RE: Porsche Taycan | Official reveal!
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Maybe they left the Turbo bit in to distract people from it being called Taycan ? which sounds a bit daft to me, for the older folk, it keeps making me thinking of Respectable by Mel and Kim, or a new brand name for that "Bacon" made out of Turkey 
But its a hell of a piece of kit, its like Tesla went "Woo, lets make Ev's", now all the established companies are in on it having been playing catch up, Porsche being the first one to perhaps produce something properly desirable.
Feels like progress to me, and the new Renault Zoe with a range of 245 miles (allegedly).Plus all the new VW ID stuff coming soon.
Its a pretty exciting time, and we can all still see the downsides with EV's but it does seem they are being mitigated which brings the tipping point forward when normal car buyers will wonder why they would ever buy an IC engined car.
I still dont want an EV, as being a car oddball, I like engines but realise most arent all that fussed and have different priorities other than engine noises and manual gearboxes, the point being they arent wrong, I am not right, its purely personal preference.
But its a hell of a piece of kit, its like Tesla went "Woo, lets make Ev's", now all the established companies are in on it having been playing catch up, Porsche being the first one to perhaps produce something properly desirable.
Feels like progress to me, and the new Renault Zoe with a range of 245 miles (allegedly).Plus all the new VW ID stuff coming soon.
Its a pretty exciting time, and we can all still see the downsides with EV's but it does seem they are being mitigated which brings the tipping point forward when normal car buyers will wonder why they would ever buy an IC engined car.
I still dont want an EV, as being a car oddball, I like engines but realise most arent all that fussed and have different priorities other than engine noises and manual gearboxes, the point being they arent wrong, I am not right, its purely personal preference.
djneils98 said:
looks like a superb car.
uncharacteristically stupid naming decision to call a turbo-free car a turbo though
the turbo s is the top porsche cars, it makes sense imouncharacteristically stupid naming decision to call a turbo-free car a turbo though
the 992's all have turbos yet have a turbo model coming
everyone on the street knows when you see a porsche turbo you take it seriously
Nimerino said:
Life-long Porsche ‘fanboi’ here, which is why the following is difficult to write: if anything, this shows that Tesla were unexpectedly ahead of the curve in their cars, and selling them at discounted prices. The Porsche is significantly better-looking, and appears to be the superior car, but the law of diminishing returns is in full effect at a 40% premium over the top Model S.
Unless one is regularly prone to doing 26 consecutive full-bore starts, or finds taking a 2.3 tonne saloon on a track day to be the given thing, I don’t see how the premium can be justified. And the stratospheric price which (realistically) puts it out of the range of most car buyers does nothing to progress the cause for electric cars, other than the potential halo effect of what Porsche have achieved. The quality improvements over the (admittedly appalling) Teslas don’t appear to me to be the USP they’re being made out as, as the reality of Tesla ownership has done nothing to diminish either the desirability or sales of those cars.
As a Luddite enthusiast, I detest the idea of a future with electric cars, as I did the move from analogue to digital photography, and the obsolescence of physical media for music; I was hoping that Porsche might at least help sway me, and am sad to say they haven’t. Ah well.
I'd skipping the middleman and being able to sell direct to the public is one reason Tesla's are cheaper.Unless one is regularly prone to doing 26 consecutive full-bore starts, or finds taking a 2.3 tonne saloon on a track day to be the given thing, I don’t see how the premium can be justified. And the stratospheric price which (realistically) puts it out of the range of most car buyers does nothing to progress the cause for electric cars, other than the potential halo effect of what Porsche have achieved. The quality improvements over the (admittedly appalling) Teslas don’t appear to me to be the USP they’re being made out as, as the reality of Tesla ownership has done nothing to diminish either the desirability or sales of those cars.
As a Luddite enthusiast, I detest the idea of a future with electric cars, as I did the move from analogue to digital photography, and the obsolescence of physical media for music; I was hoping that Porsche might at least help sway me, and am sad to say they haven’t. Ah well.
Having to add dealer markup onto every car sold diminishes your competitiveness somewhat.
The powertrain is kind of as you'd expect really. Massive performance, fairly sensible range and a charging network that just isn't suitable (unless you're at home obviously).
What's sad is that it's got an ugly face and they have decided to call it a turbo, even though it's electric. Naming conventions are getting a bit silly.
What's sad is that it's got an ugly face and they have decided to call it a turbo, even though it's electric. Naming conventions are getting a bit silly.
Jon_S_Rally said:
The powertrain is kind of as you'd expect really. Massive performance, fairly sensible range and a charging network that just isn't suitable (unless you're at home obviously).
