Why do people buy expensive cars and not maintain them?
Discussion
Deep Thought said:
Yes, i'd imagine your choices are pretty limited with those tyre sizes!
On the "ditchfinder" comment, i was talking to the guy who i use for tyres and he was saying that for cooking variants / mainstream cars there was no notable advantage in running premium tyres over running midrange / lesser known brands. He was saying in the mid field they're much of a much ness and general driving in some Golf or Astra doesnt necessitate the extra spend.
I guess theres probably relatively unknown brands / sub brands from big brands appearing in that space now, which doesnt mean they're necessarily bad, just not as well known.
Granted there are probably a minority who are actively seeking out the cheapest of the cheap tyre, but i think theres a lot of non premium brands that are fine for every day use.
The choices are limited as you say. I can't get the original Pirellis that were on it from the factory anymore. I tried continentals but they only lasted 3 months/6k miles on the rears. I'm a bit of a Michelin fanboy so I'm happy with those in fairness, however I have seen Yokohamas that are much more cost effective than the Michelins though. On the "ditchfinder" comment, i was talking to the guy who i use for tyres and he was saying that for cooking variants / mainstream cars there was no notable advantage in running premium tyres over running midrange / lesser known brands. He was saying in the mid field they're much of a much ness and general driving in some Golf or Astra doesnt necessitate the extra spend.
I guess theres probably relatively unknown brands / sub brands from big brands appearing in that space now, which doesnt mean they're necessarily bad, just not as well known.
Granted there are probably a minority who are actively seeking out the cheapest of the cheap tyre, but i think theres a lot of non premium brands that are fine for every day use.
tr7v8 said:
Yes my Outlander is Vredesteins Quadtracs all seasons & they're great & the Porsche Cayenne I had before was on Vredestein Vortis they were fantastic. My MX5 Mk3 is on Falkens which seem OK as well. Only the Boxster did I run on Michellin PS2s
I wished I could get the Quadtracs all seasons in the size I need for the GLE400d as well. I used to have them on the GLC350d and they were fantastic tyres for wear. I managed 50k miles out the fronts and 75k miles out of the rears. Crazy really! Deep Thought said:
Yes, i'd imagine your choices are pretty limited with those tyre sizes!
On the "ditchfinder" comment, i was talking to the guy who i use for tyres and he was saying that for cooking variants / mainstream cars there was no notable advantage in running premium tyres over running midrange / lesser known brands. He was saying in the mid field they're much of a much ness and general driving in some Golf or Astra doesnt necessitate the extra spend.
I guess theres probably relatively unknown brands / sub brands from big brands appearing in that space now, which doesnt mean they're necessarily bad, just not as well known.
Granted there are probably a minority who are actively seeking out the cheapest of the cheap tyre, but i think theres a lot of non premium brands that are fine for every day use.
A lot of the mid range stuff (Uniroyal, Kumho etc) really is more than good enough even for quite spicy stuff, but the no name chinese stuff ranges from unbelievably awful to quite poor.On the "ditchfinder" comment, i was talking to the guy who i use for tyres and he was saying that for cooking variants / mainstream cars there was no notable advantage in running premium tyres over running midrange / lesser known brands. He was saying in the mid field they're much of a much ness and general driving in some Golf or Astra doesnt necessitate the extra spend.
I guess theres probably relatively unknown brands / sub brands from big brands appearing in that space now, which doesnt mean they're necessarily bad, just not as well known.
Granted there are probably a minority who are actively seeking out the cheapest of the cheap tyre, but i think theres a lot of non premium brands that are fine for every day use.
The best budget tyre tested by Tyrereviews stopped in 38.69m from just 80km/hr vs 31.58m for a Continental. The worst was 46.04m.
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/Are-Budget-Tyr...
Even the best is the difference between "that was a bit close" and a trip to A&E and a massive insurance claim, this is from 50MPH let alone from 70MPH / 112kmph, which really does give truth to the "I drive to the conditions and tyres" nonsense crap tyre apologists always trot out.
I've had some really outrageous slides at walking speed in the rain with cars I've bought with ditchfinders fitted. The sort every single X5 over about 3 yeasr old seems to have fitted when the owner finds out his ridiculous steam roller tyres that have to handle all of 260bhp are £400 each for proper ones.
I'd love to agree that it's just a minority fitting the cheapest nastiest tyres you can get but in my experience it's really not.
Edited by GeniusOfLove on Wednesday 1st November 14:41
GeniusOfLove said:
A lot of the mid range stuff (Uniroyal, Kumho etc) really is more than good enough even for quite spicy stuff, but the no name chinese stuff ranges from unbelievably awful to quite poor.
The best budget tyre tested by Tyrereviews stopped in 38.69m from just 80km/hr vs 31.58m for a Continental. The worst was 46.04m.
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/Are-Budget-Tyr...
Even the best is the difference between "that was a bit close" and a trip to A&E and a massive insurance claim, this is from 50MPH let alone from 70MPH / 112kmph, which really does give truth to the "I drive to the conditions and tyres" nonsense crap tyre apologists always trot out.
I've had some really outrageous slides at walking speed in the rain cars I've bought with ditchfinders fitted. The sort every single X5 over about 3 yeasr old seems to have fitted when the owner finds out his ridiculous steam roller tyres that have to handle all of 260bhp are £400 each for proper ones.
I'd love to agree that it's just a minority fitting the cheapest nastiest tyres you can get but in my experience it's really not.
The data doesn't lie. No one plans an emergency stop!The best budget tyre tested by Tyrereviews stopped in 38.69m from just 80km/hr vs 31.58m for a Continental. The worst was 46.04m.
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/Are-Budget-Tyr...
Even the best is the difference between "that was a bit close" and a trip to A&E and a massive insurance claim, this is from 50MPH let alone from 70MPH / 112kmph, which really does give truth to the "I drive to the conditions and tyres" nonsense crap tyre apologists always trot out.
I've had some really outrageous slides at walking speed in the rain cars I've bought with ditchfinders fitted. The sort every single X5 over about 3 yeasr old seems to have fitted when the owner finds out his ridiculous steam roller tyres that have to handle all of 260bhp are £400 each for proper ones.
I'd love to agree that it's just a minority fitting the cheapest nastiest tyres you can get but in my experience it's really not.
Panamax said:
One of the unfortunate facts of motoring is it costs just a much to maintain a car properly when it's old and worthless as it cost when it was somebody's brand new pride and joy.
Tyres are a classic example.
Tyres are a classic example.
Never understood why folk will cut costs with tyres just because a car is 10+ years old. I made this mistake a few years ago. One slightly damp roundabout, no steering and a new pair of pants later I'll never skimp on tyres again.
Talking of tyres, I am facing the dilemma of having an end-of-pcp return in a couple of months and I don't think I'll be able to (legally) stretch the tyres that far. I've not measured them properly for a few weeks other than inspecting the little nubs, but at 26k miles old they really are at death's door.
Now do I buy some no-name specials given it's going back soon and just drive accordingly, or should I pay up for something I've heard of at close to £200 a corner knowing it's going back soon.
Ideally I would go for some sort of mid range but even those seem to be £160 plus these days (255/35/R20 - going to get something smaller next time the way the price of tyres is going!)
I am firmly in the camp of spare no expense on 'my' car, but do only what is necessary/manufacturer recommended on a lease.
Now do I buy some no-name specials given it's going back soon and just drive accordingly, or should I pay up for something I've heard of at close to £200 a corner knowing it's going back soon.
Ideally I would go for some sort of mid range but even those seem to be £160 plus these days (255/35/R20 - going to get something smaller next time the way the price of tyres is going!)
I am firmly in the camp of spare no expense on 'my' car, but do only what is necessary/manufacturer recommended on a lease.
WarrenB said:
Never understood why folk will cut costs with tyres just because a car is 10+ years old. I made this mistake a few years ago. One slightly damp roundabout, no steering and a new pair of pants later I'll never skimp on tyres again.
It's not just cars, but houses and appartements too!
I have seen many expensive houses where the owner neglected basic maintenance (and cleanliness) and on the other end of the spectrum, I have seen cheap rented appartements where people with a very modest income keep fastidiously on top of everything.
I have seen many expensive houses where the owner neglected basic maintenance (and cleanliness) and on the other end of the spectrum, I have seen cheap rented appartements where people with a very modest income keep fastidiously on top of everything.
Filibuster said:
It's not just cars, but houses and appartements too!
I have seen many expensive houses where the owner neglected basic maintenance (and cleanliness) and on the other end of the spectrum, I have seen cheap rented appartements where people with a very modest income keep fastidiously on top of everything.
Did you get a Macan in the end?I have seen many expensive houses where the owner neglected basic maintenance (and cleanliness) and on the other end of the spectrum, I have seen cheap rented appartements where people with a very modest income keep fastidiously on top of everything.
Edited by wyson on Wednesday 1st November 15:18
JagYouAre said:
Talking of tyres, I am facing the dilemma of having an end-of-pcp return in a couple of months and I don't think I'll be able to (legally) stretch the tyres that far. I've not measured them properly for a few weeks other than inspecting the little nubs, but at 26k miles old they really are at death's door.
Now do I buy some no-name specials given it's going back soon and just drive accordingly, or should I pay up for something I've heard of at close to £200 a corner knowing it's going back soon.
Ideally I would go for some sort of mid range but even those seem to be £160 plus these days (255/35/R20 - going to get something smaller next time the way the price of tyres is going!)
I am firmly in the camp of spare no expense on 'my' car, but do only what is necessary/manufacturer recommended on a lease.
That's a pain, just going into winter with lots of rain too. I've just had to buy a pair of tyres in that size for an XF and the best I found for mid range was £130 each fitted Kumho PS71 from this not even slightly dodgy looking siteNow do I buy some no-name specials given it's going back soon and just drive accordingly, or should I pay up for something I've heard of at close to £200 a corner knowing it's going back soon.
Ideally I would go for some sort of mid range but even those seem to be £160 plus these days (255/35/R20 - going to get something smaller next time the way the price of tyres is going!)
I am firmly in the camp of spare no expense on 'my' car, but do only what is necessary/manufacturer recommended on a lease.
https://www.tyresavings.com/255-35-20?speed=Y
Still £60 more than a proper ditchfinder but you've got to drive it for a couple of months and I imagine you quite like stopping using the brakes and tyres rather than the car in front. I had a Mercedes S600 twin turbo with those PS71 on the back because there was hardly anything available in it's weird tyre size and they really were fine.
My BIL bought an M140i a couple of years ago, however only owned it for about 6 months as ended up with something cheaper to run.
Anyway, it was his pride and joy and 'dream car'. Had an MOQ advisory on two rear tyres and he said he'd probably get cheap or part-worns as 'tyres are too expensive on these'. Moreso, talked a lot about mods etc but when I asked what they were, it was just colour co-ordinating bits, exterior spoiler lip etc as 'power mods are too pricey on these'.
When he sold it (I think for a base model A3) he chuckled saying at least I don't have to replace those tyres now! Essentially admitting that he would have probably kept it for as long as possible before he had to spend any £££ on it.
Anyway, it was his pride and joy and 'dream car'. Had an MOQ advisory on two rear tyres and he said he'd probably get cheap or part-worns as 'tyres are too expensive on these'. Moreso, talked a lot about mods etc but when I asked what they were, it was just colour co-ordinating bits, exterior spoiler lip etc as 'power mods are too pricey on these'.
When he sold it (I think for a base model A3) he chuckled saying at least I don't have to replace those tyres now! Essentially admitting that he would have probably kept it for as long as possible before he had to spend any £££ on it.
SCJM21 said:
My BIL bought an M140i a couple of years ago, however only owned it for about 6 months as ended up with something cheaper to run.
Anyway, it was his pride and joy and 'dream car'. Had an MOQ advisory on two rear tyres and he said he'd probably get cheap or part-worns as 'tyres are too expensive on these'. Moreso, talked a lot about mods etc but when I asked what they were, it was just colour co-ordinating bits, exterior spoiler lip etc as 'power mods are too pricey on these'.
When he sold it (I think for a base model A3) he chuckled saying at least I don't have to replace those tyres now! Essentially admitting that he would have probably kept it for as long as possible before he had to spend any £££ on it.
