RE: Megane Trophy-R = £72k
Discussion
Macboy said:
Has Renault ever sold out a limited series of cars at retail price. Not the Sport Spider, nor the two V6 Clio editions nor the R26R in my limited experience. This will clearly be the same.
Neither Clio V6 was a limited series car - they made as many as were ordered whilst on sale for 5 years in total.And of course we know that those approx. 2,500 UK Clios now fetch at least the same £25k price as they were 15 years ago unlike the same age and mileage Porsche Boxster (which many Journalists and no doubt the majority of people on here said was a safer place for your money ) which is now worth less than £10k because they were replaced with updated models and were more common.
The only stumbling block for me is that "hot hatches" by definition grew out of still needing some practicality so if this had a back seat it would make a lot more sense for me. If you can make do with 2 seats then a direct competitor is its inhouse brother - the Alpine A110 @ £50k.
Edited by GPH on Thursday 1st August 12:46
Edited by GPH on Thursday 1st August 12:47
nickfrog said:
Kenny Powers said:
People can be passionate about cars and still have an opinion on a £70k Megane. I understand the sentiment, and agree it is a special car, but you can’t realistically expect people not to pass comment when it costs practically double that of the already top-of-the-range next most expensive model.
True but that's more of a reflection of most people's lack of understanding of what it takes to make a new road car truly track capable. 
I feel it is ridiculous money for what it is, but as some posters here seem fit to burst if just one more person dares to disagree with their opinion that it's the best thing since sliced bread.....it's amazing, great value for money, an instant classic, a record breaker and just looking at it makes my pants moist.
David87 said:
Holy f
k! I paid £23,000 for a brand new R26.R, with every option, including the Ti exhaust system. Yeah, it was back in 2009 and it didn’t have carbon fibre wheels, but even so. 
Seems astronomically cheap compared to these days! k! I paid £23,000 for a brand new R26.R, with every option, including the Ti exhaust system. Yeah, it was back in 2009 and it didn’t have carbon fibre wheels, but even so. What are they worth now, out of interest?
David87 said:
Holy fk! I paid £23,000 for a brand new R26.R, with every option, including the Ti exhaust system. Yeah, it was back in 2009 and it didn’t have carbon fibre wheels, but even so.
So add 10years of inflation then £10k for carbon fibre wheels then £10k for carbon ceramic brakes then a bit more (£5k?) for additional modern tech and what number do you get?k! I paid £23,000 for a brand new R26.R, with every option, including the Ti exhaust system. Yeah, it was back in 2009 and it didn’t have carbon fibre wheels, but even so. Yes it is expensive but so is the spec. This is just a showcasing exercise to sell Renaultsport Meganes anyway.
markBXTR said:
Renault have arguably built some of the greatest hot hatches of all time. I've had a few of them and currently own a Twingo RS as a daily drive and a Porsche Boxster S as a weekender.
I do believe that Renault should be applauded for building this machine but the big sticking point for me is not the price. It's the fact that it has five doors. If I had a spare 75k to spend, no matter how epic it is to drive, I just couldn't buy a hot hatch with five doors. Hot hatches should always be three doors, why this trend to go to five escapes me. It spoils the look and the aggressiveness of said machines. Three door hatchbacks always look better than their five door counterparts IMO. Same with the Civic Type R et al!! Maybe its because the cars are now so expensive, only 30+ individuals with kids can afford them. Years ago it was generally single people that bought these cars as they weren't that expensive.
So coming back to the Megane Trophy R, it looks totally ridicules with five doors IMO, two that are now completely redundant.
It's simple economics. All hot hatches are based on a base model hatchback. The vast majority of those hatchbacks are sold in five-door guise. How often do you see a base model three-door Golf these days? It simply isn't worth the tooling costs to make a three-door option available, just for the tiny minority who demand that their GTI/ST/RS has three doors.. The vast majority of people don't care, so would still buy the car if it's a five-door, so the car companies are just saving themselves the expense. Most hatchbacks are now five-door only and I wouldn't be surprised if the few that are left aren't replaced.I do believe that Renault should be applauded for building this machine but the big sticking point for me is not the price. It's the fact that it has five doors. If I had a spare 75k to spend, no matter how epic it is to drive, I just couldn't buy a hot hatch with five doors. Hot hatches should always be three doors, why this trend to go to five escapes me. It spoils the look and the aggressiveness of said machines. Three door hatchbacks always look better than their five door counterparts IMO. Same with the Civic Type R et al!! Maybe its because the cars are now so expensive, only 30+ individuals with kids can afford them. Years ago it was generally single people that bought these cars as they weren't that expensive.