What's sad is that it's got an ugly face and they have decided to call it a turbo, even though it's electric. Naming conventions are getting a bit silly.
Charging network in Europe at least is really pretty good:What's sad is that it's got an ugly face and they have decided to call it a turbo, even though it's electric. Naming conventions are getting a bit silly.
https://ionity.eu/en/where-and-how.html
And that's just the Ionity 350kW chargers. There are probably double that for 50-175kW chargers from other suppliers.
RacerMike said:
Jon_S_Rally said:
The powertrain is kind of as you'd expect really. Massive performance, fairly sensible range and a charging network that just isn't suitable (unless you're at home obviously).
What's sad is that it's got an ugly face and they have decided to call it a turbo, even though it's electric. Naming conventions are getting a bit silly.
Charging network in Europe at least is really pretty good:What's sad is that it's got an ugly face and they have decided to call it a turbo, even though it's electric. Naming conventions are getting a bit silly.
https://ionity.eu/en/where-and-how.html
And that's just the Ionity 350kW chargers. There are probably double that for 50-175kW chargers from other suppliers.
Another thing Porsche have to be is more expensive, they can't be cheaper than the competition or even the same price even though the product is in some ways inferior.
They had the upper hand with engine powered cars as they had the knowledge and experience to build drivetrains and now they no longer have any advantage yet they are still charging premium prices because they're Porsche.
They had the upper hand with engine powered cars as they had the knowledge and experience to build drivetrains and now they no longer have any advantage yet they are still charging premium prices because they're Porsche.
mrcbkkr said:
Isn't it a 'bit' stupid to use those pre-production pics in the article after the unveiling?
I mean, many people are complaining about those pre-production head- and taillights. There are enough good photos on the Porsche website or in the press kit to use...
pistonheads is complete sI mean, many people are complaining about those pre-production head- and taillights. There are enough good photos on the Porsche website or in the press kit to use...
t these days, what do you expect?WCZ said:
everyone on the street knows when you see a porsche turbo you take it seriously
Most people on my street would not take a Porsche Turbo seriously. However, I do live near quite a few OAP homes and to be fair most of them are more focused on getting back home in time for McGuiver than the precise nature of the badging on a car.That said, you can imagine the conversation with non-car people...
You: I've got a Taycan Turbo S. It's electric!
Them: Wow, an electric car with a turbocharger, how does that work?
You: Err, no it doesn't have a turbo.
Them: Sorry, it's called a Turbo but doesn't have a turbo?
You: Yes that's right. Obvi.
Them: Right... Anyway, did you see the cricket yesterday?
ecs0set said:
WCZ said:
everyone on the street knows when you see a porsche turbo you take it seriously
Most people on my street would not take a Porsche Turbo seriously. However, I do live near quite a few OAP homes and to be fair most of them are more focused on getting back home in time for McGuiver than the precise nature of the badging on a car.That said, you can imagine the conversation with non-car people...
You: I've got a Taycan Turbo S. It's electric!
Them: Oh, cool, electric cars are becoming more common these days
I’m sure when all it’s gubbins appears in a Cayenne and that other thing they do in SUV format it will all be great.
But, such has the tall car format taken off, that the long low saloon looks very old fashioned and, dare I say it, a bit odd in luxury guise IMHO!
I’m aware that other countries have different feelings about this and I’m sure it will do ok there.
But, such has the tall car format taken off, that the long low saloon looks very old fashioned and, dare I say it, a bit odd in luxury guise IMHO!
I’m aware that other countries have different feelings about this and I’m sure it will do ok there.
gigglebug said:
I saw a man in the local supermarket with these in his trolly a couple of days ago. I couldn't work out why they neither had a turbo or couldn't do mach 3. It made my head hurt. Nothing worse than false advertising.
Did you ask him where the turbocharger was, or how it worked without one!?E65Ross said:
Did you ask him where the turbocharger was, or how it worked without one!?head!!Don’t Vauxhall slap ‘Turbo’ on the back of an Astra these days?
Turbos are pretty dull these days. They are just legal and accountancy tools to fudge numbers. At least Porsche have tried to keep the word more synonymous with the nutter engineers of long ago who used turbos to add fun and lunacy to cars rather than to help Leslie and Graham our with their hypermiling.
Turbos are pretty dull these days. They are just legal and accountancy tools to fudge numbers. At least Porsche have tried to keep the word more synonymous with the nutter engineers of long ago who used turbos to add fun and lunacy to cars rather than to help Leslie and Graham our with their hypermiling.
gigglebug said:
E65Ross said:
Did you ask him where the turbocharger was, or how it worked without one!?head!!Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff