Middle Lane Drivers, Do they Ever Notice?
Discussion
911hope said:
But there is little advantage to overtaking, in reality.
If the motorway was full of autonomous cars operating at the optimum speed for the traffic density, then the best flow would be achieved.
The autonomous system wont be tainted with aggression, impatience, errors etc and everyone will benefit.
You are correct that in the short term, it may cause problems, but the reason will be the mix of driver operated and autonomous vehicles.
Once some drivers work out that autonomous cars will avoid accidents, they may be tempted to take advantage of this, for their own advantage. Perhaps with bad outcomes. After-all even autonomous systems cannot change the laws of physics.
Once the road is full of them, there will undoubtedly less accidents of certain types.
To reap the full rewards of autonomous cars (eg high speed platooning), dedicated lanes are necessary. Mixing with manually operated traffic will always present problems.If the motorway was full of autonomous cars operating at the optimum speed for the traffic density, then the best flow would be achieved.
The autonomous system wont be tainted with aggression, impatience, errors etc and everyone will benefit.
You are correct that in the short term, it may cause problems, but the reason will be the mix of driver operated and autonomous vehicles.
Once some drivers work out that autonomous cars will avoid accidents, they may be tempted to take advantage of this, for their own advantage. Perhaps with bad outcomes. After-all even autonomous systems cannot change the laws of physics.
Once the road is full of them, there will undoubtedly less accidents of certain types.
bigothunter said:
To reap the full rewards of autonomous cars (eg high speed platooning), dedicated lanes are necessary. Mixing with manually operated traffic will always present problems.
That's true - the autonomous appliances will stick to the 70 limit and get in the way!Keeping them in dedicated lanes sounds like a good idea.
Mr Tidy said:
bigothunter said:
To reap the full rewards of autonomous cars (eg high speed platooning), dedicated lanes are necessary. Mixing with manually operated traffic will always present problems.
That's true - the autonomous appliances will stick to the 70 limit and get in the way!Keeping them in dedicated lanes sounds like a good idea.
bigothunter said:
An American university constructed a pilot dedicated lane for research purposes - physical barrier separated it from the adjacent lane. Their autonomous cars ran successfully in platoons up to 125mph (platoons reduce overall aero drag). Just imagine that lot rushing past while you drag along at 70mph (or less)
If the clueless numpties were out of the way in the autonomous lanes the rest of us would be able to travel a bit quicker though as they wouldn't be dominating the middle lane any more!Mr Tidy said:
If the clueless numpties were out of the way in the autonomous lanes the rest of us would be able to travel a bit quicker though as they wouldn't be dominating the middle lane any more!
December 1958 saw the opening of Britain's first motorway, promoted as suitable for 100mph cruising. Prospects for national high speed travel were promising aligned to a new exciting era. Just seven years later in December 1965, a Labour government brought this ambition crashing down for very spurious reasons. The old 'Predict & Provide' policy was abandoned, investment lagged demand and we ended up with the crippled network we have today.Too late to worry about this early promise - that horse bolted long ago. Forget manually driven cars which are subject to increasing restriction and lower speed limits. Instead focus on the potential brought by fully autonomous cars. They can provide some relief from the mess we have created. MLMs will not matter anymore - we will all be passengers.
A LOT of the reason that some people sit in the middle lane is that they passed their driving test in another country that, possibly don’t even have three lane roads, have no idea what the Highway Code is and can’t speak English so don’t listen to News/current affairs programs and don’t have passengers to tell them to stop being a 
and move over to the left!
and move over to the left!vonhosen said:
Reads what's there, instead of just making it up.
I said nobody adheres 'all the time'.
You said 'there are many who do'.
I say rubbish.
You then said, you never said never.
But you countered my 'people don't adhere all the time' with 'many here do', so you are saying they never transgress if they do adhere all the time.
You are countering something binary, when I say nobody adheres all the time. You countered it with people do (which you claimed at first & now want to detract from because I suspect you realise the folly of your original position). If you want to say people adhere to it some of the time, we are not disagreeing, but still nobody adheres to it all of the time.
I also never said at all how often I transgress either, so how you can know how regularly I do from me simply stating that nobody adheres to the letter of the HC all the time I really don't know.
As you clearly struggle with reading what others are very clearly saying & also struggle to see what you yourself are saying (& the contradictions in it from one post to the next), I think it unlikely that you have higher functioning abilities such as clairvoyance.
