Stupid things non petrolheads say... Vol 2

[thewarlock]

What The Deuces said:

I’ll say it again

Weight doesn’t affect top speed. The frictional losses of bearings are so minuscule compared to drag they will have practically zero measurable effect. Assuming gearing is optimal top speed is all about power and drag

If you want to discuss start a separate thread

Edited by What The Deuces on Monday 24th April 19:44

Edited by What The Deuces on Monday 24th April 19:45

Edited by What The Deuces on Monday 24th April 19:52

You can it as many times as you like, doesn't make it true.

Although you do appear to be backtracking slightly, from 'gotcha' to 'yeah well its a really small difference'

Still, your contributions are definitely in the right thread

[What The Deuces]

thewarlock said:

What The Deuces said:

I’ll say it again

Weight doesn’t affect top speed. The frictional losses of bearings are so minuscule compared to drag they will have practically zero measurable effect. Assuming gearing is optimal top speed is all about power and drag

If you want to discuss start a separate thread

Edited by What The Deuces on Monday 24th April 19:44

Edited by What The Deuces on Monday 24th April 19:45

Edited by What The Deuces on Monday 24th April 19:52

You can it as many times as you like, doesn't make it true.

Although you do appear to be backtracking slightly, from 'gotcha' to 'yeah well its a really small difference'

Still, your contributions are definitely in the right thread

You’re talking drivel and you know it. It’s so massively far removed from the point I made originally. Adding weight to a car makes absolutely no difference to top speed … look at the magnitude of frictional losses from bearings vs the magnitude of drag and how drag increases.

For all practical intent weight makes fk all difference and you’ll find a thousand articles telling you just that.

You’ve been caught out asking a stupid question .

If we were talking about acceleration then we’d have something to chat about but over 100kph ish again weight is not really a factor.

It’s a common mistake to make

Edited by What The Deuces on Monday 24th April 20:04

Edited by What The Deuces on Monday 24th April 20:06

Edited by What The Deuces on Tuesday 25th April 08:17

[Nomme de Plum]

thewarlock said:

You can it as many times as you like, doesn't make it true.

Although you do appear to be backtracking slightly, from 'gotcha' to 'yeah well its a really small difference'

Still, your contributions are definitely in the right thread

He is completely out of his depth. A difference is a difference no matter how negligable.

There is little point in engaging as engineering cannot trump self belief.

At the beginning I asked for evidence of the assertion. None came..

The rest does not matter really.

[Nomme de Plum]

What The Deuces said:

You’re talking drivel and you know it. It’s so massively far removed from the point I made originally. Adding weight to a car makes absolutely no difference to top speed … look at the magnitude of frictional losses from eating vs the magnitude of drag and how drag increases.

For all practical intent weight makes fk all difference and you’ll find a thousand articles telling you just that.

You’ve been caught out asking a stupid question .

If we were talking about acceleration then we’d have something to chat about but over 100kph ish again weight is not really a factor.

It’s a common mistake to make

Edited by What The Deuces on Monday 24th April 20:04

Edited by What The Deuces on Monday 24th April 20:06

I'm sorry but for a given amount of input energy is does make a difference.

[thewarlock]

What The Deuces said:

You’re talking drivel and you know it. It’s so massively far removed from the point I made originally. Adding weight to a car makes absolutely no difference to top speed … look at the magnitude of frictional losses from eating vs the magnitude of drag and how drag increases.

For all practical intent weight makes fk all difference and you’ll find a thousand articles telling you just that.

You’ve been caught out asking a stupid question .

If we were talking about acceleration then we’d have something to chat about but over 100kph ish again weight is not really a factor.

It’s a common mistake to make

Edited by What The Deuces on Monday 24th April 20:04

Edited by What The Deuces on Monday 24th April 20:06

Kinda like I suspected, it was futile.

Have a good day buddy.

[WarrenB]

Nomme de Plum said:

I'm sorry but for a given amount of input energy is does make a difference.

The amount of energy input into this thread over the last few pages has certainly made a difference. It's ruined it.

[What The Deuces]

thewarlock said:

What The Deuces said:

You’re talking drivel and you know it. It’s so massively far removed from the point I made originally. Adding weight to a car makes absolutely no difference to top speed … look at the magnitude of frictional losses from eating vs the magnitude of drag and how drag increases.

For all practical intent weight makes fk all difference and you’ll find a thousand articles telling you just that.

You’ve been caught out asking a stupid question .

If we were talking about acceleration then we’d have something to chat about but over 100kph ish again weight is not really a factor.

It’s a common mistake to make

Edited by What The Deuces on Monday 24th April 20:04

Edited by What The Deuces on Monday 24th April 20:06

Kinda like I suspected, it was futile.

Have a good day buddy.

Ask yourself why dragsters are light and land speed record cars are heavy ;-)

Enjoy your noddy degree

[thewarlock]

What The Deuces said:

Ask yourself why dragsters are light and land speed record cars are heavy ;-)

Enjoy your noddy degree

Another perfect post for this thread

Seriously though, please stop now. Keep believing whatever you like, but stop spewing it here.

[What The Deuces]

thewarlock said:

What The Deuces said:

Ask yourself why dragsters are light and land speed record cars are heavy ;-)

Enjoy your noddy degree

Another perfect post for this thread

Seriously though, please stop now. Keep believing whatever you like, but stop spewing it here.

I'll bite because you're typical of a few posters on here.

The usual way in England is to have to disprove something.

You have a mechanical engineering degree and claim you know what you're talking about



So

A 1400kg car with a cd of 0.32 and 200bhp has a top speed of 145mph

add 300kg in the boot.

How much slower is the top speed....given your degree and your mass of knowledge this should be a piece of cake with the way you're talking to me.



i'm happy for you to assume optimum gearing to remove the variability of the gearbox.

