RE: Land Rover revives the V8 Defender
Discussion
Brent 67 said:
It's just incredible that someone would waste that sort of money on a bale of hay carrier.
Why would you ?
Probably for the same reason people waste tens, sometimes hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of pounds on classic cars, watches, bejewelled golden eggs, faded old oil paintings, etc.Why would you ?
"Because they can".
Does a Rolex keep better time than a Seiko? Do Jimmy Choos make it easier to walk down the High Street? Will this Defender carry a bale of hay and a sheepdog any better than a battered ex-military 110 diesel from the local auction house? Most likely "no", "no", and "no". But hey? That's not the point of a car like this.
I like Land Rovers. Always have. I quietly like this one, but not enough to blow £150k on one. I'd like the 007 Spectre crew cab linked to up thread. But no amount of collectability would persuade me to part with over £200k for one. Even if I could afford these (frankly daft) prices, I would rather spend my cash on a decent, ordinary, usable example of a Defender and get out and have fun in it. But just because this car doesn't appeal to me doesn't mean I'm going to pour scorn on someone mad enough to buy one. Good luck to them, but I hope the buyers will drive them rather than tucking them up in storage houses as investments...
Gandahar said:
how does one register a 2011 'road registered vehicle' fitted without an air bag for the driver - didn't even think that would be possible - what would happen at MOT time?oilit said:
Gandahar said:
how does one register a 2011 'road registered vehicle' fitted without an air bag for the driver - didn't even think that would be possible - what would happen at MOT time?Might be appropriate in this case
StephenGalley said:
VanquishRider said:
jason61c said:
Is it not april 1st?
l can't see the attraction at all. the G-wagon has always out performed the defender, on and off road. Now it seems its going to do it with pricing also.
at least JLR know how to make reliable products.
After 30 years in HM Forces I can tell you that G Wagen's were often towed up god awful terrain on Ops by our 90's/110's and later by Wolf's. The LR reputation is earned for what it can do off road. Nato forces always commented on it's ability. Especially for it's size. l can't see the attraction at all. the G-wagon has always out performed the defender, on and off road. Now it seems its going to do it with pricing also.
at least JLR know how to make reliable products.
E65Ross said:
SimonOcean said:
£150,000... is it April?
This or a GT3? Ummm...
This or a GT3? Ummm...
and the award for most pointless comparison between cars goes to you!!!£150k? Nah, I'd rather buy a cheap house and rent it out....
I don't think someone looking for a Defender is going to think about a GT3, I'm not quite sure the GT3 has quite the 4x4 capabilities of this to be honest, though I'd be happy for you to prove me wrong!
Too Drunk to Funk said:
StephenGalley said:
VanquishRider said:
jason61c said:
Is it not april 1st?
l can't see the attraction at all. the G-wagon has always out performed the defender, on and off road. Now it seems its going to do it with pricing also.
at least JLR know how to make reliable products.
After 30 years in HM Forces I can tell you that G Wagen's were often towed up god awful terrain on Ops by our 90's/110's and later by Wolf's. The LR reputation is earned for what it can do off road. Nato forces always commented on it's ability. Especially for it's size. l can't see the attraction at all. the G-wagon has always out performed the defender, on and off road. Now it seems its going to do it with pricing also.
at least JLR know how to make reliable products.
I can see why some people might like them, and I reckon JLR, having run into serious weight and cost issues with the Defender, meaning it's going to be way way too expensive, have gone into attacking the Urban Hard Man "Considerably Richer than Yow" Nutter market in China, Russia and USA, which they will need to do to punt out the 100,000 examples they need to make it worthwhile. Hence the talk of it's not going to be a utility vehicle, but very upmarket, and all this ballocks about..., what was that phrase from W1A, yes, reimagining the original Defender starting at 150k. Just managing expectations and the resultant shock when the price of the new one is announced.
oilit said:
how does one register a 2011 'road registered vehicle' fitted without an air bag for the driver - didn't even think that would be possible - what would happen at MOT time?
Airbags weren't fitted to Defenders, even at the 2016 end of production.They may or may not be part of type approval for new vehicles entering production, but they aren't required on vehicles already in - or, if they are, then it's a very new requirement.
