Horses shouldn't be allowed on the country roads
Discussion
MrTrilby said:
Nanook said:
No they're not.
You have less right to the road than a cyclist or horse rider.
Fixed that for you You have less right to the road than a cyclist or horse rider.
And anybody that thinks otherwise needs to contemplate whether and how a horse rider or cyclist can be banned from using the road...
thiscocks said:
V8RX7 said:
They all seem to fail to appreciate that roads are primarily for cars, not leisure activities
You're joking right?thiscocks said:
V8RX7 said:
Agreed !
I drove the 6 miles to my parents last weekend.
I came across 3 pairs of horse riders, 4 groups of cyclists and 7 groups of walkers / joggers
They all seem to fail to appreciate that roads are primarily for cars, not leisure activities
You're joking right?I drove the 6 miles to my parents last weekend.
I came across 3 pairs of horse riders, 4 groups of cyclists and 7 groups of walkers / joggers
They all seem to fail to appreciate that roads are primarily for cars, not leisure activities
There's a nice cycle route close to where I live, but I have to use the main road to get to it. You'll not catch me cycling that short distance, I'll just walk my bike to the cycle route and then get on the bike. I've every right to use the road but its a single carriageway with lots of traffic - no thanks!
There was a cyclist killed last week a few miles from where I live. One of the busiest dual carriageways in NI and also one of the most dangerous for car accidents due to 70mph speed limit and seemingly endless junctions/crossover points along the 10 mile stretch. Any time I take my car on that road I always try and remember to keep my eyes peeled up ahead for people exiting/entering the carriageway - and when I see cyclists I just think 'you must be crazy to take a bike on here'
As a general point, surely they should understand when and where its safe to take bikes/horses on the roads and when it isn't - regardless of rights - just from a personal safety point of view?
soupdragon1 said:
Doing those sorts of activities on busy roads at the wrong time is asking for trouble. I don't have a problem with it, but I do think they are a bit crazy when I see them on busy roads at busy times. Yes, its your right to do so, but its a lot riskier due to volume of traffic.
Unless you're living off a trust fund, there's a good chance that you are working during the quieter times of the day. Therefore, early mornings or evenings are your only time to pursue these activities during the week. These also happen to be busy times. Roads are not primarily 'for' cars, they just happen to be the largest user group.
cbmotorsport said:
Unless you're living off a trust fund, there's a good chance that you are working during the quieter times of the day. Therefore, early mornings or evenings are your only time to pursue these activities during the week. These also happen to be busy times.
Roads are not primarily 'for' cars, they just happen to be the largest user group.
True but we get squads of pensioner cyclists appearing at the weekend. I’ve often wondered if they have either forgotten that they have all week to cycle when the roads out here are much quieter and safer during the day or are just desperate to avoid going to a garden centre or seeing the grandchildren. Roads are not primarily 'for' cars, they just happen to be the largest user group.
One good advantage the horse rider has is that being so much taller they can be spotted a lot earlier. Some of the cyclists round here have whippy aerials with orange pennants on top and these do help other road users.
But I’m still staggering from driving over the other week to a Prescott hill climb and coming across a big family cycle event and seeing a 5/6 year old child with no parental supervision weaving very unsteadily all over the lane and nearly collecting a biker who was already being super cautious. 100 yards later I stopped a couple who were in the group and told them of the danger up ahead and if they could catch up and look after the child. They just replied that it wasn’t their kid and couldn’t comprehend why they should do anything.
It’s a strange old world with lots of weirdos, disfunctional and unstable people. Everyone else just has to do more to accommodate and compensate for this growing group of damaged people whether they be found on horses, bikes, cars or walking.
Most incidents do appear to be when two such people meet as expected though.
Nanook said:
No, they're not.
So why are we spending so much on tarmac then? Bikes/horses etc don't need tarmac on the roads. Of course the primary purpose of roads are for motor vehicles, you can't realistically deny that. Just by saying that. doesn't mean I'm saying that gives them right of way over other road users and I think I made that clear in my OP.DonkeyApple said:
True but we get squads of pensioner cyclists appearing at the weekend. I’ve often wondered if they have either forgotten that they have all week to cycle when the roads out here are much quieter and safer during the day or are just desperate to avoid going to a garden centre or seeing the grandchildren.
It'll be for the same reason they always go to the post office, for a haircut or go shopping between the times of 12pm and 2pm during the week, when you're running round in your lunch break trying to get stuff done. I don't know what that reason is though. cbmotorsport said:
Unless you're living off a trust fund, there's a good chance that you are working during the quieter times of the day. Therefore, early mornings or evenings are your only time to pursue these activities during the week. These also happen to be busy times.
Totally agree to this. I just think its risky for them. As I say, doesn't bother me seeing them on the roads - I just think its a risky pastime to persue.I come from a horsey family. I can't stand the things but I believe in showing courtesy to anyone who would do the same for me.
Visiting my parents a few weeks ago I went up the narrow country lane to the house- it's narrow, twisting & full of surprises so I was driving fairly slowly & carefully.
Two horses were dithering in the middle of the road, ridden by presumably mother & daughter. I stopped to let them sort themselves out & mother then indicated I should pass them, which I did as slowly, considerately & widely as possible. Nevertheless the mother's horse spooked and jumped all over the place before she got it back under control.
If they can't safely mix with other stuff on the road then they shouldn't be on the road. If my car was unsafe it wouldn't be allowed.
As for horses crapping on the road, the rider should have to clear it up. If a car drives through it & spreads it out it then becomes a deathtrap for the next motorbike to pass by. Bikers' lives take precedence over horse-riders' convenience.
Visiting my parents a few weeks ago I went up the narrow country lane to the house- it's narrow, twisting & full of surprises so I was driving fairly slowly & carefully.
Two horses were dithering in the middle of the road, ridden by presumably mother & daughter. I stopped to let them sort themselves out & mother then indicated I should pass them, which I did as slowly, considerately & widely as possible. Nevertheless the mother's horse spooked and jumped all over the place before she got it back under control.
If they can't safely mix with other stuff on the road then they shouldn't be on the road. If my car was unsafe it wouldn't be allowed.
As for horses crapping on the road, the rider should have to clear it up. If a car drives through it & spreads it out it then becomes a deathtrap for the next motorbike to pass by. Bikers' lives take precedence over horse-riders' convenience.
Nanook said:
They have to learn.
Some horses will learn to deal with it better than others. Some will never be good at it, getting spooked by funny shaped rocks or poly bags, but just like cyclists and drivers, they have to learn. They're not just pros, right off the bat.
I don't think it acceptable for me to be at risk as part of their learning curve.Some horses will learn to deal with it better than others. Some will never be good at it, getting spooked by funny shaped rocks or poly bags, but just like cyclists and drivers, they have to learn. They're not just pros, right off the bat.
Nanook said:
soupdragon1 said:
Nanook said:
No, they're not.
So why are we spending so much on tarmac then? Bikes/horses etc don't need tarmac on the roads. Of course the primary purpose of roads are for motor vehicles, you can't realistically deny that. Just by saying that. doesn't mean I'm saying that gives them right of way over other road users and I think I made that clear in my OP.Roads are for all road users. No-one has priority over anyone else like that.
It may be your opinion that that should be the case, but it is not.
Bikes don't need tarmac? If bikes don't, neither do cars. Got a better reason?
Edited by soupdragon1 on Wednesday 13th June 10:33
Nanook said:
soupdragon1 said:
Nanook said:
soupdragon1 said:
Nanook said:
No, they're not.
So why are we spending so much on tarmac then? Bikes/horses etc don't need tarmac on the roads. Of course the primary purpose of roads are for motor vehicles, you can't realistically deny that. Just by saying that. doesn't mean I'm saying that gives them right of way over other road users and I think I made that clear in my OP.Roads are for all road users. No-one has priority over anyone else like that.
It may be your opinion that that should be the case, but it is not.
Bikes don't need tarmac? If bikes don't, neither do cars. Got a better reason?
Edited by soupdragon1 on Wednesday 13th June 10:33
You've literally made up me making something up.
This bit here that you wrote:
..........Roads are for all road users. No-one has priority over anyone else like that.
..........It may be your opinion that that should be the case, but it is not.
When you wrote that, I took that to mean that you were implying that my opinion was that there should be priorities given to different road users, even though it was clear that I never said that.
In summary, I think we both agree that everyone one should have equal rights on the road, I think!?
Nanook said:
Rovinghawk said:
Nanook said:
They have to learn.
Some horses will learn to deal with it better than others. Some will never be good at it, getting spooked by funny shaped rocks or poly bags, but just like cyclists and drivers, they have to learn. They're not just pros, right off the bat.
I don't think it acceptable for me to be at risk as part of their learning curve.Some horses will learn to deal with it better than others. Some will never be good at it, getting spooked by funny shaped rocks or poly bags, but just like cyclists and drivers, they have to learn. They're not just pros, right off the bat.
I learned in a VW Polo. Then I learned some more in a Ford Galaxy with a big trailer on the back, then I learned in a Scania P94D, 18 tonnes of it.
All on the public road, during the day.
Is that acceptable to you?
Burwood said:
Horse people. Can you comment on my wide and 10mph pass. Is that not ok? The middle finger I’m getting would suggest it’s unaccetable.
That has literally never happened to me in nigh on 30 years of driving. Even in my Dax which is really very loud indeed. So, either you just came across a rider who was being a dick, or your pass wasn't as considerate as you thought. If it keeps happening, I'm afraid the likelihood is that it's the latter.Graveworm said:
Pedestrians and the riders of horses and horse drawn vehicles have a right to use the roads.
Drivers of mechanically propelled vehicles are licensed to use the roads.
Cyclists are permitted to use the roads.
You can take your filthy facts and shove 'em as they don't fit the narrative Drivers of mechanically propelled vehicles are licensed to use the roads.
Cyclists are permitted to use the roads.
From a motorist, a motorcyclist, a cyclist and a runner on country roads
Nanook said:
No, the primary purpose of roads is not for motor vehicles.
Roads are for all road users. No-one has priority over anyone else like that.
Rubbish - the primary consideration IS for motor vehicles because they are the main group using them, they are also the main group paying for them - both directly and indirectly.Roads are for all road users. No-one has priority over anyone else like that.
If no one drove the UK would cease to exist as we know it, if people stopped cycling / riding / jogging there wouldn't be a perceptible difference.
Following your logic the Gov't put 1000x the weight on each horse rider's opinion than each car driver.
Edited by V8RX7 on Wednesday 13th June 13:56
Nanook said:
Primary purpose, primary consideration, generally just primarily for cars. They're all wrong, but just pick one and stick with it instead of changing it slightly every post
The UK would cease to exist? I think you're getting a bit over-excited about this. No group of road users has any more right to the road, than any other group. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. Your opinion might be that it's a crap fact, but that changes nothing.
You, in your car, have no more right to use the road than someone on a push bike, a motor bike, a horse, a tractor, a quad bike, a lorry or a Sinclair C5.
It's not 'my logic', it's just a fact.
From a socio economic perspective one could argue that users traveling to, from or on work have an obvious priority over those off for a jolly?The UK would cease to exist? I think you're getting a bit over-excited about this. No group of road users has any more right to the road, than any other group. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. Your opinion might be that it's a crap fact, but that changes nothing.
You, in your car, have no more right to use the road than someone on a push bike, a motor bike, a horse, a tractor, a quad bike, a lorry or a Sinclair C5.
It's not 'my logic', it's just a fact.
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