[thewarlock]

What The Deuces said:

I'll bite because you're typical of a few posters on here.

The usual way in England is to have to disprove something.

You have a mechanical engineering degree and claim you know what you're talking about



So

A 1400kg car with a cd of 0.32 and 200bhp has a top speed of 145mph

add 300kg in the boot.

How much slower is the top speed....given your degree and your mass of knowledge this should be a piece of cake with the way you're talking to me.



i'm happy for you to assume optimum gearing to remove the variability of the gearbox.

No, if you make a claim, it's not up to someone else to disprove it, in England, where I am, or anywhere else. You have to back up your claim with more than just a "LMGTGY" that disproves your claim.

Please, for the love of God, take this elsewhere.

You belittle me, my qualifications, tell me I'm talking drivel, and now you want me to explain it to you?

This is my last post on this subject. You want to talk about it, like you said, go start another thread, I'd be happy to explain it for you there.

[Blown2CV]

moktabe said:

CalisenQX said:

Christ, give it a rest guys

Fat chance of that mate.

The plug-heads are infesting virtually every thread on PH, strangely enough is always the same 5 or 6 of them.

Oh, they also like graphs.

plug heads

Is it only Tesla drivers who act like such brash classless chads who are simultaneously tedious accountant types, or could it be any EV owner

[Speed addicted]

Blown2CV said:

plug heads

Is it only Tesla drivers who act like such brash classless chads who are simultaneously tedious accountant types, or could it be any EV owner

I find that Tesla in particular seems to attract fanboys that get obsessed with the greatness of the brand and feel the need to voice an opinion and put down everything else.

I’m not particularly anti EV and would consider one if it suited my needs, but I’m really put off Tesla due to a mix of design, apparent build quality, fanboys and the childish nature of some of the features.
I don’t care if it’s hugely fast over short distances in a straight line, if I want to go properly fast I’ve got motorbikes in the garage.

[Blown2CV]

Speed addicted said:

Blown2CV said:

plug heads

Is it only Tesla drivers who act like such brash classless chads who are simultaneously tedious accountant types, or could it be any EV owner

I find that Tesla in particular seems to attract fanboys that get obsessed with the greatness of the brand and feel the need to voice an opinion and put down everything else.

I’m not particularly anti EV and would consider one if it suited my needs, but I’m really put off Tesla due to a mix of design, apparent build quality, fanboys and the childish nature of some of the features.
I don’t care if it’s hugely fast over short distances in a straight line, if I want to go properly fast I’ve got motorbikes in the garage.

couldn't agree more. I think Tesla people like to think they are basically the same as Elon Musk.. believing they are the cleverest, funniest and most successful person in the room at all times. I'd consider just about any other EV but never Tesla for all the same reasons you state above.

[Nomme de Plum]

Blown2CV said:

Speed addicted said:

Blown2CV said:

plug heads

Is it only Tesla drivers who act like such brash classless chads who are simultaneously tedious accountant types, or could it be any EV owner

I find that Tesla in particular seems to attract fanboys that get obsessed with the greatness of the brand and feel the need to voice an opinion and put down everything else.

I’m not particularly anti EV and would consider one if it suited my needs, but I’m really put off Tesla due to a mix of design, apparent build quality, fanboys and the childish nature of some of the features.
I don’t care if it’s hugely fast over short distances in a straight line, if I want to go properly fast I’ve got motorbikes in the garage.

couldn't agree more. I think Tesla people like to think they are basically the same as Elon Musk.. believing they are the cleverest, funniest and most successful person in the room at all times. I'd consider just about any other EV but never Tesla for all the same reasons you state above.

Interesting, lots of speculation and projection there. The Tesla owners I know have zero interest in talking about themselves or their cars at all. Now I appreciate the sample size is only 8 so hardly representative of the whole.

Could it be the type of people you mix with?

99% of the population could not care less what is under the bonnet as long as it works.

You have years to come to terms with what the future of motor transport will look like.

[Peanut Gallery]

My car is faster than yours because my speedo goes all the way to 180mph, yours only goes to 160mph.

(OK, we were joking about old school jokes, so it was said in jest, but!)

[carlo996]

Nomme de Plum said:

Interesting, lots of speculation and projection there. The Tesla owners I know have zero interest in talking about themselves or their cars at all. Now I appreciate the sample size is only 8 so hardly representative of the whole.

Could it be the type of people you mix with?

99% of the population could not care less what is under the bonnet as long as it works.

You have years to come to terms with what the future of motor transport will look like.

I have had more Tesla's try to 'race' on the road than any other type of EV, or car. It's a thing with them for some reason

[Nomme de Plum]

carlo996 said:

I have had more Tesla's try to 'race' on the road than any other type of EV, or car. It's a thing with them for some reason

Who are they racing?

[Freddie Fitch]

OMG
Six pages of electric bolx now.
Please stop it guys.

[Blown2CV]

carlo996 said:

Nomme de Plum said:

Interesting, lots of speculation and projection there. The Tesla owners I know have zero interest in talking about themselves or their cars at all. Now I appreciate the sample size is only 8 so hardly representative of the whole.

Could it be the type of people you mix with?

99% of the population could not care less what is under the bonnet as long as it works.

You have years to come to terms with what the future of motor transport will look like.

I have had more Tesla's try to 'race' on the road than any other type of EV, or car. It's a thing with them for some reason

same. Always flooring it off in quite unsafe situations.

[SlimJim16v]

Watching Worlds Greatest Cars, Mike Brewer and the usual experts.
Apparently the Audi Quattro can go sideways without losing traction.
The McLaren F1 uses gold leaf because it's a good conductor of heat, and they used a normally aspirated engine so it would have instant throttle response, unlike a supercharged one.

There's probably more in there.