A 2011-registered vehicle only has to meet 2011 type approval rules.
FiF said:
Too Drunk to Funk said:
StephenGalley said:
VanquishRider said:
jason61c said:
Is it not april 1st?
l can't see the attraction at all. the G-wagon has always out performed the defender, on and off road. Now it seems its going to do it with pricing also.
at least JLR know how to make reliable products.
After 30 years in HM Forces I can tell you that G Wagen's were often towed up god awful terrain on Ops by our 90's/110's and later by Wolf's. The LR reputation is earned for what it can do off road. Nato forces always commented on it's ability. Especially for it's size. l can't see the attraction at all. the G-wagon has always out performed the defender, on and off road. Now it seems its going to do it with pricing also.
at least JLR know how to make reliable products.
Too Drunk to Funk said:
FiF said:
Too Drunk to Funk said:
StephenGalley said:
VanquishRider said:
jason61c said:
Is it not april 1st?
l can't see the attraction at all. the G-wagon has always out performed the defender, on and off road. Now it seems its going to do it with pricing also.
at least JLR know how to make reliable products.
After 30 years in HM Forces I can tell you that G Wagen's were often towed up god awful terrain on Ops by our 90's/110's and later by Wolf's. The LR reputation is earned for what it can do off road. Nato forces always commented on it's ability. Especially for it's size. l can't see the attraction at all. the G-wagon has always out performed the defender, on and off road. Now it seems its going to do it with pricing also.
at least JLR know how to make reliable products.
Equally some will think this reimagining of the Defender is worth every penny of 150k, again I wouldn't even begin to agree. Each to their own
Perhaps we should give JLR's marketing department credit for realising that they can sell 150 Defenders for the sort of price they are asking. I can't see them producing this model and have a lot left on their hands. I'm also sure that they neither know nor care whether they will prove a good investment for the buyers or not, I'm sure they will only be interested in making the maximum profit from the initial sale.
My personal view is that they are decidedly uncool, and if I wanted to tool around Knightsbridge (which I don't
) I could do no better than choose a muddy Marine Blue Series 3 with a white hardtop. There was one behind me in the MOT queue on Friday and it looked as cool as f***
My personal view is that they are decidedly uncool, and if I wanted to tool around Knightsbridge (which I don't
) I could do no better than choose a muddy Marine Blue Series 3 with a white hardtop. There was one behind me in the MOT queue on Friday and it looked as cool as f***Max_Torque said:
Even with the strongest diffs available i bet you a lot of money they have massively limited the torque output in low range!
I'm running an LS with @400bhp/400lb/ft in a Defender 90 on 35" tyres and have zero torque limiting done in any gear. And that's not only with low range but I also run an Aschroft Underdrive which results in another x2.69 reduction beyond the std low range of 3.32.Haven't broken anything yet. (currently running Ashcroft 3.5:1 Crown wheel and pinions and ARB lockers, with uprated shafts/CV's)
RobEB said:
400 hp and 106mph top speed?? Utterly ridiculous, what idiot thought of this? Why give a s
t driving, crap handling stbox this kind of engine?
I wouldn't give 150 pence for one of these. Still, one for the boy racers who enjoy traffic light races.
The 106mph will be electronically limited so as not to shred the off-road tyres. If this isn't a 150+mph car, remapped and on road tyres, I'll eat my hat.t driving, crap handling stbox this kind of engine? I wouldn't give 150 pence for one of these. Still, one for the boy racers who enjoy traffic light races.
£150k though? They really are taking the pi$$.
I doubt it’ll get near 150. The JE supercharged one’s are limited to 120 and start taking a long time to add pace above 100 because it’s still shaped like a brick.
Also, there no point in taking these over 100. They just aren’t all that safe. The fun is all had at much lower speeds. It’s sts and giggles from 40-80. Funnily enough where most cars spend 99% of their time on the open road.
Also, there no point in taking these over 100. They just aren’t all that safe. The fun is all had at much lower speeds. It’s s
ts and giggles from 40-80. Funnily enough where most cars spend 99% of their time on the open road. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff