JLR on 3 day week
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Wooda80 said:
There seem to be a lot of posts on here suggesting that the 3 day week is down to poor sales, which is in turn down to poor product quality.
I can't find anything to suggest that Jaguar sales have grown in any way other than exponentially over the last few years, due in most part to the addition of new model lines.
So, reliable or not, that doesn't seem to be hurting sales - bit like Land Rover really.
The issue is that the factory producing the older declining product lines has been overlooked ( or ruled out ) for the investment to produce the newer ascending product in favour of factories located elsewhere in the UK and abroad ( Solihull and Graz ).
I wonder why, and for how long, this will continue to be the case? Will money eventually be invested in Castle Bromwich or is this news the first nail in it's coffin?
But that growth has been largely due to F Pace and E Pace more recently. I can't find anything to suggest that Jaguar sales have grown in any way other than exponentially over the last few years, due in most part to the addition of new model lines.
So, reliable or not, that doesn't seem to be hurting sales - bit like Land Rover really.
The issue is that the factory producing the older declining product lines has been overlooked ( or ruled out ) for the investment to produce the newer ascending product in favour of factories located elsewhere in the UK and abroad ( Solihull and Graz ).
I wonder why, and for how long, this will continue to be the case? Will money eventually be invested in Castle Bromwich or is this news the first nail in it's coffin?
Edited by Wooda80 on Wednesday 26th September 17:03
Saloon cars do not appear to be selling as well.
BenjiS said:
I’d love to know your spec though, as mine is very nearly ‘fully loaded’(1) and list was in the mid-60s.
I can't add up. 51k for the base vehicle + about 16k for the options... So more like 68k not 78kMine was one of the first ones through - I don't think they had got everything right then.
Now some performance issues are sorted (which were not mechanical, just control electronics) it goes really well.
My local (not the supplying) dealer is really helpful, I feel I know them well I am there so often. I think I might get an invite to the Xmas party.
At the risk of jumping on the bandwagon, i’d not consider a JLR product.
This is based friends and colleagues negative experiences.
Admittedly this is based on a very small sample group of three cars, but one guy naught a new XF, and after three years of niggles that the dealer network seemed incapable of either being professional or putting the issues right, ended with a “never again”
The other two are landrover products, one of which has spent more time at the dealer than on her drive since she bought it in May..itself a replacement for a rejected vehicle.
I know all vehicles have their issues, but no thank you.
This is based friends and colleagues negative experiences.
Admittedly this is based on a very small sample group of three cars, but one guy naught a new XF, and after three years of niggles that the dealer network seemed incapable of either being professional or putting the issues right, ended with a “never again”
The other two are landrover products, one of which has spent more time at the dealer than on her drive since she bought it in May..itself a replacement for a rejected vehicle.
I know all vehicles have their issues, but no thank you.
Fast Bug said:
TooMany2cvs said:
E-class? Apart from AMG and E400d, they're all E220d four-pots now.
There's the E350d which is a 6 cylinderhttps://www.mercedes-benz.co.uk/passengercars/cont...
No ideas for a name said:
BenjiS said:
I’d love to know your spec though, as mine is very nearly ‘fully loaded’(1) and list was in the mid-60s.
I can't add up. 51k for the base vehicle + about 16k for the options... So more like 68k not 78kMine was one of the first ones through - I don't think they had got everything right then.
Now some performance issues are sorted (which were not mechanical, just control electronics) it goes really well.
My local (not the supplying) dealer is really helpful, I feel I know them well I am there so often. I think I might get an invite to the Xmas party.
They're definitely improving as they're going along. For various weird and wonderful reasons, I had an MY17 built later 2016, followed by my current MY18 built late 2017. The MY18 is better put together and has some refinements over the MY17. But I guess this happens with any car over its model lifetime.
TooMany2cvs said:
Nope. Dropped.
https://www.mercedes- benz.co.uk/passengercars/content-pool/tool-pages/car-configurator.html/?rccVehicleModelId=2130612
More than likely dropped because of a new engine like BMW With the 335i to 340ihttps://www.mercedes- benz.co.uk/passengercars/content-pool/tool-pages/car-configurator.html/?rccVehicleModelId=2130612
Nickbrapp said:
TooMany2cvs said:
More than likely dropped because of a new engine like BMW With the 335i to 340ihttps://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/scoop/mercedes-...
TooMany2cvs said:
Nickbrapp said:
TooMany2cvs said:
More than likely dropped because of a new engine like BMW With the 335i to 340ihttps://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/scoop/mercedes-...
It's back as the E400d and listed in the June onwards price guide
http://tools.mercedes-benz.co.uk/current/passenger...
Fast Bug said:
It's back as the E400d and listed in the June onwards price guide
Yes... That's why I originally said...TooMany2cvs said:
E-class? Apart from AMG and E400d, they're all E220d four-pots now.
