Horses shouldn't be allowed on the country roads
Discussion
Conscript said:
Do you honestly think horse owners treat them like motorbikes in the garage, and just leave them standing in the stable until they want to take them for a ride at the weekend?
Not at all, I understand most people will look after their horse but they're keeping it for their own selfish reasons, not for the overall good of the horse.I used to keep tropical fish, I looked after them well but the truth is I kept them because I liked the look of them, not for the well being of the fish.
If anyone takes a horse on a road, which is not what the horse would want, then there the ones putting the horse at risk and potentially distressing the horse.
Burwood said:
48k said:
Burwood said:
Patience? When the horse box is doing 25mph on a 60 for miles and miles. Driver doesn't pull over. That is just inconsiderate.
Doesn't happen. I'm all for reasoned debate but come on let's not exaggerate.And don't forget the road is not "a 60" for the lorry.
Fully agree that if you are moving slowly and holding up a line of traffic and there is an opportunity to safely let people overtake then you should. (And the Highway code recommends it too).
Edited by Burwood on Tuesday 12th June 15:11
I don't drive at walking speed past one, I'm probably nearer 20 (road dependant) but I will give them a huge berth and I'll be as near silent as possible. If any horsey types don't like that, fark em.
I frequently move the other half's dobbins about in the Horsebox, a slightly quicker one too.
The number of furking eejit motorists who cannot/will not/don't know how/are incapable/follow to close to see/ to overtake beggars belief. In fact it actually amuses me at the mass stupidity of the average motorist.
The number of furking eejit motorists who cannot/will not/don't know how/are incapable/follow to close to see/ to overtake beggars belief. In fact it actually amuses me at the mass stupidity of the average motorist.
Steve Benson said:
Conscript said:
Do you honestly think horse owners treat them like motorbikes in the garage, and just leave them standing in the stable until they want to take them for a ride at the weekend?
Not at all, I understand most people will look after their horse but they're keeping it for their own selfish reasons, not for the overall good of the horse.I used to keep tropical fish, I looked after them well but the truth is I kept them because I liked the look of them, not for the well being of the fish.
If anyone takes a horse on a road, which is not what the horse would want, then there the ones putting the horse at risk and potentially distressing the horse.
As for your second point, its not true for every horse. Despite their reputation for being flighty of nature,a lot of horses are more than capable of negotiating modern roads safely without getting distressed. Again, using my girlfriend as an example, when she rides, she tried to avoid roads as much as possible, but she does have to ride on them sometimes to move between fields, bridleways, etc. Her horse has rarely shown any signs of distress, in fact, he's largely pretty docile and not bothered by traffic or moving by road. As long as other road users are being courteous and just passing wide and slow, there's no reason a horse should be distressed just by the act of being ridden on a road.
Begging your pardon, but it sounds like you want to turn this into an issue of animal welfare in order to justify your criticisms of horses on the public road. I'm no fan of horses, but having spent enough time with them by virtue of being in a relationship who someone who is, I can tell you that this idea that horses don't like being ridden, or that doing so is outright cruel, or that they are reduced to distressed, quivering wrecks just by the action of being ridden on a road, is nonsense.
Edited by Conscript on Tuesday 12th June 17:22
Nanook said:
Strange, a post just disappeared?
Yeah I think that was me. I posted this. https://www.facebook.com/Idiotukdriversmedia/video...
We (as in Mrs and daughters) have 3 horses. I wrote something then couldn't be bothered to get involved so deleted it. But there is the link I posted. Thats the sort of stuff horse riders/owners have to put up with. In my view there was a place there for the horse to stop but didnt.
Buggyjam said:
To be balanced..
I think they call the sheds stables. In the summer they live in fields night and day. In winter they stick them in the stable at night with blankets on them. I don’t think they’re battery hen horses living cooped up miserable lives. From what I’ve seen they have quite a nice life as far as pets go.
Horses: stables. Sheds: 20 foot high chickens I think they call the sheds stables. In the summer they live in fields night and day. In winter they stick them in the stable at night with blankets on them. I don’t think they’re battery hen horses living cooped up miserable lives. From what I’ve seen they have quite a nice life as far as pets go.
oldaudi said:
Yeah I think that was me. I posted this.
https://www.facebook.com/Idiotukdriversmedia/video...
We (as in Mrs and daughters) have 3 horses. I wrote something then couldn't be bothered to get involved so deleted it. But there is the link I posted. Thats the sort of stuff horse riders/owners have to put up with. In my view there was a place there for the horse to stop but didnt.
Dreadful.https://www.facebook.com/Idiotukdriversmedia/video...
We (as in Mrs and daughters) have 3 horses. I wrote something then couldn't be bothered to get involved so deleted it. But there is the link I posted. Thats the sort of stuff horse riders/owners have to put up with. In my view there was a place there for the horse to stop but didnt.
I would hope that doesn't happen too often.
Most horse riders I know would prefer not to ride on tarmac/a main road, so most times a rider will only be doing a short section. In that clip, the car driver should have waited - in a perfect world the horse would have sprayed the car with a mountain of dung.
As far as horse boxes are concerned, if you have a mile of traffic behind you - consider pulling over and let them past. Not too tricky.
Agreed !
I drove the 6 miles to my parents last weekend.
I came across 3 pairs of horse riders, 4 groups of cyclists and 7 groups of walkers / joggers
They all seem to fail to appreciate that roads are primarily for cars, not leisure activities.
Whilst I'm relaxed with the odd person getting in the way - after the 10th, my patience is waning.
I wouldn't object too much but after slowing from 60 to 30 to pass the horses - the husband in the lead, thanked me whilst the wife was frantically gesticulating behind him - why exactly should I have to slow down to walking pace - if your bloody horse can't cope with cars I suggest placing it where it will come across hundreds is stupid !
I drove the 6 miles to my parents last weekend.
I came across 3 pairs of horse riders, 4 groups of cyclists and 7 groups of walkers / joggers
They all seem to fail to appreciate that roads are primarily for cars, not leisure activities.
Whilst I'm relaxed with the odd person getting in the way - after the 10th, my patience is waning.
I wouldn't object too much but after slowing from 60 to 30 to pass the horses - the husband in the lead, thanked me whilst the wife was frantically gesticulating behind him - why exactly should I have to slow down to walking pace - if your bloody horse can't cope with cars I suggest placing it where it will come across hundreds is stupid !
oldaudi said:
Yeah I think that was me. I posted this.
https://www.facebook.com/Idiotukdriversmedia/video...
We (as in Mrs and daughters) have 3 horses. I wrote something then couldn't be bothered to get involved so deleted it. But there is the link I posted. Thats the sort of stuff horse riders/owners have to put up with. In my view there was a place there for the horse to stop but didnt.
I agree with you, they were both in the wrong, the idiot in the car should have chilled out and the idiot on the horse should have just stopped on the verge and let him pass.https://www.facebook.com/Idiotukdriversmedia/video...
We (as in Mrs and daughters) have 3 horses. I wrote something then couldn't be bothered to get involved so deleted it. But there is the link I posted. Thats the sort of stuff horse riders/owners have to put up with. In my view there was a place there for the horse to stop but didnt.
Shuvi McTupya said:
I agree with you, they were both in the wrong, the idiot in the car should have chilled out and the idiot on the horse should have just stopped on the verge and let him pass.
Car driver was a woman wasn't it?Had the horse rider squeezed onto the verge the car would still have been too close, I suspect the horse rider concluded the car would roar past tooting anyway. Astonishing lack of tolerance from the car driver who no doubt would blame the rider entirely if the horse got spooked by the noise and proximity of the car and damaged it in a panic.
So far I’ve been reasonably “pro horse” on this thread. Going to post something that puts the other side of the coin. Hopefully folk can view this as factual and not exaggeration/ hyperbole.
