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I’m not as offended by it as some. The grille is a bit OTT although not in the same class as the X5, X7 etc. The interior certainly looks like a step up from the previous model.
The F30 was a nice car in my eyes and the E90 got better with age although it looks tiny now. The E46 was the prettiest 3 series to my eyes although my E90 was a better car in terms of reliability.
The F30 was a nice car in my eyes and the E90 got better with age although it looks tiny now. The E46 was the prettiest 3 series to my eyes although my E90 was a better car in terms of reliability.
LuS1fer said:
Ah yes, RWD for all those driving gods, sliding with a dab of oppo round every bend.
I wonder if they will sell any less when they turn FWD or whether they will finally have to conceded that no-one will really notice.
I would notice. You make it sound like RWD is a bad thing? Why do you think that?I wonder if they will sell any less when they turn FWD or whether they will finally have to conceded that no-one will really notice.
As for the original point being made, I was having a look out for the awkward bonnet line and noticed that loads of cars have it, from Fiesta to B Class to Toyotas and many others, so not just a BMW issue.
Edited by Mike335i on Thursday 25th April 20:15
Mike335i said:
I would notice. You make it sound like RWD is a bad thing? Why do you think that?
As for the original point being made, I was having a look out for the awkward bonnet line and noticed that loads of cars have it, from Fiesta to B Class to Toyotas and many others, so not just a BMW issue.
I’d guess he’d not notice if his...Ford Mustang GT (Supercharged) GT (2005), a double GT no less, was front wheel drive As for the original point being made, I was having a look out for the awkward bonnet line and noticed that loads of cars have it, from Fiesta to B Class to Toyotas and many others, so not just a BMW issue.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 25th April 20:15
yonex said:
I’d guess he’d not notice if his...Ford Mustang GT (Supercharged) GT (2005), a double GT no less, was front wheel drive
My, how we laughed at such astute wit.I have a Fiesta ST Mountune too which is just as much and probably more fun to drive. You're not going to get far trying to sell me a diesel BMW against it.
I come from an era where most cars were RWD and when FWD cars were a novelty but everyone wanted a Mini Cooper S. It's not a defining requirement for me or most people which end is driven and I wouldn't buy a car with a car crash face just for that reason.
My motorbike is RWD though and I wouldn't have that any other way.
Years ago I have vague recollections of an ME at BMW telling me that the then-new straight edged shutlines on the bonnet design would be way cheaper to manufacture and ergo somewhat cheaper.
Looking at how plasticky the new giant grille is, I can't help but wonder if that was cost driven to some level (perhaps in lieu of the cheaper bonnet stampings prevously). Complete speculation on my part, of course.
Looking at how plasticky the new giant grille is, I can't help but wonder if that was cost driven to some level (perhaps in lieu of the cheaper bonnet stampings prevously). Complete speculation on my part, of course.
codenamecueball said:
ericmcn said:
considering its a 2008 car it has more toys standard than an ultimate driving machine of that era, heated seats, cruise, dual climate control, xenons, dvd nagivation, mp3 (no really), bluetooth, electric seats w/memory, full leather - but BMW like fleecing off mugs like that monstrosity now. heck I think the lads in Bavaria were saying to each other lets design some ridiculous front end and I bet people will still buy it...while they all probably drive the nicer BMWs from times past and let the sales reps buy the new disasters on hire deals
Please put your laptop down and go outside.kambites said:
Does such a regulation exist? Audi seem to manage to run the bonnet right to the grille on the A5 as do lots of other manufacturers.
No strictlyIt’s more to do with leg, pelvis and head and defined by the height of the car. Legs will be subject to bending or knee shear and rather than trying to manage the energy in a nose cone (either grille or bumper on. 3 series) Audi probably focus more on rotation of the pedestrian with their more ‘chinny’ bumpers. The main bumper will be a bit further back and so will the angled grille and then bonnet. Idea is then the top surface of the bonnet is where you start dealing with the pedestrians energy to slow them over as long period of time as possible.
More of a wedge than a bluff battering ram.
Edited by JonnyVTEC on Thursday 25th April 23:10
Speed 3 said:
It is somewhat ironic that just as EV's are doing away with the need for a grille altogether that the remaining ICE powered are going in completely the other direction for "styling".
They are not, the cooling system still has too drive cabin cooling systems and cool the battery and driveline to sensible temps where the difference between optimal temp and ambient is much lower than a combustion engine running at 90-100C . hence EV still need significant amounts of air coming through apertures even though the heat rejection is lower.Tesla being native BEV mean they have a very wider front structure and subframe that allows a very low and wide cooling system with various active vane systems to manage the cooling air through the low inlets. This allows the big frunk and hence no upper grille - they of course deleted the grille graphic on the facelift model S.
To say EV don’t need cooling apertures isn’t really true.
LuS1fer said:
My, how we laughed at such astute wit.
I have a Fiesta ST Mountune too which is just as much and probably more fun to drive. You're not going to get far trying to sell me a diesel BMW against it.
I come from an era where most cars were RWD and when FWD cars were a novelty but everyone wanted a Mini Cooper S. It's not a defining requirement for me or most people which end is driven and I wouldn't buy a car with a car crash face just for that reason.
My motorbike is RWD though and I wouldn't have that any other way.
We should laugh, and with gusto at your attempt to ridicule. Your ‘motorbike’ is a gutless wheeze and you’re barking up the tree of everything wrong trying to call out someone raised on various fwd cars, leading to the DC2. I had several Mini’s, when they were actually a thing, 850, 1100, 1275 etc. I have a Fiesta ST Mountune too which is just as much and probably more fun to drive. You're not going to get far trying to sell me a diesel BMW against it.
I come from an era where most cars were RWD and when FWD cars were a novelty but everyone wanted a Mini Cooper S. It's not a defining requirement for me or most people which end is driven and I wouldn't buy a car with a car crash face just for that reason.
My motorbike is RWD though and I wouldn't have that any other way.
The point you’re missing, well two. Or Three.
One, supposedly you enjoy a Mustang. You chose this obviously because it’s rwd and fun?
Two. The Mustang looks like it’s already been crashed, backwards into 1985.
Three. The 320d is a working vehicle. It’s not something that I’d hang my hat on as a fun car. But it’s perfect as a tool for the job.
ericmcn said:
nothing wrong with answering back to yonex is there? my car has indeed an FM radio and a whole lot more kit than the misers at BMW offer - the front of it doesnt look like a 6 year old designed it on sketch a doodle either which helps greatly.
You’re not the demographic for the 3 series. I’m sure BMW aren’t overly bothered yonex said:
We should laugh, and with gusto at your attempt to ridicule. Your ‘motorbike’ is a gutless wheeze and you’re barking up the tree of everything wrong trying to call out someone raised on various fwd cars, leading to the DC2. I had several Mini’s, when they were actually a thing, 850, 1100, 1275 etc.
The point you’re missing, well two. Or Three.
One, supposedly you enjoy a Mustang. You chose this obviously because it’s rwd and fun?
Two. The Mustang looks like it’s already been crashed, backwards into 1985.
Three. The 320d is a working vehicle. It’s not something that I’d hang my hat on as a fun car. But it’s perfect as a tool for the job.
A somewhat pathetic attempt at ridiculing a motor bike faster than 90 % of most cars on acceleration. I've had a CBR 1000 but the SV with low weight and 71hp is just fine.The point you’re missing, well two. Or Three.
One, supposedly you enjoy a Mustang. You chose this obviously because it’s rwd and fun?
Two. The Mustang looks like it’s already been crashed, backwards into 1985.
Three. The 320d is a working vehicle. It’s not something that I’d hang my hat on as a fun car. But it’s perfect as a tool for the job.
1. RWD is appropriate for a car with more than 450hp so RWD is pretty much a default choice. Would I be happy with a 350hp FWD and could I have just as much fun, if not more? Yes.
2. As the best selling sports coupe in the world, you might be in a minority there. The almost zero depreciation and public adulation also shreds your argument but it is of course subjective. That said, there is a common perception of what looks good. Besides which, it was 1968 not 1985 and the irony is that BMW have clung to the same 3 series blueprint since the 70s yet have ended up with this.
3. A Ford ST and many other cars are perfect for a given job. So is my fridge but it's a functional object with other alternatives but looks better.
Edited by LuS1fer on Friday 26th April 07:29
LuS1fer said:
1. RWD is appropriate for a car with more than 450hp so RWD is pretty much a default choice.
There's no way I'd swap my 160bhp car for anything driving the front axle!For me, the reason for preferring RWD vehicles is little to do with traction levels or behaviour beyond the limits of traction.
Edited by kambites on Friday 26th April 08:28
Jimboka said:
If the grille isn’t actually functional, may as well lose it completely, Tesla style. Rather than s monstrosity that looks like is made from recycled ice cream tubs !
The grille is functional, it has flaps that open up as and when required, but by default stay closed to reduce drag.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff