RE: Dacia Duster

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300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

191 months

Friday 11th January 2013
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kambites said:
ASR is a £350 option in the UK.

ETA: There's a configurator on their website with all this on.
Had a look, finding the site not so easy to use. I can't see an ASR option on it. There seems to be 4 options packs:

Touring pack
£550.00

£445.00
Adventurer pack

£575.00
Protection pack

£655.00
Styling pack (access)


But despite them looking like links I can't drill down or find out what each pack contains.


The only think I have found is ASR seems to only be optional on the more expensive Ambiance and Lauréate models not the more basic Access frown

kambites

67,666 posts

222 months

Friday 11th January 2013
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300bhp/ton said:
The only think I have found is ASR seems to only be optional on the more expensive Ambiance and Lauréate models not the more basic Access frown
Ah, that sounds possible. I just clicked on the diesel that's already configured as 4x4 so I didn't have to faff about selecting it. smile

Bill

53,001 posts

256 months

Friday 11th January 2013
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kambites said:
300bhp/ton said:
The only think I have found is ASR seems to only be optional on the more expensive Ambiance and Lauréate models not the more basic Access frown
Ah, that sounds possible. I just clicked on the diesel that's already configured as 4x4 so I didn't have to faff about selecting it. smile
Irritating. I wonder if it can be retrofitted, because I can't see many people speccing it from new.

croyde

23,072 posts

231 months

Friday 11th January 2013
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I have the image in my head of setting the cheapest 2 wheel drive one and getting it stuck in a slightly muddy field when taking the kids camping biggrin

But £2k more for a complicated, could go wrong 4x4 version that has an ability, that to be honest, I would probably never need.

Scotty2

1,279 posts

267 months

Friday 11th January 2013
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I ordered one in August (Diesel with Silver paint and towing pack Laureate) for just over £15k with extended warranty.

Due 21st Dec. Now been told it will be Feb/March before I get it! The options for the bling bars seem too dear and I will look at retrofitting them myself for much less as previous pages. Just wondering about rustproofing....

THey must have loads of orders because when I tried the "As you are so late with the order, what are you going to give me for being so patient?" - "You can have your deposit back if you wish to cancel as we have a waiting list..."

Not much negotiating room, but I could mabe sell on at a premium..mmmm....


300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

191 months

Friday 11th January 2013
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Bill said:
kambites said:
300bhp/ton said:
The only think I have found is ASR seems to only be optional on the more expensive Ambiance and Lauréate models not the more basic Access frown
Ah, that sounds possible. I just clicked on the diesel that's already configured as 4x4 so I didn't have to faff about selecting it. smile
Irritating. I wonder if it can be retrofitted, because I can't see many people speccing it from new.
A bit of a shame for us off roaders, it's like the early Freelanders where the TCS was optional, so most of the cheap L Series diesels don't have it and are comparatively useless off road compared to ones equipped with it.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

191 months

Friday 11th January 2013
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Scotty2 said:
Just wondering about rustproofing....
Waxoyl it. PM if interested as I may be able to help out.

HTP99

22,665 posts

141 months

Friday 11th January 2013
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Scotty2 said:
I ordered one in August (Diesel with Silver paint and towing pack Laureate) for just over £15k with extended warranty.

Due 21st Dec. Now been told it will be Feb/March before I get it! The options for the bling bars seem too dear and I will look at retrofitting them myself for much less as previous pages. Just wondering about rustproofing....

THey must have loads of orders because when I tried the "As you are so late with the order, what are you going to give me for being so patient?" - "You can have your deposit back if you wish to cancel as we have a waiting list..."

Not much negotiating room, but I could mabe sell on at a premium..mmmm....
Dusters were never December, they were always end of Jan for the first pre-orders and then that was revised in December to end of Feb/March.

Bill

53,001 posts

256 months

Friday 11th January 2013
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300bhp/ton said:
A bit of a shame for us off roaders, it's like the early Freelanders where the TCS was optional, so most of the cheap L Series diesels don't have it and are comparatively useless off road compared to ones equipped with it.
yes Even as someone who isn't really an "off-roader" it's useful. I pulled off the road this morning to get out of the way of a tanker and needed* low range in a Disco with TC to get out redface


*I could have got out without, but it made life much easier...

kambites

67,666 posts

222 months

Friday 11th January 2013
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I think EU type approval now requires stability control to be fitted to all cars? If that is the case, they'll need to make it standard if they have to re-approve the car for some reason.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

191 months

Friday 11th January 2013
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kambites said:
I think EU type approval now requires stability control to be fitted to all cars? If that is the case, they'll need to make it standard if they have to re-approve the car for some reason.
I'm not sure how the system works on the Duster, but for off road it's not about stability, but promoting grip. The difference is off road you don't want it to kill power, all you want it to do is brake a spinning wheel to force it to apply load to the one not spinning, but you want to retain control of the throttle.

For example:




With an open diff and no TCS the rear wheel off the ground would spin and the one on the ground would not move at all. With an IFS/IRS vehicle with not huge wheel travel picking a wheel up will be common off road.

An off road TCS will allow the wheel in the air to spin, but by braking it, it'll force the diff to send hp (due to the loading) to the wheel not spinning, forcing it to turn.

Where this is important is, if you had the diagonal front wheel in the air too (common off road, called an axle twister) then each wheel off the ground would spin, while the two on the ground wouldn't move and you'll be stuck.

Even with all wheels on the ground, if its loose or slippery then you may not get all 4 spinning, but rather you'll end up with 2wd, one wheel per axle being driven.


Locking diffs prevent this, but are expensive and potentially break things. They also ruin turning circles and can't be used at higher speed. Off road TCS is a brilliant invention and I'm pleased the Dacia can be had with this feature.



Sorry seemed to have rambled on a bit there... paperbag

kambites

67,666 posts

222 months

Friday 11th January 2013
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300bhp/ton said:
kambites said:
I think EU type approval now requires stability control to be fitted to all cars? If that is the case, they'll need to make it standard if they have to re-approve the car for some reason.
I'm not sure how the system works on the Duster, but for off road it's not about stability, but promoting grip. The difference is off road you don't want it to kill power, all you want it to do is brake a spinning wheel to force it to apply load to the one not spinning, but you want to retain control of the throttle.
I know that, but it's part of the same option on the car - I'd imagine it's the same physical system. Of course stability control also independently brakes all four wheels so the actual hardware requirements are the same, and the software probably has quite a lot in common.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

191 months

Friday 11th January 2013
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kambites said:
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Sorry, didn't mean to ramble, knew you'd know anyhow. Just got carried away...

smile

HTP99

22,665 posts

141 months

Friday 11th January 2013
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kambites said:
I think EU type approval now requires stability control to be fitted to all cars? If that is the case, they'll need to make it standard if they have to re-approve the car for some reason.
All new models, the Duster has been around, in it's current form, in the EU for many years prior to that ruling, when the replacement comes out it will have to be standard.

kambites

67,666 posts

222 months

Friday 11th January 2013
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HTP99 said:
kambites said:
I think EU type approval now requires stability control to be fitted to all cars? If that is the case, they'll need to make it standard if they have to re-approve the car for some reason.
All new models, the Duster has been around, in it's current form, in the EU for many years prior to that ruling, when the replacement comes out it will have to be standard.
Do you know exactly what constitutes a "replacement". I'm not sure exactly what the EU's definition of a new model is from a type approval point of view.

HTP99

22,665 posts

141 months

Friday 11th January 2013
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kambites said:
HTP99 said:
kambites said:
I think EU type approval now requires stability control to be fitted to all cars? If that is the case, they'll need to make it standard if they have to re-approve the car for some reason.
All new models, the Duster has been around, in it's current form, in the EU for many years prior to that ruling, when the replacement comes out it will have to be standard.
Do you know exactly what constitutes a "replacement". I'm not sure exactly what the EU's definition of a new model is from a type approval point of view.
Nope, however all facelift Megane's have some form of stability control as standard now so I guess facelifts are included in that?

kambites

67,666 posts

222 months

Friday 11th January 2013
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HTP99 said:
Nope, however all facelift Megane's have some form of stability control as standard now so I guess facelifts are included in that?
Not sure. Maybe it's any modification to the chassis/monocoque?

alock

4,232 posts

212 months

Friday 11th January 2013
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300bhp/ton said:
Had a look, finding the site not so easy to use. I can't see an ASR option on it. There seems to be 4 options packs:

Touring pack
£550.00

£445.00
Adventurer pack

£575.00
Protection pack

£655.00
Styling pack (access)


But despite them looking like links I can't drill down or find out what each pack contains.


The only think I have found is ASR seems to only be optional on the more expensive Ambiance and Lauréate models not the more basic Access frown
Go to accessories for pack information:
http://www.dacia.co.uk/vehicles/duster/accessories...

Adventurer PACK
Give your car a chunky off-road look with the door protection side mouldings and wheel arch protection.
- 4 wheel arch protection
- 4 door protection side mouldings
£445*

Protection PACK
Protect your vehicle from the perils of the road and the car park with the protection pack.
- Rear parking sensors
- Door locking alarms
- Exterior tailgate protection
- Front and rear mudguards
- Boot liner.
£575*

Styling PACK
A stylish look for your new vehicle. Consisting of styling bars (and front styling bar), 45 mm chrome plated rear exhaust pipe (only for 1.6 110ch / 85 hp 1.5 dci engines) or 50 mm Chrome plated rear exhaust pipe (for 110hp 1.5dci & 2.0 16v 140 hp engines only) and daytime running lights.
- Front styling bars
- Side styling bars
- Chrome plated rear exhaust pipe
- Daytime running lights.
£655*

Touring PACK
Everything you need to hit the open road with your caravan or trailer. Consisting of a standard towbar, a trailer towing fastening device and 13-pin towing electrics with right hand drive module, Cross bars (R90 type) and front central arm rest.
- Tow bar
- Cross bar (to fit longitudinal roof bars)
- Front central armrest.
£555*

dinkel

26,993 posts

259 months

Friday 11th January 2013
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Chris Harris said:
Agreed.

I'd want a 4x4 diesel with air-con and some bottom warmers. Nothing else.
AC in mine:


She never fails. Not even in France - note the typical landscape.

And it's huge inside. Bigger than a Golf Plus.

simon-g

25 posts

193 months

Friday 11th January 2013
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I dont understand why someone would buy a POS like this and spend £10k on it, why not just buy a second had premium brand for the same price?