A friend of my sister’s was riding along a main main in Lincs. The road section is actually a “black spot”. Wisdom aside I don’t believe she was riding there because it’s fun. Rather just to get somewhere from its field I think.
There wasn’t a vehicle in sight. But, the horse got spooked by something. It bolted and galloped down the middle of the trunk road. Full gallop. She couldn’t stop it. A Hgv travelling the opposite direction towards this scene appeared around the corner, and luckily, stopped in short order. The horse carried on running towards the lorry and pretty much head butted it before spinning about in crazy circles. She managed to get it sorted in the end.
My sister has had a horse bolt and it ran through a corn field in slowly decreasing circles. I can ride myself but gave up after one bolted around a ménage. Bloody terrifying. Happened in an instant. It kept trying to jump out the arena. There was old bits of machinery lying outside the ménage so if would’ve been a kebab on a spike job if it jumped. I remember just hanging on thinking at the least I’m going to break some of my precious bones bailing off the frigger.
So these things do go off like missiles and bolt. When they bolt, they leg it and don’t stop at danger. It’s mental. Their eyes roll back and they can’t even really see. So perhaps staying off trunk roads or main roads should be enforced. Minor roads or unclassified roads accepted. Perhaps a case by case job for assessment. Certainly high velocity roads the likes of A17/A15/A52 in Lincs for example should be rethought.
But then I think cyclism races should be prohibited from using the A1 as their private racetrack
A friend of my sister’s was riding along a main main in Lincs. The road section is actually a “black spot”. Wisdom aside I don’t believe she was riding there because it’s fun. Rather just to get somewhere from its field I think.
There wasn’t a vehicle in sight. But, the horse got spooked by something. It bolted and galloped down the middle of the trunk road. Full gallop. She couldn’t stop it. A Hgv travelling the opposite direction towards this scene appeared around the corner, and luckily, stopped in short order. The horse carried on running towards the lorry and pretty much head butted it before spinning about in crazy circles. She managed to get it sorted in the end.
My sister has had a horse bolt and it ran through a corn field in slowly decreasing circles. I can ride myself but gave up after one bolted around a ménage. Bloody terrifying. Happened in an instant. It kept trying to jump out the arena. There was old bits of machinery lying outside the ménage so if would’ve been a kebab on a spike job if it jumped. I remember just hanging on thinking at the least I’m going to break some of my precious bones bailing off the frigger.
So these things do go off like missiles and bolt. When they bolt, they leg it and don’t stop at danger. It’s mental. Their eyes roll back and they can’t even really see. So perhaps staying off trunk roads or main roads should be enforced. Minor roads or unclassified roads accepted. Perhaps a case by case job for assessment. Certainly high velocity roads the likes of A17/A15/A52 in Lincs for example should be rethought.
But then I think cyclism races should be prohibited from using the A1 as their private racetrack
Edited by Buggyjam on Tuesday 12th June 20:13
lyonspride said:
Ah that old chestnut, the one line shutdown....... Except it's illogical.
What if you can't leave earlier?
What if your on a tight schedule, behind on time and some numpty is self policing the roads at 35mph?
Does someone deserve to loose their job because their boss put down unreasonable time restraints on them making a delivery?
I had to drive to north wales a few weeks ago, a 3 hour journey, I was up at 6am for that, but because of people driving at 2/3 of most common speed limit, the journey took over 4 hours.... That is NOT reasonable and i'm sure as hell not getting up at 4:30am JUST because other people either can't drive or refuse to drive at a sensible and considerate speed.
Where I live and going to my previous job, I had a 15 minute window to leave for work, later and the traffic in my town was horrendous, earlier and i'd hit heavy traffic half way to work as everyone was scrambling to get out of town blocking a roundabout that crosses the main road I take to work. All it took was for one idiot to be driving Ms Daisy and i'd be late, the only alternative was to get up at 4am every morning and risk having to sit in the car for an hour in the works car park.
It's very easy to say "leave earlier" when you don't have the same work/travel situation as the other person.
So... The people causing the problem are the people causing you to drive at 2/3 the speed limit? Not the people causing you to sit in your car stationary? Or you for having a routine that means the slightest hold up on your journey means you might lose your job? Righty ho...What if you can't leave earlier?
What if your on a tight schedule, behind on time and some numpty is self policing the roads at 35mph?
Does someone deserve to loose their job because their boss put down unreasonable time restraints on them making a delivery?
I had to drive to north wales a few weeks ago, a 3 hour journey, I was up at 6am for that, but because of people driving at 2/3 of most common speed limit, the journey took over 4 hours.... That is NOT reasonable and i'm sure as hell not getting up at 4:30am JUST because other people either can't drive or refuse to drive at a sensible and considerate speed.
Where I live and going to my previous job, I had a 15 minute window to leave for work, later and the traffic in my town was horrendous, earlier and i'd hit heavy traffic half way to work as everyone was scrambling to get out of town blocking a roundabout that crosses the main road I take to work. All it took was for one idiot to be driving Ms Daisy and i'd be late, the only alternative was to get up at 4am every morning and risk having to sit in the car for an hour in the works car park.
It's very easy to say "leave earlier" when you don't have the same work/travel situation as the other person.
popeyewhite said:
Car driver was a woman wasn't it?
Had the horse rider squeezed onto the verge the car would still have been too close, I suspect the horse rider concluded the car would roar past tooting anyway. Astonishing lack of tolerance from the car driver who no doubt would blame the rider entirely if the horse got spooked by the noise and proximity of the car and damaged it in a panic.
Ah yes, two women..Had the horse rider squeezed onto the verge the car would still have been too close, I suspect the horse rider concluded the car would roar past tooting anyway. Astonishing lack of tolerance from the car driver who no doubt would blame the rider entirely if the horse got spooked by the noise and proximity of the car and damaged it in a panic.
Well if the horse was skittish enough that being on a verge as a car drove slowly passed would freak it out, then it shouldn't be on or near a road!
lyonspride said:
funkyrobot said:
How about leaving more time for the journey?
Ah that old chestnut, the one line shutdown....... Except it's illogical.What if you can't leave earlier?
What if your on a tight schedule, behind on time and some numpty is self policing the roads at 35mph?
Does someone deserve to loose their job because their boss put down unreasonable time restraints on them making a delivery?
I had to drive to north wales a few weeks ago, a 3 hour journey, I was up at 6am for that, but because of people driving at 2/3 of most common speed limit, the journey took over 4 hours.... That is NOT reasonable and i'm sure as hell not getting up at 4:30am JUST because other people either can't drive or refuse to drive at a sensible and considerate speed.
Where I live and going to my previous job, I had a 15 minute window to leave for work, later and the traffic in my town was horrendous, earlier and i'd hit heavy traffic half way to work as everyone was scrambling to get out of town blocking a roundabout that crosses the main road I take to work. All it took was for one idiot to be driving Ms Daisy and i'd be late, the only alternative was to get up at 4am every morning and risk having to sit in the car for an hour in the works car park.
It's very easy to say "leave earlier" when you don't have the same work/travel situation as the other person.
More people on bikes and horses would solve the traffic issues.
It's not much fun when I'm stuck in the back of a seemingly endless queue behind a dilapidated pie key pony & trap with their ancient diesel lorry death trap crawling behind them , blocking any & all attempts to get past them even if there were any opportunities, which there isn't . Why is this legal ? Why cant they f
k off back to the st hole compound and be content with marrying their sister's or concentrate on their profitable fly tipping enterprise ? Mind you , with the state of our road surfaces they probaly don't add that much time to a journey anyway .
k off back to the st hole compound and be content with marrying their sister's or concentrate on their profitable fly tipping enterprise ? Mind you , with the state of our road surfaces they probaly don't add that much time to a journey anyway .Edited by Captain Smerc on Tuesday 12th June 22:23
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