RE: New Ginetta G60 Road Car Revealed
Discussion
GhostDriver said:
kambites said:
You do know there are two Ginettas? Car manufacturers are allowed to have more than one model. G60 - 68k; G40R - 30k. 
Err yeah, but this is the G60 thread, I thought the thread would be to discuss the car in question.But if your asking me, this is what the G40 should have been (in my perfect little world of course)
kambites said:
DonkeyApple said:
People who buy on merit are in a minority that is so small that it is hard to build any kind of business model around them today. Image is everything.
True, but are there 50 of them a year in the market for an 80k sports car? 
Having said that, I do suspect that the previous price level showed that there were not at that level, hence all the goodies stripped out to improve margins and also lower the price into another target zone.
As someone already alluded to many conventional modern cars are in the £30-£50k bracket so the price seems very fair and I think that as LNT continues to alter and grow the brand of Ginetta as a whole there will be more people tempted away from other marques.
I came within a gnat's whisker of buying one when it was a Farbio. I had 3 problems.
1: The car was named after a tacky, low rent Italian porn actor. I'm not really an image person but I found the name moronic for an English sportscar.
2: When I first sat in the car it was a wonderful space to be in but when I drove it the controls didn't seem to be in the natural place.
3: While I was contemplating the first two points my wife announced that we were about to have an addition to the family.
I believe the first 2 concerns have been resolved by the company and I resolved the 3rd one by buying the Typhon instead.
I think it's a lovely looking car, and I think Ginetta have done the right thing with it. I really hope they achieve a good backlog.
Look I like the g40, not my cup of Tea, but its an intersting car.
I also like Ginetta as a company, and I really hope they sell all the G60s they are hoping too.
My orginal post was a basic comment on how I was hoping they would produce cars like the g40, but they have gone up the price scale. Never have I said that I didnt like this car.
Can we move on now?
I also like Ginetta as a company, and I really hope they sell all the G60s they are hoping too.
My orginal post was a basic comment on how I was hoping they would produce cars like the g40, but they have gone up the price scale. Never have I said that I didnt like this car.
Can we move on now?
_Neal_ said:
Yes, in my view it would. This isn't meant to be a track special, it's a road car, so servo'd brakes would be fine, and there are plenty of well-judged systems out there. I'm not good enough to feel the threshold of braking grip through the pedal on track, let alone on the road.
And as this is a road car, it should be assumed that it will be driven gently now and again, perhaps in the rain, pootling back from a lunch with the in-laws or similar, or even (heaven forbid) by the owner's wife/girlfriend/boyfriend, who isn't that keen a driver. No ABS therefore strikes me as a backwards step.
I think you're overstating the importance of ABS there. There's the also the pragmatic matter of developing an ABS system for a car produced in such low numbers.And as this is a road car, it should be assumed that it will be driven gently now and again, perhaps in the rain, pootling back from a lunch with the in-laws or similar, or even (heaven forbid) by the owner's wife/girlfriend/boyfriend, who isn't that keen a driver. No ABS therefore strikes me as a backwards step.
I think this car's USP is that it is basically the most 'analogue' high performance car you can buy (although drive-by-wire throttle goes in the face of that a bit). A big part of that is non-servo brakes. It helps to separate the car from stuff like GTRs and to a small extent, the new Exige.
There is a market for this sort of car. It's why some people prefer impact bumper or 993 911s over newer versions, or why some prefer 996 GT3s to the 997 GT3s, or why some people love Caterfields and S1 Elises.
Analogue and lightweight, but civilised. And 300hp/ton quick. Sounds alright to me and it's a welcome addition to the new car market.
kambites said:
Fair enough, I think we were just a bit confused as to why you seemed to want Ginetta to want to build a direct competitor for their only existing car.
Or to use their existing Car to produce something £10k more expensive, with a proper paint finish, and a road car you could use on the track, rather than the other way around.Apologies if I didnt explain, but that was what I actually meant.
Schnellmann said:
No PAS, no driving aids and no servo on brakes all good...but not so sure about lack of ABS and much less sure about lack of a/c. If you have a long session on track or a long drive on the road (and you are working the car hard) a/c is a definite boon. I wonder whether that is an option?
It comes with Climate Control.Well done to Ginetta/LNT group from me, what's wrong with everyone wanting extra driver aids and comparing with GTRs no-one used to say much about TVR. Buy a luxo barge instead if that's what floats your boat.
If I had the money and if I fitted in the car I would buy one but I might ask for some more ponies.
If I had the money and if I fitted in the car I would buy one but I might ask for some more ponies.
GhostDriver said:
kambites said:
Fair enough, I think we were just a bit confused as to why you seemed to want Ginetta to want to build a direct competitor for their only existing car.
Or to use their existing Car to produce something £10k more expensive, with a proper paint finish, and a road car you could use on the track, rather than the other way around.Apologies if I didnt explain, but that was what I actually meant.
Maybe Ginetta will bring out a 'Monaco' edition later on to cater for the Rolex market?
LNT is a Yorkshireman so must have that underlying, supressed desire to have it gilded and kitted out like a tart's emporium.
GhostDriver said:
Or to use their existing Car to produce something £10k more expensive, with a proper paint finish, and a road car you could use on the track, rather than the other way around.
Apologies if I didnt explain, but that was what I actually meant.
Given that Ginetta are such a small company, they might well be willing for you to intercept the car mid-build and get it sprayed by a company of your own choice, and indeed to fettle the interior and NVH to compromise weight for luxury, if you really wanted to? I don't know though, I'm only guessing. Apologies if I didnt explain, but that was what I actually meant.
braddo said:
I think you're overstating the importance of ABS there. There's the also the pragmatic matter of developing an ABS system for a car produced in such low numbers.
I think this car's USP is that it is basically the most 'analogue' high performance car you can buy (although drive-by-wire throttle goes in the face of that a bit). A big part of that is non-servo brakes. It helps to separate the car from stuff like GTRs and to a small extent, the new Exige.
There is a market for this sort of car. It's why some people prefer impact bumper or 993 911s over newer versions, or why some prefer 996 GT3s to the 997 GT3s, or why some people love Caterfields and S1 Elises.
Analogue and lightweight, but civilised. And 300hp/ton quick. Sounds alright to me and it's a welcome addition to the new car market.
I'm not saying the lack of aids/analogue nature isn't a USP, but I am saying it seems a retrograde and unnecessary step in a near £70k car that's road-biaised. I've never driven a car with servo'd brakes and thought "I wish these were unservo'd" (and I have driven cars with unservo'd systems) but that's just me. I think this car's USP is that it is basically the most 'analogue' high performance car you can buy (although drive-by-wire throttle goes in the face of that a bit). A big part of that is non-servo brakes. It helps to separate the car from stuff like GTRs and to a small extent, the new Exige.
There is a market for this sort of car. It's why some people prefer impact bumper or 993 911s over newer versions, or why some prefer 996 GT3s to the 997 GT3s, or why some people love Caterfields and S1 Elises.
Analogue and lightweight, but civilised. And 300hp/ton quick. Sounds alright to me and it's a welcome addition to the new car market.
They've presumably spent a fair amount developing fly-by-wire throttle maps...
DonkeyApple said:
GhostDriver said:
kambites said:
Fair enough, I think we were just a bit confused as to why you seemed to want Ginetta to want to build a direct competitor for their only existing car.
Or to use their existing Car to produce something £10k more expensive, with a proper paint finish, and a road car you could use on the track, rather than the other way around.Apologies if I didnt explain, but that was what I actually meant.
Maybe Ginetta will bring out a 'Monaco' edition later on to cater for the Rolex market?
LNT is a Yorkshireman so must have that underlying, supressed desire to have it gilded and kitted out like a tart's emporium.
_Neal_ said:
I've never driven a car with servo'd brakes and thought "I wish these were unservo'd" ...
I've driven a few modern cars with servo'd brakes and often thought "I wish these were less servo'd". I guess they're like power steering - good systems exist but ultimately they can't match non-assisted systems for the best feel.
This car sounds a lot like the Artega GT
Similar power, cylinder count, performance, weight, price and vaugely similar looks.
Yet it has a more 'finished' interior, aircon, DSG gearbox, ABS, TC etc (regardless of weather or not you want these things in your sports car, it certainly helps them to sell).
Be interesting to see how many Artegas have been built.
Similar power, cylinder count, performance, weight, price and vaugely similar looks.
Yet it has a more 'finished' interior, aircon, DSG gearbox, ABS, TC etc (regardless of weather or not you want these things in your sports car, it certainly helps them to sell).
Be interesting to see how many Artegas have been built.
grahamw48 said:
DonkeyApple said:
GhostDriver said:
kambites said:
Fair enough, I think we were just a bit confused as to why you seemed to want Ginetta to want to build a direct competitor for their only existing car.
Or to use their existing Car to produce something £10k more expensive, with a proper paint finish, and a road car you could use on the track, rather than the other way around.Apologies if I didnt explain, but that was what I actually meant.
Maybe Ginetta will bring out a 'Monaco' edition later on to cater for the Rolex market?
LNT is a Yorkshireman so must have that underlying, supressed desire to have it gilded and kitted out like a tart's emporium.
angusfaldo said:
I also like it, a lot. But I wish Ginetta would do something with their badges. The font they use for the badge reminds me of a low budget 70s metal band's album cover and adds cheapness, imho..
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