About 75% of the wannabe aspirational badge tax cars (Audi, BMW, Merc, Jaguar) I see when pottering around with the dog have ditch finders on them by the time they hit 2 years old. Anyway, it was his pride and joy and 'dream car'. Had an MOQ advisory on two rear tyres and he said he'd probably get cheap or part-worns as 'tyres are too expensive on these'. Moreso, talked a lot about mods etc but when I asked what they were, it was just colour co-ordinating bits, exterior spoiler lip etc as 'power mods are too pricey on these'.
When he sold it (I think for a base model A3) he chuckled saying at least I don't have to replace those tyres now! Essentially admitting that he would have probably kept it for as long as possible before he had to spend any £££ on it.
GeniusOfLove said:
That's a pain, just going into winter with lots of rain too. I've just had to buy a pair of tyres in that size for an XF and the best I found for mid range was £130 each fitted Kumho PS71 from this not even slightly dodgy looking site
https://www.tyresavings.com/255-35-20?speed=Y
Still £60 more than a proper ditchfinder but you've got to drive it for a couple of months and I imagine you quite like stopping using the brakes and tyres rather than the car in front. I had a Mercedes S600 twin turbo with those PS71 on the back because there was hardly anything available in it's weird tyre size and they really were fine.
Nice one, I will take a look at that.https://www.tyresavings.com/255-35-20?speed=Y
Still £60 more than a proper ditchfinder but you've got to drive it for a couple of months and I imagine you quite like stopping using the brakes and tyres rather than the car in front. I had a Mercedes S600 twin turbo with those PS71 on the back because there was hardly anything available in it's weird tyre size and they really were fine.
Same car, XF, but I probably need all 4 doing! To be fair the factory originals have done very well to last nearly 27k miles.
£130 for mid range is about what I'd be happy with.
Rich Boy Spanner said:
SCJM21 said:
My BIL bought an M140i a couple of years ago, however only owned it for about 6 months as ended up with something cheaper to run.
Anyway, it was his pride and joy and 'dream car'. Had an MOQ advisory on two rear tyres and he said he'd probably get cheap or part-worns as 'tyres are too expensive on these'. Moreso, talked a lot about mods etc but when I asked what they were, it was just colour co-ordinating bits, exterior spoiler lip etc as 'power mods are too pricey on these'.
When he sold it (I think for a base model A3) he chuckled saying at least I don't have to replace those tyres now! Essentially admitting that he would have probably kept it for as long as possible before he had to spend any £££ on it.
About 75% of the wannabe aspirational badge tax cars (Audi, BMW, Merc, Jaguar) I see when pottering around with the dog have ditch finders on them by the time they hit 2 years old. Anyway, it was his pride and joy and 'dream car'. Had an MOQ advisory on two rear tyres and he said he'd probably get cheap or part-worns as 'tyres are too expensive on these'. Moreso, talked a lot about mods etc but when I asked what they were, it was just colour co-ordinating bits, exterior spoiler lip etc as 'power mods are too pricey on these'.
When he sold it (I think for a base model A3) he chuckled saying at least I don't have to replace those tyres now! Essentially admitting that he would have probably kept it for as long as possible before he had to spend any £££ on it.
On another note, if I walk into town, I often look at cars as I walk past - are they automatics, what tyres they have etc. I often pass a nice 72 plate Porsche Panamera that is fitted with 315/something/20 Jinyu tyres.
tr7v8 said:
Yes my Outlander is Vredesteins Quadtracs all seasons & they're great & the Porsche Cayenne I had before was on Vredestein Vortis they were fantastic. My MX5 Mk3 is on Falkens which seem OK as well. Only the Boxster did I run on Michellin PS2s
PH has always had a habit of being more tyre brand obsessive but my recent experience of looking for a nippy estate around 6-8 years old was that I didn't look at a C43, 340 or S4 that didn't have mismatched tyres and at least one ditch finder. That's proper beer budget motoring on stuff that isn't smart to mix tyres on and where the previous owner had spent a fair amount on their car purchase but then had no means to replace tyres appropriately. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff