RE: SOTW: Peugeot 306 GTI-6
Discussion
BarryGibb said:
I recall Autocar having a VTS long termer that did under 17 seconds to 100 when properly run in. I couldn't believe it so wrote to them and they confirmed the numbers were genuine
Did you seriously write to them to question their results?!I can see it now.
Dear Sirs
How is it possible that a French car can be that fast. I refute your suggestion because French cars have rubbish electrics and are made from tin. They should stick to making cheese.
Your in disbelief
Barry Gibb
R0B. said:
B Huey said:
Strange, given the BX has 7 less BHP yet weighs 170kgs less.
BX 0-60 7.5s, Pug 8.5s
BX 0-100 20s, Pug 22s
Interesting figuresBX 0-60 7.5s, Pug 8.5s
BX 0-100 20s, Pug 22s
Evo Mag managed 0-60 in 7.2 and 100 in 20.1 in the gti-6 with the Rallye being slightly quicker(6.9&19.2)
Parkers quote the Xsara VTS as being half a second quicker to 60 than the Pug. Not sure why.
Autocar roadtest says 7.9 for the 306.
I had a Citroen ZX 16 Valve after the BX, that was slow in comparison. The ZX was basically a 306 S16, but not as heavy.
Baz Tench said:
B Huey said:
Parkers quote 8.5s. The 306 is surprisingly lardy.
The 135bhp 2.0 xsi is quoted at over 10s to 60
I think Parkers are pretty wide of the mark there.The 135bhp 2.0 xsi is quoted at over 10s to 60
As confirmed above, I remember the gti-6 achieving 60 in 7.2 seconds in all the reviews at the time. I'm also certain that the 135bhp xsi was around the 8.5 secs. mark.
Baz Tench said:
I think Parkers are pretty wide of the mark there.
As confirmed above, I remember the gti-6 achieving 60 in 7.2 seconds in all the reviews at the time. I'm also certain that the 135bhp xsi was around the 8.5 secs. mark.
Autocar roadtest says 7.9.As confirmed above, I remember the gti-6 achieving 60 in 7.2 seconds in all the reviews at the time. I'm also certain that the 135bhp xsi was around the 8.5 secs. mark.
7.2 to 60 is quick for a car with 140bhp/ton.
Excellent shed with what looks like all the major bits done. I bought a c.100k miler GTI-6 18 months ago for just over 1100 quid, and it was a great track car, although not cheap to run (needed the rear beam sorting after a few trackdays and consumption wasn't great) but was otherwise very reliable over c.6k miles and 5 trackdays.
Solid engine mounts meant there was quite a lot of of noise/vibration transmitted into the cabin, and had you constantly reaching for a non-existent 7th gear on the motorway, but the gearbox was very tight and slick, and it was decently quick. As mentioned above, it definitely had lift-off oversteer - I also had that Revs article - maroon GTI-6 backwards through a dry-stone wall, if I recall correctly.
As to GTI-6 vs Rallye, whilst the Rallye has more of a "cool" factor, prices are strong for only a 40kg difference and less toys, so I'd go for the GTI-6 every time. Good guys and lots of great info over on 306gti6.com too, as mentioned.
Solid engine mounts meant there was quite a lot of of noise/vibration transmitted into the cabin, and had you constantly reaching for a non-existent 7th gear on the motorway, but the gearbox was very tight and slick, and it was decently quick. As mentioned above, it definitely had lift-off oversteer - I also had that Revs article - maroon GTI-6 backwards through a dry-stone wall, if I recall correctly.
As to GTI-6 vs Rallye, whilst the Rallye has more of a "cool" factor, prices are strong for only a 40kg difference and less toys, so I'd go for the GTI-6 every time. Good guys and lots of great info over on 306gti6.com too, as mentioned.
I can testiment to their build quality and possibly the shortest life of the GTI-6.
A work colleague had one of these on order, picked it up on day of release. We were in Runcorn on the bypass approximately 30 minutes after picking it up. He drove so fast but failed to pay attention to the central barrier. He drifted onto the white paint/graven which put the car into an instant spin. The car bounced around and hit the reservation with enough force that the front of the car was obliterated.
The car was a write off, we walked away unscathed from a crash that happend at the top end speed of whatever this car would manage. Back in the day this was a formidable car but I would suspect the rose tinted glasses will ensure it handled better than it actually did.
A work colleague had one of these on order, picked it up on day of release. We were in Runcorn on the bypass approximately 30 minutes after picking it up. He drove so fast but failed to pay attention to the central barrier. He drifted onto the white paint/graven which put the car into an instant spin. The car bounced around and hit the reservation with enough force that the front of the car was obliterated.
The car was a write off, we walked away unscathed from a crash that happend at the top end speed of whatever this car would manage. Back in the day this was a formidable car but I would suspect the rose tinted glasses will ensure it handled better than it actually did.
_Neal_ said:
As to GTI-6 vs Rallye, whilst the Rallye has more of a "cool" factor, prices are strong for only a 40kg difference and less toys, so I'd go for the GTI-6 every time. Good guys and lots of great info over on 306gti6.com too, as mentioned.
Ironic that the Rallye still weighs over 100kgs more than the BX, which was one of the best equipped cars I've ever owned.B Huey said:
_Neal_ said:
As to GTI-6 vs Rallye, whilst the Rallye has more of a "cool" factor, prices are strong for only a 40kg difference and less toys, so I'd go for the GTI-6 every time. Good guys and lots of great info over on 306gti6.com too, as mentioned.
Ironic that the Rallye still weighs over 100kgs more than the BX, which was one of the best equipped cars I've ever owned.The 306 will be quicker than the BX
B Huey said:
_Neal_ said:
As to GTI-6 vs Rallye, whilst the Rallye has more of a "cool" factor, prices are strong for only a 40kg difference and less toys, so I'd go for the GTI-6 every time. Good guys and lots of great info over on 306gti6.com too, as mentioned.
Ironic that the Rallye still weighs over 100kgs more than the BX, which was one of thebest equipped cars I've ever owned.Pug massaged the figures well it seems, a Xsara VTS was about twice as much to insure for me when I were a young scally
johnpeat said:
CampDavid said:
No where near the same level, though not as bad as some think.
206s are more fragile (a trend in all Peugeots, sadly) and they have a driving position from hell.The 306 isn't brilliant for the long-of-leg (the wheel doesn't move enough) but the 206 is positively painful thanks to a weirdly set (high) seat.
CampDavid said:
Citroen do there tests with a lightweight driver and a cup full of fuel, Peugeot do it 4 up with a full tank and Brian Blessed at the wheel.
The 306 will be quicker than the BX
It's no accident the BX is so light. All aluminium engine, plastic bonnet, boot lid and some panels.The 306 will be quicker than the BX
Wikipedia says 0-60 in 7.4 and 140 top speed. I'd go along with that.
GTiFrank said:
The 206 driving position does take some getting used too, not helped by the ridiculous levers the french love to adjust the seats. Its painful if your drive it for more than 3 hours, but I find most cars of this size are.
I also found that with the 206 the pedals are very close together. I could live with it in my Saxo VTR, but that was a better car than a 206 so I'd be more inclined to put up with it!HereBeMonsters said:
Baz Tench said:
B Huey said:
Parkers quote 8.5s. The 306 is surprisingly lardy.
The 135bhp 2.0 xsi is quoted at over 10s to 60
I think Parkers are pretty wide of the mark there.The 135bhp 2.0 xsi is quoted at over 10s to 60
As confirmed above, I remember the gti-6 achieving 60 in 7.2 seconds in all the reviews at the time. I'm also certain that the 135bhp xsi was around the 8.5 secs. mark.
Seems like even the manufacturers tell porkies to the insurance bods
Boy, theres some rubbish being spouted on here. Saxo VTS, o-100 in 17 when run in? no it didnt! I had that issue and when run in, it did 0-100 in about 21 secs as I recall. Slower than a BX 16 Valve? No it wasnt, Autocar had both cars doing 0-60 in 7.9 secs (100 in 21.5-Pug) and 30-70 in 7.4 secs. The autocar car test was in damp conditions, hence there's were the slowest times anyone got. Car did 0-60 in 7.4 and 0-100 in 20.2. Performance car managed 7.2 secs and 20.1 so that guys is what the GTI-6 does in the dry.
The GTi-6 WAS the quickest hot hatch in the late 90s, read the 13 car hothatch test from Performance car issue Jan 98, if you dont believe me. Due to insurance restrictions, hot hatch performance did stay fairly constant from about 1988 through to the Clio 172 and Civic Type R.
Nothing wrong with Peugeot durability. Look how many old 306s are still going, how many 1990s alfas do you see? Our 205 GTI is 21 years old, yes they all rattle and feel flimsy, but cheap plastics aside, pugs are very sturdy cars.
the GTI-6 drove and handled beautifully. Ride quality way above any modern hot hatch. For £895 you've got a steal!!
The GTi-6 WAS the quickest hot hatch in the late 90s, read the 13 car hothatch test from Performance car issue Jan 98, if you dont believe me. Due to insurance restrictions, hot hatch performance did stay fairly constant from about 1988 through to the Clio 172 and Civic Type R.
Nothing wrong with Peugeot durability. Look how many old 306s are still going, how many 1990s alfas do you see? Our 205 GTI is 21 years old, yes they all rattle and feel flimsy, but cheap plastics aside, pugs are very sturdy cars.
the GTI-6 drove and handled beautifully. Ride quality way above any modern hot hatch. For £895 you've got a steal!!
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