Nissan 350Z ..why so cheap?

[bad_roo]

mike_1985 said:

He is a correctly that has the power to influence people when they read the magazine he writes for

Viola.

Edited by bad_roo on Monday 8th September 20:03

[nervous]

mike_1985 said:

His opinion as car magazine writer is nothing to joke about . I wonder how much bad advice you have given to people that look up to your review .
Thats my problem , he aint any tom dick n harry is he . He is a proffesional that has the power to influence poeple when they read his magazine

only if they chose to accept it as their opinion too.

most readers of magazines have the savvy to read lots of reviews, then form their own opinions based on their own experiences, safe and comfy in the knowledge that different people like different things, and that because one person likes something doesnt necessarily mean that they will like it too.

i dont work for The Bible, I only give opinion- not that what Ive said here forms any part of a magazine feature- and my opinion is as worthwhile and or worthless as anyone elses. and just because its different doesnt mean its wrong.

do you see? its not rocket science. its just liking/ not liking stuff, on an internet forum.

now then, care to explain all that wife stuff you were going on about? I keep asking, but you dont ever explain it. Im assuming it wasnt a personal attack as thats very much against the rules. so, it was about sales figures or bhp or something, yes?

[nervous]

mike_1985 said:

Instead of saying the 350z is ste , maybe a bit of word diplomacy would ve been alot more sensible . Dont you think

Edited by mike_1985 on Monday 8th September 19:59

why? its my opinion. and theres quite a few other opinions here that echo what Ive said. so why dont they have to be diplomatic too?

besides which, youre on pretty shaky ground when it comes to demanding diplomacy.

Edited by nervous on Monday 8th September 20:07

[nervous]

Diderot said:

Can we please spell professional correctly?

I know I can't.

[Leatherhead]

I could hold an opinion that the Isle of Wight is made of Greggs steak bakes.

Yes, I'm entitled to it and no, you needn't agree with it.

Doesn't stop it being risible though, does it?

[mike_1985]

I think you would find the wife thing was a personal attack even thou I dont know your circumstances , you just thought and you friend 996 are so witty thats all .

So can you tell me why Car Magazine sells 100k copies each month ? For the pretty pictures or the reviews ?

I know which one it is, reviews from different magazine have played a big part in my decision making while comparing cars.
What I want from a review is proffesional and un biased advice

Far, far away from what you wrote

[chris_w666]

mike_1985 said:

His opinion as car magazine writer is nothing to joke about . I wonder how much bad advice he has given to people that look up to his review .
Thats my problem , he aint any tom dick n harry is he ? He is a proffesional that has the power to influence people when they read the magazine he writes for

Instead of saying the 350z is ste , maybe a bit of word diplomacy would ve been alot more sensible . Dont you think

Just a second (nervy are you a mag staff writer or contributer?).

If someone who writes for a car magazine decides not to like a 350z who are you to question that opinion? I happen to like the 350z but as I have never driven one for more than a few miles I am glad someone has actually pointed out they are not motoring perfection as a lot of car magazine staff writers have done. I have a slight bit of scepticism for anyone that writes nice things about a car that they are hoping to get a long-term press loan of anyway.

If a motoring writer does not like a car does that make them a bad person? Does it stop people buying the car? Should they just say everything is good?

Grow up and stop bloody trolling.

[nervous]

Leatherhead said:

Doesn't stop it being risible though, does it?

but really, so what? so we dont agree with each other? hardly the end of the world is it? Why on earth would you care enough for it to be deemed risible?

for instance, I just look at other peoples opinions on this thread and think 'wow, I didnt feel that way at all', whereas you think 'he doesnt agree with me, what a '. that's hardly an applaudable opinion outlook either, is it?

[mike_1985]

Leatherhead said:

I could hold an opinion that the Isle of Wight is made of Greggs steak bakes.

Yes, I'm entitled to it and no, you needn't agree with it.

Doesn't stop it being risible though, does it?

I really wouldnt care if you said that the 350z is ste car, as some people on this thread have said it already .

But to claim that you a professional writer that drives different cars for a living and is being paid to review them to claim that is the worst car he has ever driven is a bit far fetched when clearly some people compare them to the best driving cars around .

[chris_w666]

mike_1985 said:

Leatherhead said:

I could hold an opinion that the Isle of Wight is made of Greggs steak bakes.

Yes, I'm entitled to it and no, you needn't agree with it.

Doesn't stop it being risible though, does it?

I really wouldnt care if you said that the 350z is ste car, as some people on this thread have said it already .

But to claim that you a professional writer that drives different cars for a living and is being paid to review them to claim that is the worst car he has ever driven is a bit far fetched when clearly some people compare them to the best driving cars around .

I don't understand why you can't live with the fact a professional writer doesn't like a car.

[mike_1985]

Because a professional writer should not dismiss anything that he doesnt like in this matter . He should point out the bad points and the good points .

Saying that this car is stE is not the same is it ?

