RE: New 911 Turbo S Revealed
Discussion
ThirdShift said:
okgo said:
What car is this competing with then?
How much is an R8/Gallardo?
GT-R How much is an R8/Gallardo?
its cheaper and faster around the N-ring, open and shut case.
I actually test drove a gTR in SA,
They are highly nursed by minders when test driven, There is an active campaign to avoid the car being hammered consistently, clearly the car cant handle it, numerous mags have reported the same.
A Turbo is nothing if not robust, secondly the GTR is fat and heavy its consumption is absolutely dire the salesman who was a swat on the car admitted even on light toddling it was just into double digits.
People think turbo's leave you cold! Then stay away from a GTR mate, its pure point and squirt material, Interior is well short of Turbo's cabin and is just a tricked up Nissan.
Straight Line the Porker will roast this 1900kilo fatso and probably on many less windy tracks if this is your sole determinant. I reckon this GTR will buckle under use and cost a fortune to repair, wait till some thrashed examples start showing up.
Little Lineage in comparison and No badge cred.
I point you back to this post:
My main plus points for this car are as follows.
1. Porsche Turbo servicing is currently a minor service every 2 years or 24000 miles and a major service every 4 years. This equates to around £400 for a minor service and £1000 for a major service. How many hypercars can you buy at this cost?
2. The current car gives 24.8 miles to the gallon on the combined cycle. How many hypercars can do this?
3. The performance from the car is breathtaking. The 997 Turbo facelift does 0-60 MPH in 3.6 secs with PDK and sports chrono package. Many test drivers have reached 0-60 in between 3.0-3.2 secs. The turbo S is quoted as 3.3. I would be amazed if test drivers are regularly not hitting 60 mph in 3 secs or maybe even 2.9 seconds. It's not just the 0-60 times. Look at all the different acceleration scenerarios and very very few cars can live with it.
4. If you add all the options that are on the car you would be very close to hitting 20k anyway. The PCCB brakes and PDK along with Sports Chrono Package cost around 10k by themselves, so I think it is good value as residuals are bound to be stronger. Even once the 998 turbo is out, this model will still be the latest S Turbo.
5. Looks is in the eye of the beholder but I think it a stunning car. I think just because the shape has not change massively over the years should not detract from the fact that is an excellent all rounder sports car. For me it's just perfect.
ponkyporky said:
ThirdShift said:
okgo said:
What car is this competing with then?
How much is an R8/Gallardo?
GT-R How much is an R8/Gallardo?
its cheaper and faster around the N-ring, open and shut case.
I actually test drove a gTR in SA,
They are highly nursed by minders when test driven, There is an active campaign to avoid the car being hammered consistently, clearly the car cant handle it, numerous mags have reported the same.
A Turbo is nothing if not robust, secondly the GTR is fat and heavy its consumption is absolutely dire the salesman who was a swat on the car admitted even on light toddling it was just into double digits.
People think turbo's leave you cold! Then stay away from a GTR mate, its pure point and squirt material, Interior is well short of Turbo's cabin and is just a tricked up Nissan.
Straight Line the Porker will roast this 1900kilo fatso and probably on many less windy tracks if this is your sole determinant. I reckon this GTR will buckle under use and cost a fortune to repair, wait till some thrashed examples start showing up.
Little Lineage in comparison and No badge cred.
I point you back to this post:
My main plus points for this car are as follows.
1. Porsche Turbo servicing is currently a minor service every 2 years or 24000 miles and a major service every 4 years. This equates to around £400 for a minor service and £1000 for a major service. How many hypercars can you buy at this cost?
2. The current car gives 24.8 miles to the gallon on the combined cycle. How many hypercars can do this?
3. The performance from the car is breathtaking. The 997 Turbo facelift does 0-60 MPH in 3.6 secs with PDK and sports chrono package. Many test drivers have reached 0-60 in between 3.0-3.2 secs. The turbo S is quoted as 3.3. I would be amazed if test drivers are regularly not hitting 60 mph in 3 secs or maybe even 2.9 seconds. It's not just the 0-60 times. Look at all the different acceleration scenerarios and very very few cars can live with it.
4. If you add all the options that are on the car you would be very close to hitting 20k anyway. The PCCB brakes and PDK along with Sports Chrono Package cost around 10k by themselves, so I think it is good value as residuals are bound to be stronger. Even once the 998 turbo is out, this model will still be the latest S Turbo.
5. Looks is in the eye of the beholder but I think it a stunning car. I think just because the shape has not change massively over the years should not detract from the fact that is an excellent all rounder sports car. For me it's just perfect.
broker1 said:
There are no women in my office.
It is the wrong car for me.
I am young and yes image is important to me.
Sorry if this is bothersome to you guys but I was just being frank.
Its not bothersome to me at all many are in your position, you should ask your office mates what would impress them then and buy that.It is the wrong car for me.
I am young and yes image is important to me.
Sorry if this is bothersome to you guys but I was just being frank.
Many here like to have there own reasons tho' when they spend £120k.
broker1 said:
BIST0 said:
It would be interesting to get a view of the car from potential buyers. Not the vast majority of us posting here who couldn't buy one new even if we wanted.
I love 911s but I think it looks too bland for the money, will be too anodyne a drive for my tastes and will simply be even more unusably fast for our roads than the standard Turbo is.
However, I am clearly not the target market for this car. Hence my request for input from those who could feasibly end up in one.
Interestingly perhaps, I don't really have a desire to become the target market for this car.
Well said. FWIW I'll be taking a GT2 out before I go near this...... your point about the drive being anodyne is a truth when compared to some of the other 911 derivitives. Its obviously a hugely impressive bit of engineering, but is unlikely to turn many heads in my work car park.I love 911s but I think it looks too bland for the money, will be too anodyne a drive for my tastes and will simply be even more unusably fast for our roads than the standard Turbo is.
However, I am clearly not the target market for this car. Hence my request for input from those who could feasibly end up in one.
Interestingly perhaps, I don't really have a desire to become the target market for this car.
ponkyporky said:
ThirdShift said:
okgo said:
What car is this competing with then?
How much is an R8/Gallardo?
GT-R How much is an R8/Gallardo?
its cheaper and faster around the N-ring, open and shut case.
I actually test drove a gTR in SA,
They are highly nursed by minders when test driven, There is an active campaign to avoid the car being hammered consistently, clearly the car cant handle it, numerous mags have reported the same.
A Turbo is nothing if not robust, secondly the GTR is fat and heavy its consumption is absolutely dire the salesman who was a swat on the car admitted even on light toddling it was just into double digits.
People think turbo's leave you cold! Then stay away from a GTR mate, its pure point and squirt material, Interior is well short of Turbo's cabin and is just a tricked up Nissan.
Straight Line the Porker will roast this 1900kilo fatso and probably on many less windy tracks if this is your sole determinant. I reckon this GTR will buckle under use and cost a fortune to repair, wait till some thrashed examples start showing up.
Little Lineage in comparison and No badge cred.
I point you back to this post:
My main plus points for this car are as follows.
1. Porsche Turbo servicing is currently a minor service every 2 years or 24000 miles and a major service every 4 years. This equates to around £400 for a minor service and £1000 for a major service. How many hypercars can you buy at this cost?
2. The current car gives 24.8 miles to the gallon on the combined cycle. How many hypercars can do this?
3. The performance from the car is breathtaking. The 997 Turbo facelift does 0-60 MPH in 3.6 secs with PDK and sports chrono package. Many test drivers have reached 0-60 in between 3.0-3.2 secs. The turbo S is quoted as 3.3. I would be amazed if test drivers are regularly not hitting 60 mph in 3 secs or maybe even 2.9 seconds. It's not just the 0-60 times. Look at all the different acceleration scenerarios and very very few cars can live with it.
4. If you add all the options that are on the car you would be very close to hitting 20k anyway. The PCCB brakes and PDK along with Sports Chrono Package cost around 10k by themselves, so I think it is good value as residuals are bound to be stronger. Even once the 998 turbo is out, this model will still be the latest S Turbo.
5. Looks is in the eye of the beholder but I think it a stunning car. I think just because the shape has not change massively over the years should not detract from the fact that is an excellent all rounder sports car. For me it's just perfect.
Alas my experiences of porsche turbos is somewhat different.My 996 tt was parked up in my garage and the engine caught on fire,the car was 1 month out of warranty and had 6000 mile son it,and you know what porsche did for me...nothing .( numerous 996 tt have done the same ,there is a fault on the car which porsche do not admit to.)
Muggins here then ordered a new 997tt when they came out,I had the car 8 months of which 5 months it was off the road with an electrical fault .Having left the car with Porsche Bolton to rectify whilst i holidayed for 4 weeks,I came back to find that not only had porsche sent the wrong wiring loom over,but the genius's at the porsche garage had no courtesy car for me to use.
I have had numerous porsches over the years,loved the 996tt and 997 carrera S (series 1) ,the 997 is a bit remote and lacks any character,a phenomenal car,but it just does not feel 100k's worth.Porsche have had me down at silverstone testing all their new models and I found them to far too diluted,punting a 997 c2s round the circuit ..all i wanted to do was jump in the r8.
The 997tt and gtr are both blunt instruments,they are amongst the very quickest roadf cars you can buy regardless of cost,but they are both a bit remote , and lacking a bit of character.That being said I would consider a gtr ,and were it not for porsche customer service I would probably still be driving a 997tt,although I am glad now I ended up with the audi.
broker1 said:
There are no women in my office.
It is the wrong car for me.
I am young and yes image is important to me.
Sorry if this is bothersome to you guys but I was just being frank.
Get something with serious head turning ability. You will rapidly start to rethink your ideas.It is the wrong car for me.
I am young and yes image is important to me.
Sorry if this is bothersome to you guys but I was just being frank.
It gets tiresome. VERY tiresome and not a little bit freaky.
It isnt your mates that are the problem but the other numpties on the road.
Oh and lasses. Er, just a lil note to warn you about the myth of flashy cars impressing them. It *might* not be true. In fact your know the line from Shania Twain "I can believe you kiss you car goodnight, you must be joking right?" well that starts ringing bells in their head when they realise you have a strong attachment to your flash motor.
What Im saying is impressing people with flashy motors can turn out to be a right ballache.
Edited by DJC on Wednesday 10th February 10:09
I have the "cooking" 997.2 turbo, pleased with it, but the opportunities to use even the power I have now are few and far between and at no time have I ever thought, I just need an extra 30 bhp! This car is aimed, as Porsche freely admit, at those who want the top of the range no matter what.
Actually, the price of the entrance ticket is not that bad given the options which are bundled in as standard (PCCB, PDK, Sport Chrono, PTV, RS Spyders, Seats, Paddles, Cruise, CD Changer - something like £16 - 18k) compared to the standard car.
As for the dull styling, that's the appeal of a 911, even in turbo guise, people don't notice you. I have an ageing F-car (F355) and I feel a real prat driving around in it.
Actually, the price of the entrance ticket is not that bad given the options which are bundled in as standard (PCCB, PDK, Sport Chrono, PTV, RS Spyders, Seats, Paddles, Cruise, CD Changer - something like £16 - 18k) compared to the standard car.
As for the dull styling, that's the appeal of a 911, even in turbo guise, people don't notice you. I have an ageing F-car (F355) and I feel a real prat driving around in it.
DJC said:
broker1 said:
There are no women in my office.
It is the wrong car for me.
I am young and yes image is important to me.
Sorry if this is bothersome to you guys but I was just being frank.
Get something with serious head turning ability. You will rapidly start to rethink your ideas.It is the wrong car for me.
I am young and yes image is important to me.
Sorry if this is bothersome to you guys but I was just being frank.
It gets tiresome. VERY tiresome and not a little bit freaky.
It isnt your mates that are the problem but the other numpties on the road.
Oh and lasses. Er, just a lil note to warn you about the myth of flashy cars impressing them. It *might* not be true. In fact your know the line from Shania Twain "I can believe you kiss you car goodnight, you must be joking right?" well that starts ringing bells in their head when they realise you have a strong attachment to your flash motor.
What Im saying is impressing people with flashy motors can turn out to be a right ballache.
Edited by DJC on Wednesday 10th February 10:09
I ran an R8 through the second half of 2008 and you had to sweep a gaggle of people away each time you tried to get in having been shopping - it became embarrasing. I've also found flash cars to be 'counter' productive with the ladies as you point out, in that they assume you think you're the blx and are wary of adding to what they percieve as a serious ego - its ok once they realise you're normal though...
Currently I run a Cayman S DE1 (summer) and an S3 (winter) which in all black clothes strike the right balance, for me anyway, of subtlety and overt desirability. However, I guess the point I was making earlier was that for a 120k I want something that shouts abit more...
Edited by broker1 on Wednesday 10th February 11:35
I have had 3 Porsche's and then 2 Ferrari's 360 and 430 the passion of Ferrari is always great, but value for money against the Turbo S is rubbish, I bet running costs on the Turbo S will be less than 25% of the Ferrari, and remember Porsche dont rust, I have seen rust on Ferrari's only 2 years old, the thing here I feel is the Turbo S is getting quite steep in cost against even a Ferrari, Porsche are pushing the price a bit this time add a few nice extras on the Turbo S and you are at £130K too much for a Porsche. Still a great car, and I like the fact you dont have to be on show everytime you drive the car.
I dont think there is much doubt that in reality the S offers poor value compared to the standard Gen 2 997 Turbo but as said its aimed at people who want the top model whatever the cost.
And it will make Porsche money and thats something they do quite well. Just look at the recent 911 Sport Classic! £135K for a car which is basically a C2S with some more leather, ducktail spoiler and different seats. All sold before they even started production.
Although the performance may be similar to a 430 scud or 458 they are entirely different propositions. People buy Turbos to use day in, day out 365 days a year. Not many buy 430 / 458's for that.
And as for the GTR, yes its a performance bargain and does pretty much everything a Turbo does but then a £20 Casio digital watch does pretty much everything a £3K Tag does. Doesnt stop people wanting a Tag.
And it will make Porsche money and thats something they do quite well. Just look at the recent 911 Sport Classic! £135K for a car which is basically a C2S with some more leather, ducktail spoiler and different seats. All sold before they even started production.
Although the performance may be similar to a 430 scud or 458 they are entirely different propositions. People buy Turbos to use day in, day out 365 days a year. Not many buy 430 / 458's for that.
And as for the GTR, yes its a performance bargain and does pretty much everything a Turbo does but then a £20 Casio digital watch does pretty much everything a £3K Tag does. Doesnt stop people wanting a Tag.
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