RE: Porsche Reveals Hybrid 918 Spyder
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35secToNuvolari said:
I enjoyed the surprise of this car as well.
I like that they changed the angle of the roll bar from what's on the Carrera GT.
Thats it, aesthetically, in a nutshell.. amazing what that detail can do...the curves are more pronounced too...but that single angle has a massive impact...I like that they changed the angle of the roll bar from what's on the Carrera GT.
Streetrod said:
OlberJ said:
Is it actually based on a CGT tub though?
I dont think so as the wheel base and dimensionms are very different. I will post up the numbers laterhttp://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/249202/geneva_vi...
Edited by evile on Thursday 4th March 12:44
evile said:
Streetrod said:
OlberJ said:
Is it actually based on a CGT tub though?
I dont think so as the wheel base and dimensionms are very different. I will post up the numbers laterhttp://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/249202/geneva_vi...
Edited by evile on Thursday 4th March 12:44
chuntington101 said:
Havoc, you might want to take a look at the Rotrex style of supercharger. They work a little like a belt driven turbo. This give you more boost the higher the RPM. I have heard great things about them being used on bike engines and the Honda KA20s. also you can use a conventional Air to air intercooler rather than the more complex air to water.
Can you see direct injection and fuels like E85 bringing back the classic N/A, and turbo for that mater, engines?....
I had heard about them, but I've not experienced one.Can you see direct injection and fuels like E85 bringing back the classic N/A, and turbo for that mater, engines?....
E85 - personally I think that is one of the worst ideas, environmentally speaking, that anyone has had - lets transfer some of the world's fuel demand to crops. Which given the huge level of demand has natually led to third-world countries with lots of spare land (currently RAINFOREST) converting that spare land to oil-palm cultivation!
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(Put more succinctly - those political c**ts forcing biofuels on people are doing more to harm our biosphere than S.American cattle-ranchers and loggers combined!!!)
DI - maybe, but don't those engines sound boring?!? Same evolution as carbs to EFI though I guess...
In reality I can't see anything short of a reversal of the current policies on emissions bringing back n/a performance engines into the mainstream. BMW have already started moving to FI...if Honda do the same then ring the bell, time's up!
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havoc said:
In reality I can't see anything short of a reversal of the current policies on emissions bringing back n/a performance engines into the mainstream. BMW have already started moving to FI...if Honda do the same then ring the bell, time's up! ![frown](/inc/images/frown.gif)
Turbocharged engines are awesome, try to step out of your comfort zone and drive a car with a straight 6 turbocharged or a V8 turbocharged engine.![frown](/inc/images/frown.gif)
Turbos do not hide the character of an engine and can in many ways add character, you can still easily feel the difference between a high revving turbo engine to an engine with huge low to mid range grunt, turbos do not dictate power delivery and engine behavior alone.
Regards,
Anh
Anh said:
havoc said:
In reality I can't see anything short of a reversal of the current policies on emissions bringing back n/a performance engines into the mainstream. BMW have already started moving to FI...if Honda do the same then ring the bell, time's up! ![frown](/inc/images/frown.gif)
Turbocharged engines are awesome, try to step out of your comfort zone and drive a car with a straight 6 turbocharged or a V8 turbocharged engine.![frown](/inc/images/frown.gif)
Turbos do not hide the character of an engine and can in many ways add character, you can still easily feel the difference between a high revving turbo engine to an engine with huge low to mid range grunt, turbos do not dictate power delivery and engine behavior alone.
Regards,
Anh
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Trouble is, you've no idea what sorts of cars I've already driven...so that comment could be as mis-directed as a US airstrike in Iraq!
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evile said:
Streetrod said:
OlberJ said:
Is it actually based on a CGT tub though?
I dont think so as the wheel base and dimensionms are very different. I will post up the numbers laterhttp://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/249202/geneva_vi...
Edited by evile on Thursday 4th March 12:44
Would be nice if it's possible for someone to get the wheelbase etc measurements for us.
OlberJ said:
evile said:
Streetrod said:
OlberJ said:
Is it actually based on a CGT tub though?
I dont think so as the wheel base and dimensionms are very different. I will post up the numbers laterhttp://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/249202/geneva_vi...
Edited by evile on Thursday 4th March 12:44
Would be nice if it's possible for someone to get the wheelbase etc measurements for us.
Carrera GT
Wheelbase 107.5
Length 4,623 mm (182.0 in)[1]
Width 1,930 mm (76 in)[1]
Height 1,168 mm (46.0 in)[1]
Curb weight 1,380 kg (3,000 lb)[1]
918 Spyder
Wheelbase 104.3
Length 177
Width 76
Hight 43
Curbweight 1490
Streetrod said:
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As has been confirmed it is based on a CGT tub, here are the dimensions:
Carrera GT
Wheelbase 2,730mm( 107.5 in)
Length 4,623 mm (182.0 in)[1]
Width 1,930 mm (76 in)[1]
Height 1,168 mm (46.0 in)[1]
Curb weight 1,380 kg (3,000 lb)[1]
918 Spyder
Wheelbase 104.3 = 2.649mm
Length 177 = 4.495mm
Width 76 = 1.930mm
Hight 43 = 1.092mm
Curbweight 1490
I filled in the mm to get a better overview for us metric peopple As has been confirmed it is based on a CGT tub, here are the dimensions:
Carrera GT
Wheelbase 2,730mm( 107.5 in)
Length 4,623 mm (182.0 in)[1]
Width 1,930 mm (76 in)[1]
Height 1,168 mm (46.0 in)[1]
Curb weight 1,380 kg (3,000 lb)[1]
918 Spyder
Wheelbase 104.3 = 2.649mm
Length 177 = 4.495mm
Width 76 = 1.930mm
Hight 43 = 1.092mm
Curbweight 1490
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so the 918 Spyder is a bit shorter and just as wide wich is good/nice for looks.
havoc said:
Ah bless, you're trying to be confrontational! ![nono](/inc/images/nono.gif)
Trouble is, you've no idea what sorts of cars I've already driven...so that comment could be as mis-directed as a US airstrike in Iraq!![biggrin](/inc/images/biggrin.gif)
Your previous turbo bashing posts in this thread mentioned you drove some Scooby and some Golf GTI to illustrate why you think turbos are not suited for "proper sports cars"![nono](/inc/images/nono.gif)
Trouble is, you've no idea what sorts of cars I've already driven...so that comment could be as mis-directed as a US airstrike in Iraq!
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They are both 4 bangers built to a price.
Regards,
Anh
Anh said:
...your turbo bashing posts...
Don't take things personally chap, otherwise you'll be forever fighting on here. I'm just stating I don't like them as much as n/a - and I was saying that in response to someone saying this car 'needed' turbos...which is patent nonsense! WGAF whether the car has 500bhp or 1,500bhp, I'll wager that only a fraction of owners (and a small fraction of PHers) have the ability to properly use even the 500! After that it just becomes pub bragging rights which is IMHO the worst reason to give a car more power...I've driven plenty of powerful cars - up to c.400bhp, FYI, across a variety of powerplants - V-6 and I-6, V-8, I-4 and I-5; turbo (modern and old-school), s'charged and n/a. And:-
1) I don't personally see any need for big power, not on UK roads...for me it'd just be a temptation to lose my license. My NSX is far too quick and capable for the roads around me, despite being amongst the least powerful of the options I looked at to replace the S2000 - it was a car I've longed for for years and it's not disappointed...certainly no need for any turbos there!
2) The character of a turbo engine don't change just because you've more cubes or more cylinders, same as the delivery of an n/a engine doesn't change. Sure you get engines which deliver power low-down and you get screamers, but that's not what I'm talking about re: "character".
3) The more torque you have, the more 'robust' you need a gearbox to be...and quite frankly there's nothing worse for me than a big, clunky gearbox...that and the poor visibility are the main two things that put me off the C6 'vette.
havoc said:
Anh said:
...your turbo bashing posts...
Don't take things personally chap, otherwise you'll be forever fighting on here. I'm just stating I don't like them as much as n/a - and I was saying that in response to someone saying this car 'needed' turbos...which is patent nonsense! WGAF whether the car has 500bhp or 1,500bhp, I'll wager that only a fraction of owners (and a small fraction of PHers) have the ability to properly use even the 500! After that it just becomes pub bragging rights which is IMHO the worst reason to give a car more power...However a powerful turbocharged inlne 6, twin turbo V8, or even a twin turbo rotary puts matters into another league, dont take my word for it, go out and drive a car with these engines.
Regards,
Anh
havoc said:
Anh said:
...your turbo bashing posts...
Don't take things personally chap, otherwise you'll be forever fighting on here. I'm just stating I don't like them as much as n/a - and I was saying that in response to someone saying this car 'needed' turbos...which is patent nonsense! WGAF whether the car has 500bhp or 1,500bhp, I'll wager that only a fraction of owners (and a small fraction of PHers) have the ability to properly use even the 500! After that it just becomes pub bragging rights which is IMHO the worst reason to give a car more power...I've driven plenty of powerful cars - up to c.400bhp, FYI, across a variety of powerplants - V-6 and I-6, V-8, I-4 and I-5; turbo (modern and old-school), s'charged and n/a. And:-
1) I don't personally see any need for big power, not on UK roads...for me it'd just be a temptation to lose my license. My NSX is far too quick and capable for the roads around me, despite being amongst the least powerful of the options I looked at to replace the S2000 - it was a car I've longed for for years and it's not disappointed...certainly no need for any turbos there!
2) The character of a turbo engine don't change just because you've more cubes or more cylinders, same as the delivery of an n/a engine doesn't change. Sure you get engines which deliver power low-down and you get screamers, but that's not what I'm talking about re: "character".
3) The more torque you have, the more 'robust' you need a gearbox to be...and quite frankly there's nothing worse for me than a big, clunky gearbox...that and the poor visibility are the main two things that put me off the C6 'vette.
Its great to see droolworthy limited edition halo cars in the £500/600k range. It would also be good to see porsche do a car above the 911, at say £140-180k range to take on the MP4-12C/458s (but perhaps that would be trampling on Lambo's toes?)
Also is the 918 meant to show Porsche's new interior design language? if so, a deep sigh and hallelujah
Also is the 918 meant to show Porsche's new interior design language? if so, a deep sigh and hallelujah
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