I accept that someone like me and you have the right to express such feelings for whatever we want but personally hoped for alot more from a someone who writes for a car magazine thats all.

Edited by mike_1985 on Monday 8th September 20:27

[nervous]

mike_1985 said:

I think you would find the wife thing was a personal attack even thou I dont know your circumstances

oh dear, thats against the rules here. thats a shame. itd be too sad to lose you. perhaps you could see your way to apologising?

mike said:

So can you tell me why Car Magazine sells 100k copies each month ? For the pretty pictures or the reviews ?

both I would think. why do you ask?

mike said:

I know which one it is, reviews from different magazine have played a big part in my decision making while comparing cars.
What I want from a review is proffesional and un biased advice

riiight. I see. Never read a bad review before and then read others that are different? Always go by the first review you see? Cant think for yourself? Oh, wait. scratch that last one.

If youd like to tell me how my opinion- note: not review, this isnt a magazine article however much you would like it to be to add false hope and misplaced-strength to your argument- is unproffesional, I'll happily take on baord your thoughts.

as for unbiased, its a tricky one that, really.

for starters, you could argue that no motoring journalism is unbiased, since both suppliers of cars and mags have to play the game a little if they want to exist in harmony.

but more importantly than that, how can any one be unbiased on anything theyre interested in? I like cars, and I want cars to handle a certain way, explicit to their purpose. If they dont, my bias towards how I feel they should have felt plays a part.

or are you suggesting im anti-nissan? or anti v6? Ive already stated ealrier in this thread that i wanted to like it, love this sort of thing, was excited about getting to drive one, am a big fan of the engine (its the same one in the micra 350sr- have you driven that? I like to know your thoughts) and was hopeful of liking it. The reason i didnt was because I didnt feel it was very well resolved, and therefore it didnt make me want one. thats not bias, thats research and findings.

now then, about that apology?

[RoadRailer]

mike_1985 said:

His opinion as car magazine writer is nothing to joke about . I wonder how much bad advice he has given to people that look up to his review .
Thats my problem , he aint any tom dick n harry is he ? He is a proffesional that has the power to influence people when they read the magazine he writes for

Instead of saying the 350z is ste , maybe a bit of word diplomacy would ve been alot more sensible . Dont you think

Some of his reviews are a tad funny IMO.

Funny haha rather than funny weird that is.

If I was to base my car buying decisions on the words of a lone reviewer (nice hair a bonus...) that would make me a larger plonker than you have came across as in this thread...

Fortunately I'm far too much of a german marque snob to buy any ricer. Even one as, like, totally frickin awesome as a 350z isn't. IMO

[nervous]

mike_1985 said:

Because a proffesinall writer should dismiss anything that he doesnt like . He should point out the bad points and the good points .


Saying that this car is stE is not the same is it ?


I accept that someone like me and you have the right to express such feelings for whatever we want but personally hoped for alot more from a someone who writes for a car magazine thats all.

and had I been writing a review I would have been a lot more explicit. but since i was simply posting on an internet forum, I wasnt. do you see the difference?

[nervous]

chris_w666 said:

I don't understand why you can't live with the fact a professional writer doesn't like a car.

I dont understand this either. moreso why another journalist on this thread was just as upset about my opinion. its just cars on the internet, innit?

[nervous]

RoadRailer said:

Some of his reviews are a tad funny IMO.

Funny haha rather than funny weird that is.

If I was to base my car buying decisions on the words of a lone reviewer (nice hair a bonus...) that would make me a larger plonker than you have came across as in this thread...

Fortunately I'm far too much of a german marque snob to buy any ricer. Even one as, like, totally frickin awesome as a 350z isn't. IMO

I'll give you half an hour to go on talking like this, but after that Im afraid you'll have to tone it down to three or four compliments an hour, ok?

[bad_roo]

I think what Mike is trying to say is that motoring journalists should be held to higher critical standards than many others and that had Nervous initially explained his position in a more reasoned manner (as he is now doing), nobody would have taken exception.

I think, at least. I could be wrong.

[chris_w666]

nervous said:

chris_w666 said:

I don't understand why you can't live with the fact a professional writer doesn't like a car.

I dont understand this either. moreso why another journalist on this thread was just as upset about my opinion. its just cars on the internet, innit?

I thought it was. You say what you think, I say what I think, someone agrees with one of us etc etc etc.

Maybe you should just write every post as a full magazine article just to be safe in future.

[bad_roo]

An evening meal of Rich Tea biscuits has left me feeling unfulfilled.

Edited by bad_roo on Monday 8th September 20:35

[otolith]

Nervous, without wishing to intrude on this very amusing exchange, I am intrigued by the "sttest car I've ever driven" angle. I mean, I've driven some bloody awful cars, and I find it hard to believe that the 350Z is, in objective and absolute terms, a worse car than say, a Ford Orion diesel or a Perodua Kenari or a Corsa B. So have you simply been lucky enough never to have driven anything truly dire, or is it relative to price and aspiration, or is it really a worse car than a diesel Metro? What are the other four cars in your bottom five?