And let's not forget that the E400d (4Matic AMG-line only) is £11k, 27%, more than the equivalent E220d...Jazzy Jag said:
But that growth has been largely due to F Pace and E Pace more recently.
Saloon cars do not appear to be selling as well.
It has indeed been down to the new product. And the novel concept for a British brand of building cars that people want to buy. I've not seen any figures either way on saloon car sales, maybe you can link me to the ones that you have seen.Saloon cars do not appear to be selling as well.
I'd suggest that, especially since Jaguar which has tiny capacity and limited funds compared to its competitors, they will develop the products which will give them the biggest financial return and allow the rest to die.
That means that the future is in SUV product and the days of the Jaguar saloon, whether it has a fluted bonnet and a plank of walnut or not, are numbered. I'd be very surprised if we saw another car badged XE or XF.
Edited by Wooda80 on Wednesday 26th September 18:51
I’m disappointed as I have always been a jaguar fan.
The x type was well off the mark for the entry, young end of the brand. The Xf seemed to find the right balance between modern styling and wood leather interior.
Then came the xe which is so bland I’m not even sure what it is. Then we got the mk2 xf, how they went from the mk1 to the mk2 is beyond me. The interior is terrible and it looks like a sort of Japanese saloon that sells well in Asia but we never get in Europe.
I won’t touch on the Xj, so that leaves the suv’s. For what they are they are probably fine, without them jag would probably have been dropped by now.
So I’m not surprised their saloon production is struggling.
It’s personal opinion but a bland range of saloons that don’t appeal to the masses seems to be the problem. Although if I was in charge I would be desperately blaming brexit rather than my own poor management.
Let’s hope the electric jag and the suvs keep selling.
The x type was well off the mark for the entry, young end of the brand. The Xf seemed to find the right balance between modern styling and wood leather interior.
Then came the xe which is so bland I’m not even sure what it is. Then we got the mk2 xf, how they went from the mk1 to the mk2 is beyond me. The interior is terrible and it looks like a sort of Japanese saloon that sells well in Asia but we never get in Europe.
I won’t touch on the Xj, so that leaves the suv’s. For what they are they are probably fine, without them jag would probably have been dropped by now.
So I’m not surprised their saloon production is struggling.
It’s personal opinion but a bland range of saloons that don’t appeal to the masses seems to be the problem. Although if I was in charge I would be desperately blaming brexit rather than my own poor management.
Let’s hope the electric jag and the suvs keep selling.
I've always been a Jaguar fan too. My dad had 3 XJ-Ss while I was growing up, grandfather had an XJ6.
I've never owned one and nothing in the range really appeals at the moment, except maybe an F-Type but even those are too wide and the boot is too small.
The current XE and XF are pretty forgettable style wise. The fronts looks good but the back is dull. The last of the old XF still has some appeal I suppose.
My wife is currently very keen on getting a three year old RRS but I am concerned about potential reliability issues. We will definitely be getting an extended warranty if we go ahead.
As an aside, I have had four BMWs of various ages over a total of 7 years ownership so far and zero reliability issues...
I've never owned one and nothing in the range really appeals at the moment, except maybe an F-Type but even those are too wide and the boot is too small.
The current XE and XF are pretty forgettable style wise. The fronts looks good but the back is dull. The last of the old XF still has some appeal I suppose.
My wife is currently very keen on getting a three year old RRS but I am concerned about potential reliability issues. We will definitely be getting an extended warranty if we go ahead.
As an aside, I have had four BMWs of various ages over a total of 7 years ownership so far and zero reliability issues...
TooMany2cvs said:
And let's not forget that the E400d (4Matic AMG-line only) is £11k, 27%, more than the equivalent E220d...
Apologies I missed the 400d part. With the 400d being AMG Line and 4Matix onky I don't see that being an issue really, you rarely see any 350d SE. It's the same reason they dropped the C250d SE, nobody bought them
GM182 said:
I've always been a Jaguar fan too. My dad had 3 XJ-Ss while I was growing up, grandfather had an XJ6.
I've never owned one and nothing in the range really appeals at the moment, except maybe an F-Type but even those are too wide and the boot is too small.
The current XE and XF are pretty forgettable style wise. The fronts looks good but the back is dull. The last of the old XF still has some appeal I suppose.
My wife is currently very keen on getting a three year old RRS but I am concerned about potential reliability issues. We will definitely be getting an extended warranty if we go ahead.
As an aside, I have had four BMWs of various ages over a total of 7 years ownership so far and zero reliability issues...
I guess everyone's got an opinion on styling, but I think the XE and XF are great looking cars. I changed from a BMW 330d F31 (3 series touring) to a Jag XE 2.5t petrol and I think it is a much better looking and more reliable car. The handling of the Jag is in a totally different league, with the front end being sublime. Road noise in the BMW was appalling, and the concrete sections of the M25 are now *nearly* silent in comparison. I've never owned one and nothing in the range really appeals at the moment, except maybe an F-Type but even those are too wide and the boot is too small.
The current XE and XF are pretty forgettable style wise. The fronts looks good but the back is dull. The last of the old XF still has some appeal I suppose.
My wife is currently very keen on getting a three year old RRS but I am concerned about potential reliability issues. We will definitely be getting an extended warranty if we go ahead.
As an aside, I have had four BMWs of various ages over a total of 7 years ownership so far and zero reliability issues...
I gave up with my local BMW dealer as they simply couldn't be trusted and went to the one in the next large town, and they proved to be merely incompetent. My Jag dealer has been really good.
The Jag isn't perfect, but no road car is.
Cabsi said:
GM182 said:
I've always been a Jaguar fan too. My dad had 3 XJ-Ss while I was growing up, grandfather had an XJ6.
I've never owned one and nothing in the range really appeals at the moment, except maybe an F-Type but even those are too wide and the boot is too small.
The current XE and XF are pretty forgettable style wise. The fronts looks good but the back is dull. The last of the old XF still has some appeal I suppose.
My wife is currently very keen on getting a three year old RRS but I am concerned about potential reliability issues. We will definitely be getting an extended warranty if we go ahead.
As an aside, I have had four BMWs of various ages over a total of 7 years ownership so far and zero reliability issues...
I guess everyone's got an opinion on styling, but I think the XE and XF are great looking cars. I changed from a BMW 330d F31 (3 series touring) to a Jag XE 2.5t petrol and I think it is a much better looking and more reliable car. The handling of the Jag is in a totally different league, with the front end being sublime. Road noise in the BMW was appalling, and the concrete sections of the M25 are now *nearly* silent in comparison. I've never owned one and nothing in the range really appeals at the moment, except maybe an F-Type but even those are too wide and the boot is too small.
The current XE and XF are pretty forgettable style wise. The fronts looks good but the back is dull. The last of the old XF still has some appeal I suppose.
My wife is currently very keen on getting a three year old RRS but I am concerned about potential reliability issues. We will definitely be getting an extended warranty if we go ahead.
As an aside, I have had four BMWs of various ages over a total of 7 years ownership so far and zero reliability issues...
I gave up with my local BMW dealer as they simply couldn't be trusted and went to the one in the next large town, and they proved to be merely incompetent. My Jag dealer has been really good.
The Jag isn't perfect, but no road car is.
One girl had just got a brand new Porsche and said the buying experience was terrible.
Ares said:
Let off some steam Bennett said:
My wife has a a company XE for 3 years next March.The day she picked it up it was back at the dealers with an add blue fault, this took the dealer 3 weeks to fix. 12 months lata it needed a wheel bearing, dealer tried to tell me the tyres needed replacing and it was not a wheel bearing noise. This summer in our heatwave the aircon packed up and there were no parts available for 3 weeks.She booked the car in after the 3 week period for the dealer to tell her the parts would be a further 2 weeks away and suggested my wife rang around jag dealers herself to find parts. There was no offer of a loan car from Jag. The car is now on 64k and seams to be ok.Plenty of people at my wifes work opted for jags as they are comfortable but they have had so many issues they have been taken of the company car list. One of here work mates jags just completely shut down after 5k and jag could not fix it, they gave him a brand new car. Another incident that started with a knocking engine has been diagnosed with a bent rod, Jag techs have advised him to keep driving it until it stops and then it will be fixed, priceless.
We have just travelled Europe in my wifes jag and trust me i was more nervous about it letting us down than my previous trips in my tuscan, unfortunately we could go in the tuscan as we had my wifes parents with us. Saying all that its a very comfortable car if not that well built
Jags woes, leading to it's 3 day week summed up in less than a dozen lines!We have just travelled Europe in my wifes jag and trust me i was more nervous about it letting us down than my previous trips in my tuscan, unfortunately we could go in the tuscan as we had my wifes parents with us. Saying all that its a very comfortable car if not that well built
....but they'll still blame the potential, theoretic issue of the future unknown chance of possible increased tariffs, in a year's time.
Wooda80 said:
That means that the future is in SUV product and the days of the Jaguar saloon, whether it has a fluted bonnet and a plank of walnut or not, are numbered. I'd be very surprised if we saw another car badged XE or XF.
Completely agree with that. I fully expect the I-Pace to turn out to be the replacement for the XF.BenjiS said:
Wooda80 said:
That means that the future is in SUV product and the days of the Jaguar saloon, whether it has a fluted bonnet and a plank of walnut or not, are numbered. I'd be very surprised if we saw another car badged XE or XF.
Completely agree with that. I fully expect the I-Pace to turn out to be the replacement for the XF.Very sad.
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