So coming back to the Megane Trophy R, it looks totally ridicules with five doors IMO, two that are now completely redundant.
Macboy said:
I remember when dealers had R26.R's in stock and the discounts were simply staggering. I went to view three or maybe four at my local Renault dealer at the end of the run. It's easy to say "oh but they'll appreciate" but both these and V6 Clios were very hard to sell new at anything like RRP at the time. £72k is simply bonkers. Justify it however you want but there is simply no way that they will sell these at this price even with anticipation of future classic status. Has Renault ever sold out a limited series of cars at retail price. Not the Sport Spider, nor the two V6 Clio editions nor the R26R in my limited experience. This will clearly be the same.
I feel like I have said this quite a few times, but does it actually matter if they sell them? Selling this handful of cars doesn't matter. What matters is selling all of the normal Meganes, R.S. and Trophy Meganes because of the press interest generated by this car. The problem seems to be that people are thinking of this in the same terms as a series production model, which it just isn't. The fact that it is generating media coverage and causing page after page of discussion on numerous platforms means that it is doing exactly what it is supposed to. Renault could have not bothered to sell any of them in reality.0ddball said:
I feel it is ridiculous money for what it is, but as some posters here seem fit to burst if just one more person dares to disagree with their opinion that it's the best thing since sliced bread.....it's amazing, great value for money, an instant classic, a record breaker and just looking at it makes my pants moist.
For the record, I don't think it's the best thing since sliced bread, I just understand what marketing is.GPH said:
Neither Clio V6 was a limited series car - they made as many as were ordered whilst on sale for 5 years in total.
And of course we know that those approx. 2,500 UK Clios now fetch at least the same £25k price as they were 15 years ago unlike the same age and mileage Porsche Boxster (which many Journalists and no doubt the majority of people on here said was a safer place for your money ) which is now worth less than £10k because they were replaced with updated models and were more common.
The only stumbling block for me is that "hot hatches" by definition grew out of still needing some practicality so if this had a back seat it would make a lot more sense for me. If you can make do with 2 seats then a direct competitor is its inhouse brother - the Alpine A110 @ £50k.
the clio v6 still looks fresh and interesting now, was an absolutely nuts carAnd of course we know that those approx. 2,500 UK Clios now fetch at least the same £25k price as they were 15 years ago unlike the same age and mileage Porsche Boxster (which many Journalists and no doubt the majority of people on here said was a safer place for your money ) which is now worth less than £10k because they were replaced with updated models and were more common.
The only stumbling block for me is that "hot hatches" by definition grew out of still needing some practicality so if this had a back seat it would make a lot more sense for me. If you can make do with 2 seats then a direct competitor is its inhouse brother - the Alpine A110 @ £50k.
Edited by GPH on Thursday 1st August 12:46
Edited by GPH on Thursday 1st August 12:47
this is just a stripped out megane and imo isn't as unique
People talk about development on this car. How extensive has that been on this application I wonder? Because in my opinion the main thing I see here is bolt on parts.
Admittedly the aero has been done up but we are not talking F1 here where they would have to design hundreds of bespoke parts to shove tenths on circuits. They used well proved principles, a big clean with a hidden exhaust diffuser (reminds me of the Clio 197 albeit more sophisticated I do think) and a duct throwing air underneath. Good stuff but not really an earth shuttering development.
All the other parts are after market. Someone would argue about the suspension setup but Renault had done their research with Ohlins on the previous R so they must had lots of data already, tinkering and fine tuning rather than development.
Not convinced on the "non carbon spec" pricing. It's expensive, that doesn't take away the fact that I love the car. But when the Alpine - a car that had TONS of development and started from a clean sheet of paper with all parts being bespoke bar the engine/box - costs £50k I can't see how a beefed up Megane can cost the same, if not more! People argue about the fact that the run is limited, the previous R was as well and it costed £38k.
I also can't see this as a highly bespoke car. Again, the "add on after market parts" argument can be used here. A V6 rear driven example of a hatch is, in fact the RS16 would have been as well. The R5 turbo was, R26R certainly with the cage and the plastic windows. The latest examples are definitely superb products but not highly bespoke. Highly modified maybe?
Admittedly the aero has been done up but we are not talking F1 here where they would have to design hundreds of bespoke parts to shove tenths on circuits. They used well proved principles, a big clean with a hidden exhaust diffuser (reminds me of the Clio 197 albeit more sophisticated I do think) and a duct throwing air underneath. Good stuff but not really an earth shuttering development.
All the other parts are after market. Someone would argue about the suspension setup but Renault had done their research with Ohlins on the previous R so they must had lots of data already, tinkering and fine tuning rather than development.
Not convinced on the "non carbon spec" pricing. It's expensive, that doesn't take away the fact that I love the car. But when the Alpine - a car that had TONS of development and started from a clean sheet of paper with all parts being bespoke bar the engine/box - costs £50k I can't see how a beefed up Megane can cost the same, if not more! People argue about the fact that the run is limited, the previous R was as well and it costed £38k.
I also can't see this as a highly bespoke car. Again, the "add on after market parts" argument can be used here. A V6 rear driven example of a hatch is, in fact the RS16 would have been as well. The R5 turbo was, R26R certainly with the cage and the plastic windows. The latest examples are definitely superb products but not highly bespoke. Highly modified maybe?
royalsteve68 said:
You would have to be a moron to pay that. Also I find it staggering that it has no rear seats yet has 5 doors. At the very least for that kind of money I’d expect it to be in 3 door form. Just staggering greed.
There is no 3-door Megane. To design, tool and build one alongside the 5-door now, for a limited run of cars, would mean each one costing £7m let alone £70k.TIGA84 said:
fking hell, this used to be a place for petrolheads, now its a miserable sea of millenial fking complainers that are pleased by nothing.
A Factory Renault Hatchback with Carbon Wheel, Carbon Seats and virtually everything in the highest grade spec they can produce, including the millions of Eur in R&D, and all people focus on is the price. Who fking cares?
You aren't going to buy one, but I guarantee they'll be gone in minutes.
Fair fking play to Renault to building it. After all, when they bring out the next Megane RS all you'll hear from the whinging pricks on here is "I bet a Golf GTi is quicker round the Ring", "They should put carbon wheels on it", "Why can't you have Carbon seats in it" etc etc.
Can you imagine the response if they brought out the V6 or the Turbo 2 again? Its just depressing..........
Hear, hear king hell, this used to be a place for petrolheads, now its a miserable sea of millenial fking complainers that are pleased by nothing.A Factory Renault Hatchback with Carbon Wheel, Carbon Seats and virtually everything in the highest grade spec they can produce, including the millions of Eur in R&D, and all people focus on is the price. Who f
king cares?You aren't going to buy one, but I guarantee they'll be gone in minutes.
Fair f
king play to Renault to building it. After all, when they bring out the next Megane RS all you'll hear from the whinging pricks on here is "I bet a Golf GTi is quicker round the Ring", "They should put carbon wheels on it", "Why can't you have Carbon seats in it" etc etc.Can you imagine the response if they brought out the V6 or the Turbo 2 again? Its just depressing..........
It was inevitable the 'type r was not a production car' would come up and yes, it had a floating roll cage which didnt add to rigidity (goes for tin hat), the a/c removed to offset the cage weight and stickier tyres on the ring granted... not exactly shocks made of unobtanium or other exotic parts
At spa and the other tracks it got the record it was a production car driven by jenson
Ring war is gonna go on and on!
At spa and the other tracks it got the record it was a production car driven by jenson
Ring war is gonna go on and on!
D7Cup said:
People talk about development on this car. How extensive has that been on this application I wonder? Because in my opinion the main thing I see here is bolt on parts.
Admittedly the aero has been done up but we are not talking F1 here where they would have to design hundreds of bespoke parts to shove tenths on circuits. They used well proved principles, a big clean with a hidden exhaust diffuser (reminds me of the Clio 197 albeit more sophisticated I do think) and a duct throwing air underneath. Good stuff but not really an earth shuttering development.
All the other parts are after market. Someone would argue about the suspension setup but Renault had done their research with Ohlins on the previous R so they must had lots of data already, tinkering and fine tuning rather than development.
Not convinced on the "non carbon spec" pricing. It's expensive, that doesn't take away the fact that I love the car. But when the Alpine - a car that had TONS of development and started from a clean sheet of paper with all parts being bespoke bar the engine/box - costs £50k I can't see how a beefed up Megane can cost the same, if not more! People argue about the fact that the run is limited, the previous R was as well and it costed £38k.
I also can't see this as a highly bespoke car. Again, the "add on after market parts" argument can be used here. A V6 rear driven example of a hatch is, in fact the RS16 would have been as well. The R5 turbo was, R26R certainly with the cage and the plastic windows. The latest examples are definitely superb products but not highly bespoke. Highly modified maybe?
if you don't think this is highly bespoke (no rear seats; different wheels, brakes,seats, dampers, suspension setup, 4WS deleted, silly decals) then this is a very tough crowd!Admittedly the aero has been done up but we are not talking F1 here where they would have to design hundreds of bespoke parts to shove tenths on circuits. They used well proved principles, a big clean with a hidden exhaust diffuser (reminds me of the Clio 197 albeit more sophisticated I do think) and a duct throwing air underneath. Good stuff but not really an earth shuttering development.
All the other parts are after market. Someone would argue about the suspension setup but Renault had done their research with Ohlins on the previous R so they must had lots of data already, tinkering and fine tuning rather than development.
Not convinced on the "non carbon spec" pricing. It's expensive, that doesn't take away the fact that I love the car. But when the Alpine - a car that had TONS of development and started from a clean sheet of paper with all parts being bespoke bar the engine/box - costs £50k I can't see how a beefed up Megane can cost the same, if not more! People argue about the fact that the run is limited, the previous R was as well and it costed £38k.
I also can't see this as a highly bespoke car. Again, the "add on after market parts" argument can be used here. A V6 rear driven example of a hatch is, in fact the RS16 would have been as well. The R5 turbo was, R26R certainly with the cage and the plastic windows. The latest examples are definitely superb products but not highly bespoke. Highly modified maybe?
Not to everyone's tastes, clearly, but clearly more than just a few halfords vouchers thrown at a Trophy.
I specced a 300 Trophy to 37k with ease - the gap to the base model just doesn't feel unrealistic. Not when you consider parallels to CSLs, GT3s, which like it or not are a parallel. And the 20k to add carbon brakes and wheels is just what they cost - they don;t know they have a Renault badge.
and yes - they struggled to sell the first R26.R. Launched at the peak of the credit crunch, and the first of its genre. Now unless you pick a modified one or a dubious history variant they are all worth more than they cost back then. Trophy R has lost 10 grand admittedly - still a very impressive residual.
These are an incredibly desirable car. But not to everyone. Hence 32 for sale.
So 2.48 at spa is 72k
This was at spa last week 2.50.1
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxJYkZFJxvRXOYy5M...
Caterham has two seats and is road reg and daylight mot. Its in 310r regs trim. Driver is amateur. Cars like this can be bought for c30 new or 18k in good secondhand condition.
Perhaps answer is buy normal rs megane and a caterham ?
This was at spa last week 2.50.1
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxJYkZFJxvRXOYy5M...
Caterham has two seats and is road reg and daylight mot. Its in 310r regs trim. Driver is amateur. Cars like this can be bought for c30 new or 18k in good secondhand condition.
Perhaps answer is buy normal rs megane and a caterham ?
Just a few things to note - thought it would be easier in one post - that come to mind when talking about a £72k Megane (that doesn't happen often, does it?).
1). With opening rear doors but no seats. Why would you have two, rather large, openings in the body shell that effects structural rigidity when they don't need to be there? I know it's based off the normal car, but at the price and what they're trying to achieve..you know..
2). Having £4500 wheels on a Megane is a bit like giving a 7 year old child a Rolex. It is either going to be damaged or stolen, or both. Stupid idea.
3). Surely there aren't 32 people that actually want to spend this money on a hatchback. I used to think £40k is too much for a hatch, but fk me £72k! I don't care how rich you are to afford it, you wouldn't buy it.
4). Imagine going into work
You - "Just picked up my new car"
Margaret from accounts - "oh, what is it?"
You - "Megane"
M from A - "oh, must cost you a bit" (Margaret doesn't know anything about cars)
You - "(clears threat) well, 72 grand"
M from A - " ................."
Change the name and the person for the above - you don't spend £72000 on a Renault Megane, unless it comes with a free Porsche 911.
1). With opening rear doors but no seats. Why would you have two, rather large, openings in the body shell that effects structural rigidity when they don't need to be there? I know it's based off the normal car, but at the price and what they're trying to achieve..you know..
2). Having £4500 wheels on a Megane is a bit like giving a 7 year old child a Rolex. It is either going to be damaged or stolen, or both. Stupid idea.
3). Surely there aren't 32 people that actually want to spend this money on a hatchback. I used to think £40k is too much for a hatch, but f
k me £72k! I don't care how rich you are to afford it, you wouldn't buy it.4). Imagine going into work
You - "Just picked up my new car"
Margaret from accounts - "oh, what is it?"
You - "Megane"
M from A - "oh, must cost you a bit" (Margaret doesn't know anything about cars)
You - "(clears threat) well, 72 grand"
M from A - " ................."
Change the name and the person for the above - you don't spend £72000 on a Renault Megane, unless it comes with a free Porsche 911.
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