Oh dear, you are one of those kind.I said nobody adheres 'all the time'.
You said 'there are many who do'.
I say rubbish.
You then said, you never said never.
But you countered my 'people don't adhere all the time' with 'many here do', so you are saying they never transgress if they do adhere all the time.
You are countering something binary, when I say nobody adheres all the time. You countered it with people do (which you claimed at first & now want to detract from because I suspect you realise the folly of your original position). If you want to say people adhere to it some of the time, we are not disagreeing, but still nobody adheres to it all of the time.
I also never said at all how often I transgress either, so how you can know how regularly I do from me simply stating that nobody adheres to the letter of the HC all the time I really don't know.
As you clearly struggle with reading what others are very clearly saying & also struggle to see what you yourself are saying (& the contradictions in it from one post to the next), I think it unlikely that you have higher functioning abilities such as clairvoyance.
Edited by vonhosen on Wednesday 17th August 15:41
lizardbrain said:
What interval in your mind would count as excessive weaving?
I had the police at my door once, as "a member of the public had reported me for weaving in and out of traffic" I said "do you mean returning to the left after passing a car?"
The police officer smiled and left......
MDT said:
lizardbrain said:
What interval in your mind would count as excessive weaving?
I had the police at my door once, as "a member of the public had reported me for weaving in and out of traffic" I said "do you mean returning to the left after passing a car?"
The police officer smiled and left......
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kingbeliveble.vonhosen said:
Rubbish.
You never exceeded a speed limit?
At all, ever?
Don't believe you.
Never followed closer than two second gap?
Never, ever at all?
Don't believe you.
Never missed timed a signal?
Never, ever?
Don't believe you.
There are too many things you could have fallen foul of for you to never transgress at all ever.
If you say you never have, you're a fantasist.
Perfection in driving terms does not exist.
Where do you do your Clairvoyance readings? You never exceeded a speed limit?
At all, ever?
Don't believe you.
Never followed closer than two second gap?
Never, ever at all?
Don't believe you.
Never missed timed a signal?
Never, ever?
Don't believe you.
There are too many things you could have fallen foul of for you to never transgress at all ever.
If you say you never have, you're a fantasist.
Perfection in driving terms does not exist.
MightyBadger said:
vonhosen said:
Rubbish.
You never exceeded a speed limit?
At all, ever?
Don't believe you.
Never followed closer than two second gap?
Never, ever at all?
Don't believe you.
Never missed timed a signal?
Never, ever?
Don't believe you.
There are too many things you could have fallen foul of for you to never transgress at all ever.
If you say you never have, you're a fantasist.
Perfection in driving terms does not exist.
Where do you do your Clairvoyance readings? You never exceeded a speed limit?
At all, ever?
Don't believe you.
Never followed closer than two second gap?
Never, ever at all?
Don't believe you.
Never missed timed a signal?
Never, ever?
Don't believe you.
There are too many things you could have fallen foul of for you to never transgress at all ever.
If you say you never have, you're a fantasist.
Perfection in driving terms does not exist.
That you have never transgressed?
MightyBadger said:
Keep arguing with yourself over how you think other people drive if it makes you happy.
I'm not arguing with myself.I made a simple statement that I doubt you'll find many will disagree with.
You disagreed & have trapped yourself in an alley with it.
It's very simple.
I say perfect drivers don't exist, we all fall short at times.
You countered that many do exist.
Only one of us can be correct.
vonhosen said:
MightyBadger said:
Keep arguing with yourself over how you think other people drive if it makes you happy.
I'm not arguing with myself.I made a simple statement that I doubt you'll find many will disagree with.
You disagreed & have trapped yourself in an alley with it.
It's very simple.
I say perfect drivers don't exist, we all fall short at times.
You countered that many do exist.
Only one of us can be correct.
vonhosen said:
What The Deuces said:
vonhosen said:
Only one of us can be correct.
What do you win?It's a discussion on a binary topic, drivers who never transgress the HC either exist or they don't.
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What The Deuces said:
vonhosen said:
What The Deuces said:
vonhosen said:
Only one of us can be correct.
What do you win?It's a discussion on a binary topic, drivers who never transgress the HC either exist or they don't.
Next
They've never transgressed ever?
Don't suppose you could post somewhere just one continuous hour of footage of their driving on a variety of roads.
I'd love to see it because I've never encountered one such driver.
It could prove to be inspirational to others & therefore be of great service.
Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 18th August 11:03
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