I've become bored of cars.
Discussion
Jaguar steve said:
Since you asked, well found, capable and seaworthy, thanks.
No puffed-up pride in ownership or incessant posing and polishing and relentless posting of photos on social media needed to enjoy sailing it either.
It's a win-win.
I appreciate that you think that people only have a non shed to show off. And that's perhaps how you were when you had a nice car. No puffed-up pride in ownership or incessant posing and polishing and relentless posting of photos on social media needed to enjoy sailing it either.
It's a win-win.
But you're wrong.
lornemalvo said:
Nothing more weird than being judgemental of the feelings of others. A previous poster put it better when he mentioned invalidating the feelings of others. We are all different. I am proud that I raided three wonderful girls. I could say that I'm proud that I left school at 15 with nothing but worked my arse off and am now quite well off (not rich but well off). I would not use the word pride for that advancement, possibly satisfaction, but it's only semantics.
Cool story, but if anything you're reinforcing my point...C70R said:
I've never understood this sense of achievement thing in buying something. I don't get people who are 'proud' of their cars.
Be proud of your family, your health, your personal achievements. Don't be proud because you've bought something.
I am pretty sure there is no incompatibility here. It is entirely possible to be proud of something you have bought AND proud of a family, health, achievements. I don't know of a limitation in pride bandwidth. Be proud of your family, your health, your personal achievements. Don't be proud because you've bought something.
nickfrog said:
C70R said:
I've never understood this sense of achievement thing in buying something. I don't get people who are 'proud' of their cars.
Be proud of your family, your health, your personal achievements. Don't be proud because you've bought something.
I am pretty sure there is no incompatibility here. It is entirely possible to be proud of something you have bought AND proud of a family, health, achievements. I don't know of a limitation in pride bandwidth. Be proud of your family, your health, your personal achievements. Don't be proud because you've bought something.
I grew up pretty poor (single income household on a grim estate), and have managed to amass quite a lot of nice material possessions despite no education past 18. I find no pride in the material things I've collected in my life, but instead find pride in what I've achieved.
C70R said:
Eisch, I just don't get it.
I grew up pretty poor (single income household on a grim estate), and have managed to amass quite a lot of nice material possessions despite no education past 18. I find no pride in the material things I've collected in my life, but instead find pride in what I've achieved.
I am pretty sure the two are not incompatible. Everyone is different.I grew up pretty poor (single income household on a grim estate), and have managed to amass quite a lot of nice material possessions despite no education past 18. I find no pride in the material things I've collected in my life, but instead find pride in what I've achieved.
nickfrog said:
C70R said:
Eisch, I just don't get it.
I grew up pretty poor (single income household on a grim estate), and have managed to amass quite a lot of nice material possessions despite no education past 18. I find no pride in the material things I've collected in my life, but instead find pride in what I've achieved.
I am pretty sure the two are not incompatible. Everyone is different.I grew up pretty poor (single income household on a grim estate), and have managed to amass quite a lot of nice material possessions despite no education past 18. I find no pride in the material things I've collected in my life, but instead find pride in what I've achieved.
nickfrog said:
Jaguar steve said:
No puffed-up pride in ownership or incessant posing and polishing and relentless posting of photos on social media needed to enjoy sailing it either.
You still managed to post this pic recently though.
Since you've gone to all the trouble of rooting it out you'll know that was on the retirement thread and very clearly in the context of what people were doing at the time and had absolutely nothing to do with what anybody possessed.
I sure you'd relish proving me wrong though, so do feel free to keep digging around the internet to see if you can find any more...
Jaguar steve said:
Indeed I did.
Since you've gone to all the trouble of rooting it out you'll know that was on the retirement thread and very clearly in the context of what people were doing at the time and had absolutely nothing to do with what anybody possessed.
I sure you'd relish proving me wrong though, so do feel free to keep digging around the internet to see if you can find any more...
Not at all Steve. I was on the retirement thread way before you and remembered your picture when I read your usual rant about people showing off in this thread . What seems to be the problem? One is totally allowed to show off their boat in retirement, I have no issues with that. Since you've gone to all the trouble of rooting it out you'll know that was on the retirement thread and very clearly in the context of what people were doing at the time and had absolutely nothing to do with what anybody possessed.
I sure you'd relish proving me wrong though, so do feel free to keep digging around the internet to see if you can find any more...
C70R said:
Everyone is absolutely different. But I think the two things are incompatible. One is genuine pride, the other is just materialism.
Perhaps people are proud of what owning a thing represents in terms of what they've done to get there. Further, if someone is so passionate about, oh I don't know, let's say something arbitrary like "cars"; to the extent that they've joined a car related forum to talk about cars, it's reasonable to think that if they've got themselves a pretty cool car, they might be proud of it. To broadly label that as simple materialism is to miss the point of it being a passion. Not to mention hugely judgemental.I can understand however why the many people on PH who appear to absolutely hate cars and car enthusiasts, might take issue with that. Although I do wonder why they're here.
Jaguar steve said:
nickfrog said:
Jaguar steve said:
No puffed-up pride in ownership or incessant posing and polishing and relentless posting of photos on social media needed to enjoy sailing it either.
You still managed to post this pic recently though.Since you've gone to all the trouble of rooting it out you'll know that was on the retirement thread and very clearly in the context of what people were doing at the time and had absolutely nothing to do with what anybody possessed.
I sure you'd relish proving me wrong though, so do feel free to keep digging around the internet to see if you can find any more...
t. If that's not showing off on social media, I don't know what is.nickfrog said:
C70R said:
Eisch, I just don't get it.
I grew up pretty poor (single income household on a grim estate), and have managed to amass quite a lot of nice material possessions despite no education past 18. I find no pride in the material things I've collected in my life, but instead find pride in what I've achieved.
I am pretty sure the two are not incompatible. Everyone is different.I grew up pretty poor (single income household on a grim estate), and have managed to amass quite a lot of nice material possessions despite no education past 18. I find no pride in the material things I've collected in my life, but instead find pride in what I've achieved.
otolith said:
I think it's a particular sort of pride that some people take - frequently those who take offence at other people they want to look down upon not owning the equity in their cars - which is that to them their car is a display of wealth. It's like a slightly less gauche way of waving their bank statement under people's noses. That's not a car enthusiast position, that isn't about even the love of the car as a material thing, it's about the car as a status symbol. Each to their own but I think that's quite unhealthy.
Yes sure. It certainly would be although a lot of what you describe is also very often perceived as a silly reverse snobbery which is also all too frequent on PH.But I don't think pride of ownership is necessarily linked to materialism anyway. You could be proud ow owning something that used to be your Dad's car, or Dad's dream car, however humble the car is. You could be proud of owning a car of historical importance or a very quirky car or very rare or whatever. I can think of many cases where materialism isn't involved but pride of ownership definitely is.
Interesting thread.
I have always liked cars, what I don't like NOW is driving, as the vast majority of driving I do is commuting so I have to deal with kids, traffic, idiotic people who do something wrong as they drive. And even pleasure driving is the same.
That after 30 odd years takes every second of fun out of driving.
Cars I appreciate, but my interest in them now purely is concerned with economy, cheapness and not a lot else.
My days of being even slightly interested in what I drive on the road are long behind me.
I have always liked cars, what I don't like NOW is driving, as the vast majority of driving I do is commuting so I have to deal with kids, traffic, idiotic people who do something wrong as they drive. And even pleasure driving is the same.
That after 30 odd years takes every second of fun out of driving.
Cars I appreciate, but my interest in them now purely is concerned with economy, cheapness and not a lot else.
My days of being even slightly interested in what I drive on the road are long behind me.
Car wise the last few years have been dire and it killed a lot of my enthusiasm for it. When I was younger I lived and breathed cars and so did many friends. Most of them have grown up, got married and had kids so none of them bother now and I've lost touch with all that crowd. I impulsively bought a Z4M which I loved but realistically couldn't afford to run so sold for a profit, went to Japan to see the GP and bought a vRS as a stopgap. Overall it was great but every year there was always something to do with it, outside of normal servicing/wear and tear which added up. Was itching to change it but had to be sensible, buy a house and get some stability. It was ideal for tip runs and working with but it became a tool, rather than something I really enjoyed. 8yrs since I got it and it's in the drive, not driven it in 3mths because of an intermittent fault no one seems to be able to diagnose and fix. I can't rely on it to go any sort of distance and I refuse to throw any more money at it so I've been on motorbike every day since February which I've loved and rekindled my enjoyment for riding big time. So many pros, it has it's cons too but it's been good. What I really miss is pushing a car hard and going for morning blasts and exploring by car. Bike is good but my skill level is nowhere near that of the experience I have in a car. I want the chance to get better with both.
With cars and bikes we all chase a moment when everything works on a good road, you are perfectly in tune with it and it feels fantastic. I've not had that feeling in a car for some time and I do miss it. Today this gets harder and harder to achieve with crap road surfaces, traffic, etc but we all try to. Have a GR86 on order which I'm really excited for and see as something I'll keep forever. Once it arrives I'll have best of both worlds. I'm a firm believer in having balance and enough power to have fun with. Lots of power, while fun in a straight line, gets old fast once you can't deploy it all.
With cars and bikes we all chase a moment when everything works on a good road, you are perfectly in tune with it and it feels fantastic. I've not had that feeling in a car for some time and I do miss it. Today this gets harder and harder to achieve with crap road surfaces, traffic, etc but we all try to. Have a GR86 on order which I'm really excited for and see as something I'll keep forever. Once it arrives I'll have best of both worlds. I'm a firm believer in having balance and enough power to have fun with. Lots of power, while fun in a straight line, gets old fast once you can't deploy it all.
I still love cars as much as I always have, although I don't seem to get the same satisfaction from cleaning cars as much as I did when I was younger for some reason. I still get satisfaction from driving a clean car, but I just wish that someone else would clean them for me now though!
Steve is really making me want a nice boat instead now to be fair!!
Steve is really making me want a nice boat instead now to be fair!!
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