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cerb4.5lee said:
I do have a little grumble about it myself to be honest, especially if I've just been out in the M4(a straight 6 cylinder 3.0 twin turbo) and I jump into the 370 afterwards. In my head I think how can a car with a relatively reasonable sized engine(a V6 3.7 litre) have so little torque.
As you say turbos have definitely changed the game in comparison to a lot of NA engines for sure.
~540lb ft in my NA engine, you just need some more cubes Lee, I keep telling you you'd like a Monaro. There's a great looking supercharged one on ebay at the moment... As you say turbos have definitely changed the game in comparison to a lot of NA engines for sure.
To be fair on the model codes, it's a weird gatekeepy part of car culture that shows who is "in" from who is "out", and it has nothing to do with actual EXPERIENCE of cars.
Plenty of people with means will have driven or owned many enthusiast cars, but may not care a jot about chassis codes or trim levels. They just like driving exciting cars.
But geekery is a way for a 20 year old with a Punto to show they are "in" with the knowledge without real experience....just like we enthusiasts like throwing engineering terms around with no actual understanding, because journalists use terms like slippy diff, cross-plane crank or bonded carbon composite in their copy.
Plenty of people with means will have driven or owned many enthusiast cars, but may not care a jot about chassis codes or trim levels. They just like driving exciting cars.
But geekery is a way for a 20 year old with a Punto to show they are "in" with the knowledge without real experience....just like we enthusiasts like throwing engineering terms around with no actual understanding, because journalists use terms like slippy diff, cross-plane crank or bonded carbon composite in their copy.
SturdyHSV said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I do have a little grumble about it myself to be honest, especially if I've just been out in the M4(a straight 6 cylinder 3.0 twin turbo) and I jump into the 370 afterwards. In my head I think how can a car with a relatively reasonable sized engine(a V6 3.7 litre) have so little torque.
As you say turbos have definitely changed the game in comparison to a lot of NA engines for sure.
~540lb ft in my NA engine, you just need some more cubes Lee, I keep telling you you'd like a Monaro. There's a great looking supercharged one on ebay at the moment... As you say turbos have definitely changed the game in comparison to a lot of NA engines for sure.
540Ib/ft must be awesome for sure!
Super Sonic said:
sociopath said:
Any BMW mentioned on PH and apparently you have to mention if its an E46 or an E17 or whatever. No one else outside BMW fanbase knows or cares
fttyAnd, yes I’m very guilty of it.
Court_S said:
Isn’t that the same as any car with a fan base? Loads of people outside of BMW fanboys will talk in chassis codes to differentiate cars (e.g. W204 Mercedes, or B7 RS4 etc).
And, yes I’m very guilty of it.
Oh yes, I'm a Honda fan with a em2, previously owned a ch1 w a H22 ; )And, yes I’m very guilty of it.
ETA wadeski's comment about geekery is spot on
Baldchap said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I look back now and think this about my Dad's 1979 V8 5.0 Mustang(he owned it from 1980 to 1990). It only had 140bhp which doesn't seem very much at all now, however it did have 250ft/Ibs of torque though(that is only 20ft/Ibs less than my 370Z offers now). So it would've felt fairly punchy I would've thought back then to be fair.
The Mustang was also miles quicker at the traffic light GP against the 1982 Escort XR3 that my Dad also had as well. That was a fun day looking back now!
Never realised the 370 had so little torque. Turbos really have changed the game. My 3 cyl 1.6 has similar torque (presumably more 99% of the time). The Mustang was also miles quicker at the traffic light GP against the 1982 Escort XR3 that my Dad also had as well. That was a fun day looking back now!
Current Fiesta ST has about 300 lb/ft at 3000 odd rpm so it’s fairly inevitable that the 350Z feels comparatively flat, still nice though, just different.
tting Peugeot!Super Sonic said:
Court_S said:
Isn’t that the same as any car with a fan base? Loads of people outside of BMW fanboys will talk in chassis codes to differentiate cars (e.g. W204 Mercedes, or B7 RS4 etc).
And, yes I’m very guilty of it.
Oh yes, I'm a Honda fan with a em2, previously owned a ch1 w a H22 ; )And, yes I’m very guilty of it.
ETA wadeski's comment about geekery is spot on
Wadeski said:
To be fair on the model codes, it's a weird gatekeepy part of car culture that shows who is "in" from who is "out", and it has nothing to do with actual EXPERIENCE of cars.
Plenty of people with means will have driven or owned many enthusiast cars, but may not care a jot about chassis codes or trim levels. They just like driving exciting cars.
But geekery is a way for a 20 year old with a Punto to show they are "in" with the knowledge without real experience....just like we enthusiasts like throwing engineering terms around with no actual understanding, because journalists use terms like slippy diff, cross-plane crank or bonded carbon composite in their copy.
Plenty of people with the means are just as geeky!Plenty of people with means will have driven or owned many enthusiast cars, but may not care a jot about chassis codes or trim levels. They just like driving exciting cars.
But geekery is a way for a 20 year old with a Punto to show they are "in" with the knowledge without real experience....just like we enthusiasts like throwing engineering terms around with no actual understanding, because journalists use terms like slippy diff, cross-plane crank or bonded carbon composite in their copy.
Porsche owners talk on model numbers as much as anyone but it does seem that those who know BMW codes that upset people in here the most.
It’s not information that I’ve actively sought out but I do seem to have a knack for remembering useless information; way back I knew the distance between the jockey wheel bolts on a standard Shimano rear derailleur. My mates ripped me for knowing it. I don’t even recall where I came across it!
Court_S said:
Wadeski said:
To be fair on the model codes, it's a weird gatekeepy part of car culture that shows who is "in" from who is "out", and it has nothing to do with actual EXPERIENCE of cars.
Plenty of people with means will have driven or owned many enthusiast cars, but may not care a jot about chassis codes or trim levels. They just like driving exciting cars.
But geekery is a way for a 20 year old with a Punto to show they are "in" with the knowledge without real experience....just like we enthusiasts like throwing engineering terms around with no actual understanding, because journalists use terms like slippy diff, cross-plane crank or bonded carbon composite in their copy.
Plenty of people with the means are just as geeky!Plenty of people with means will have driven or owned many enthusiast cars, but may not care a jot about chassis codes or trim levels. They just like driving exciting cars.
But geekery is a way for a 20 year old with a Punto to show they are "in" with the knowledge without real experience....just like we enthusiasts like throwing engineering terms around with no actual understanding, because journalists use terms like slippy diff, cross-plane crank or bonded carbon composite in their copy.
Porsche owners talk on model numbers as much as anyone but it does seem that those who know BMW codes that upset people in here the most.
It’s not information that I’ve actively sought out but I do seem to have a knack for remembering useless information; way back I knew the distance between the jockey wheel bolts on a standard Shimano rear derailleur. My mates ripped me for knowing it. I don’t even recall where I came across it!
Audi R8 – the everyday supercar…
Original Honda NSX – Ayrton Senna helped develop it…
In defence of using model codes with BMWs, it probably is the most concise way to differentiate between different generations and with many model lines (3/5/7-Series) being so long-lived and evolutionary in styling, how else would you differentiate between them? The American use model years (which don’t necessarily line up with the year in which the car was first registered) but if you said 2006 3-Series here, then that could either be an E46 or an E90 3-Series. I must admit that I’m a little confused with BMW model codes now though. I was good up until E46/E39/E38 but then there started being different codes for different bodystyles (E92 is a coupe, not a saloon you muppet) and then different codes for M cars and then they changed to F numbers and now we’re on G numbers, I’m completely lost!
Not just BMW though, Mercedes-Benz, Porsche and Audi do it too, albeit a bit more logically (although I got confused that an S prefix was a wagon and and a W prefix was a saloon on a Mercedes and Porsche seem to jump around a bit. Not sure what the next gen 911 will be, as 993 is already taken)! VW is a mixed bag, as we use a combination of “Marks” and codes. I’m pretty well up on my “Marks” for Golfs but no idea on Polos and the Passat “B” numbers (B5/B6/B7 etc) seem to have got out of phase with the Audi A4 now, and the last 4 or so Passats have looked exactly the same, so I’m unsure where we’re at on that now . People seem to use model codes for Range Rovers (P38/L322/L405 etc) and Civic Type Rs (EK9/EP3/FN2/FK2/FK8/FL5) too bizarrely but then Ford used “Marks” and that got confusing too, as sometimes a new “Mark” was an all-new model and other times a facelift e.g. mk3/4 and mk5/6 Escorts were the same car, as was mk1/2 and mk3/4/5 Fiestas? I’m still not sure to this day, whether the mk2 Mondeo is the facelifted mk1 or the one that came out in 2000 or so…and don’t get me started on Mark x.5 vehicles. My mk7 Golf is a 2016 registered car but I couldn’t tell you whether it was a mk7 or mk7.5. At least when you say “big ass Megane”, everyone knows the one that you mean!
Original Honda NSX – Ayrton Senna helped develop it…
In defence of using model codes with BMWs, it probably is the most concise way to differentiate between different generations and with many model lines (3/5/7-Series) being so long-lived and evolutionary in styling, how else would you differentiate between them? The American use model years (which don’t necessarily line up with the year in which the car was first registered) but if you said 2006 3-Series here, then that could either be an E46 or an E90 3-Series. I must admit that I’m a little confused with BMW model codes now though. I was good up until E46/E39/E38 but then there started being different codes for different bodystyles (E92 is a coupe, not a saloon you muppet) and then different codes for M cars and then they changed to F numbers and now we’re on G numbers, I’m completely lost!
Not just BMW though, Mercedes-Benz, Porsche and Audi do it too, albeit a bit more logically (although I got confused that an S prefix was a wagon and and a W prefix was a saloon on a Mercedes and Porsche seem to jump around a bit. Not sure what the next gen 911 will be, as 993 is already taken)! VW is a mixed bag, as we use a combination of “Marks” and codes. I’m pretty well up on my “Marks” for Golfs but no idea on Polos and the Passat “B” numbers (B5/B6/B7 etc) seem to have got out of phase with the Audi A4 now, and the last 4 or so Passats have looked exactly the same, so I’m unsure where we’re at on that now . People seem to use model codes for Range Rovers (P38/L322/L405 etc) and Civic Type Rs (EK9/EP3/FN2/FK2/FK8/FL5) too bizarrely but then Ford used “Marks” and that got confusing too, as sometimes a new “Mark” was an all-new model and other times a facelift e.g. mk3/4 and mk5/6 Escorts were the same car, as was mk1/2 and mk3/4/5 Fiestas? I’m still not sure to this day, whether the mk2 Mondeo is the facelifted mk1 or the one that came out in 2000 or so…and don’t get me started on Mark x.5 vehicles. My mk7 Golf is a 2016 registered car but I couldn’t tell you whether it was a mk7 or mk7.5. At least when you say “big ass Megane”, everyone knows the one that you mean!
cerb4.5lee said:
On a similar theme...one of my mates calls me stato because he is always amazed at how many performance figures/stats that I can remember with cars. I'd probably just call me a saddo though instead!
Ha! If i didn't hide from friends how much of a car Rainman i am i would defo be called stato or saddo It’s marginal already 
BananaFama said:
Re 'model codes......"I went out in my C5 yesterday "
Corvette ,Citroen or Sinclair ?
Someone yesterday mentioned their Clubsport S , I had no idea what that was until someone posted a pic of theirs ,a Golf with added yawn !
My first thought on the above was a Porsche 911
Ah, Tesla drivers referring to being out in their M3 yesterday (Tesla Model 3, not a BMW)!Corvette ,Citroen or Sinclair ?
Someone yesterday mentioned their Clubsport S , I had no idea what that was until someone posted a pic of theirs ,a Golf with added yawn !
My first thought on the above was a Porsche 911
Edited by BananaFama on Friday 31st March 15:23
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