when the car in front moves away. However, when it tends to come on and creep forwards, the car in front generally hasn't moved....

[PisstNBroke]

So this freak accident, I can prove with a video that a Passat B8 with an EPB can release its self in neutral.
On the occasions it’s happened it’s been in traffic or half parked in a space (as need to remove tools from boot). So footbrake, clutch down, (green light confirm), into neutral, apply epb, (red light confirm), release footbrake, then upon releasing clutch at the biting point position revs can pick up and handbrake is released.

Also did it week Wednesday ago when de-icing my car in the morning. Also when not wearing a seatbelt or if the drivers door open.

My own research on internet say A3, Golf Mk7, Passat, Superb are effected. Only happens at certain gradients.

[mickyok]

PisstNBroke said:

So this freak accident, I can prove with a video that a Passat B8 with an EPB can release its self in neutral.
On the occasions it’s happened it’s been in traffic or half parked in a space (as need to remove tools from boot). So footbrake, clutch down, (green light confirm), into neutral, apply epb, (red light confirm), release footbrake, then upon releasing clutch at the biting point position revs can pick up and handbrake is released.

Also did it week Wednesday ago when de-icing my car in the morning. Also when not wearing a seatbelt or if the drivers door open.

My own research on internet say A3, Golf Mk7, Passat, Superb are effected. Only happens at certain gradients.

Hi @PisstNBroke,

I'm Mike, from Spain. I own a Vw Golf mk7 2.0 TDI MY16 - 6 speed manual
My car has the same issues. It releases epb in neutral gear when I releases the clutch and revs go up too. It does this in many occasions, Most of the time he does it right when I starts the car, and the car moves in the direction of the slope


I've been claiming Volkswagen for two years and they do not give me a solution
They replaced the neutral gear sensor but it has not worked
Is there any solution?

I have many videos made by me and technical data of different parameters obtained with obdeleven obdscanner

Spanish websites with more people affected:
https://foro.clubvwgolf.com/topic/198489-duda-fren...
https://www.clubvwtiguan.com/threads/ligero-increm...


Excuse me if my English is not very good
Thanks

Edited by mickyok on Tuesday 4th June 16:46

[zedx19]

I had a Passat which you needed to press the button to put the handbrake on but it would release itself when you drove off. It would autohold though and I often thought that I bet some people get out the car without pressing the button and wouldn't it be great if it just came on/off itself. My wifes Peugeot 5008 has an electronic handbrake that does just this and seems to work fine. Get in, drive off and handbrake comes off, stop and turn the car off and handbrake comes on. Hill starts, handbrake comes on/off itself. I've not once had to press the button and I've covered 400 mile in it this week on a family holiday. Then this morning I got into my 5 pot ST, went to drive off but couldn't as the hand brake is a lever, how inconvenient.

[EazyDuz]

The evolution of cars, everything becomes automatic. I guess people struggled with the concept of pulling a lever.

[zedx19]

EazyDuz said:

The evolution of cars, everything becomes automatic. I guess people struggled with the concept of pulling a lever.

I think it's more a packaging thing, lever takes up room so by removing it you create space for cup holders, storage areas etc.

[Baldchap]

EazyDuz said:

The evolution of cars, everything becomes automatic. I guess people struggled with the concept of pulling a lever.

I guess people struggled with the concept of turning a starting handle or pulling on a manual choke.

[EazyDuz]

Baldchap said:

I guess people struggled with the concept of turning a starting handle or pulling on a manual choke.

Lol no. The choke just got phased out due to superior fuel injection which is both cleaner for the environment and less maintenance.
Starting handle was a safety issue, no need to break a wrist since the electric motor was invented, also no need to get out of the car to start it.

A lever you easily pull and push a button to release is a bit different to a ridiculous sometimes automatic/sometimes not (depending on how the car feels at the time) parking brake/auto handbrake.

Try again...

[Rich Boy Spanner]

Having had 8 VW Group cars (VW and Skoda) as company cars due to low CO2 and lease prices, and 3 being delivered with obvious faults, and the others all quickly developing them, VW technology and reliability is so poor they should be supplying them with a brick on a length of rope instead of electric/electronic parking brakes.

[RicksAlfas]

EazyDuz said:

A lever you easily pull and push a button to release is a bit different to a ridiculous sometimes automatic/sometimes not (depending on how the car feels at the time) parking brake/auto handbrake.

That's the problem. If all electronic handbrakes worked the same it would be less of an issue. Mine engages automatically when I turn the engine off and disengages when I drive away. I never need to touch it. I would expect others to do the same, but reading this thread, apparently they don't.

[eldar]

EazyDuz said:

Lol no. The choke just got phased out due to superior fuel injection which is both cleaner for the environment and less maintenance.
Starting handle was a safety issue, no need to break a wrist since the electric motor was invented, also no need to get out of the car to start it.

A lever you easily pull and push a button to release is a bit different to a ridiculous sometimes automatic/sometimes not (depending on how the car feels at the time) parking brake/auto handbrake.

Try again...

Handbrake. Pull lever or push footpedal to apply. Applies brakes or functions as an emergency brake. Press button to release.

Electric parking brake. Pull lever/stop car/press button/do something else to apply. Confirm applied by either tactile feedback, warning lamp or combination. Pull lever/stop car/press button/do something else to release. Confirm released by either tactile feedback, warning lamp or combination.

Do they have emergency braking capability?

[Gojira]

eldar said:

Handbrake. Pull lever or push footpedal to apply. Applies brakes or functions as an emergency brake. Press button to release.

Electric parking brake. Pull lever/stop car/press button/do something else to apply. Confirm applied by either tactile feedback, warning lamp or combination. Pull lever/stop car/press button/do something else to release. Confirm released by either tactile feedback, warning lamp or combination.

Do they have emergency braking capability?

All the EPBs I've had in the last ten years (an XE and an Insipid) have been usable in emergencies. Never had to use them in emergencies, but they did both work when tested

[PisstNBroke]

Well my incidents of the epb releasing in neutral was never accepted or confirmed by VW, VWFS. As it was a company car they waited till the lease ran out and just before my VOSA/DFT complaint deadline. Was promised it be investigated but car was sold onto car giant.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b3rdtrR5f1E

Theres three videos of it was happening fairly regular felt like once a week.

Edited by PisstNBroke on Wednesday 3rd July 17:44

[ashleyman]

Did you ever try stopping the vehicle, putting the car into neutral and taking your foot off the clutch - whilst your foot was on the brake, then lift the handbrake and removing your foot from the foot brake?

I have a feeling that by you using the clutch with the handbrake on you were confusing the car into thinking you wanted movement so it releases the handbrake.

[CoolHands]

PisstNBroke said:

Well my incidents of the epb releasing in neutral was never accepted or confirmed by VW, VWFS. As it was a company car they waited till the lease ran out and just before my VOSA/DFT complaint deadline. Was promised it be investigated but car was sold onto car giant.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b3rdtrR5f1E

Theres three videos of it was happening fairly regular felt like once a week.

Edited by PisstNBroke on Wednesday 3rd July 17:44

Tinny radio? Check
Filmed in portrait? Check
Camera swaying around wildly? Check
Can’t see what the hell’s going on? Check

Full house

[SmoothCriminal]

Why would you have the clutch depressed whilst you put the handbrake on, makes no sense.

Foot on brake car in neutral engage hand brake. But when I had a manual golf with autohold it engaged the handbrake auto hold automatically when I depressed the brake or switched off the motor

[essayer]

Stop car
Put in neutral
Release clutch
Turn off engine
Open door
Walk away

[Sheepshanks]

SmoothCriminal said:

....when I had a manual golf with autohold it engaged the handbrake auto hold automatically when I depressed the brake or switched off the motor

So which one - handbrake or autohold? They're very different things.