RE: Driven: Bugatti Veyron Super Sport

[carbon2011]

AV12 said:

I don't think Bugatti claimed it to be the "fastest car on a twisty road", do you?

It's the fastest meaning a car with the highest proven top speed. Owing to your constant quoting of top gear you must have seen the top speed verified, both times.

It is a simply stupendously fast, high quality car which has yet to be beaten for sheer pace in a straight line. Bugatti were not going for Ferrari, they created without trying a niche "Hypercar" sector. It is only now cars of quality (NOT specials with stripped interiors based on American V8s) are catching up and want a piece of the £1m Hypercar sector. Notice how much £500,000+ cars there are now?

While it's not everyone's taste, you simply cannot deny its a history making car and is hardly "soulless". I wonder if it was made in Italy would people be saying the same comment

I dont know why people doubt the veyrons capability on twisty tracks.
This car easily beat the enzo on the top gear test track. Top gear can be quoted as saying 0-60 and top speed is irrelavant on this track.

Can you imagine what a **standard** veyron can acheive on nurburgring. . The gtr has achieved 7:26 enzo has acheived 7:25 both which the veyron beat on the top gear track. All the topend power, speed and breaking ability along with high speed cornering I'm guessing around 7:10 ish and this could probably do it in under 7:00. So yeah the twisty capability to demolish ferraris is all there.And to do it time and time again without an italian flar aswell.

[MonteV]

VW/"Bugatti" got everything right except the looks. Performance, check; sound, check; luxurious, check; fit and finish, check. Looks - sorry, fail. Goes for all the Veyrons, not just the SuperSport.

Edited by MonteV on Sunday 31st October 20:45

[KM666]

those seats look like they might want for some extra support, is it just the picture or are they really fat man bucket seats. and as for its 'outstanding braking' does a clio 172 not manage 100-0 in 3.9 seconds? yes ladies and gents the clio can claim to be 0.2 seconds quicker then a veyron in at least one area

[KM666]

RudeDog said:

Great piece of engineering but why did they make the SuperSport look like a chav'ed up version of what was previously a fantastic looking car? (OK, the Veyron might not be everyone's cup of tea style-wise but few can doubt that it was a "quality" looking machine)

i was thinking that about the cystal rear lights, not seen lights like that since vauxhall novas and minis took em up in the 90's

[quote] I for one also cannot understand how can you claim the world's fastest production car (not made in a shed) is dull? I am sure that most people here would crap their pants if given a proper passenger ride in that, and for myself am sure that me driving it flat out to the speed limit will most definitely rival any other exhilaration that I've ever experienced (and will) in my life.

This car is an unprecedented example of what engineering can achieve. It's on the level of the space shuttle (as someone already mentioned). I literally get excited thinking about how well engineered it is. In my mind you really do have to be ignorant and dull to pass this car on as anything else but the pinnacle of car engineering.

well engineered? does it have light up indicator and wiper stalks like the vauxhall carlton? oh! shown up by a 1980's repmobile....

Edited by KM666 on Sunday 31st October 22:04

[MonteV]

RudeDog said:

GTRene said:

damn so fast at 300km/h

the interior looks good.

It annoys me when manufacturers overlook the drinks holders...

[XitUp]

MonteV said:

VW/"Bugatti" got everything right except the looks. Performance, check; sound, check; luxurious, check; fit and finish, check. Looks - sorry, fail. Goes for all the Veyrons, not just the SuperSport.

Edited by MonteV on Sunday 31st October 20:45

Sound? Really?

[LongLiveTazio]

XitUp said:

MonteV said:

VW/"Bugatti" got everything right except the looks. Performance, check; sound, check; luxurious, check; fit and finish, check. Looks - sorry, fail. Goes for all the Veyrons, not just the SuperSport.

Edited by MonteV on Sunday 31st October 20:45

Sound? Really?

It's a unique sound thanks to the unique engine. I really like it personally.

As for looks... how many cars are genuinely pretty, if that's what you want? It is much more compact in the flesh than you would think having looked at photos and looks very purposeful, which is kinda the point.

[Dagnut]

KM666 said:

those seats look like they might want for some extra support, is it just the picture or are they really fat man bucket seats. and as for its 'outstanding braking' does a clio 172 not manage 100-0 in 3.9 seconds? yes ladies and gents the clio can claim to be 0.2 seconds quicker then a veyron in at least one area

Just down to weight, plain and simple.

[TonyHetherington]

BILL PAYER said:

VAG are marketing the Veyron as the fastest car in the world, which in real world terms when you start to put bends and corners into the equasion, it most certainly is not.

What's your source for that? All the magazines I've read disagree with you.

[PunterCam]

Dagnut said:

TheArchitect said:

RE the Top Gear episode my understanding was the veyron was overheating and they wernt allowed to use launch control. Ive seen a few stories of veyrons struggling in high temperatures how much truth there is i dont know but with the turbos and the amount of cooling it seems feasable. I would worry about the same now with the SS as its going to be even more stretched.

Stunning car though as an engineers exercise its something to be proud of imo. Concorde, Mclaren F1 and this are all truely ground breaking things. I do think VAG shouldnt try to produce a replacement straight away either.

All turbo cars struggle in hot temperatures, turbo s perform better when its cold, all cars do as a rule. Colder air is denser and the heat effects forced induction cars more

Is that not backwards? I thought turbo cars were less affected by temperature, as they just forced air in until it was at the correct density, which would be identical whether it was hot or cold. N/a cars just fill a volume at atmospheric pressure - so less air when hot, more when cold.

Or am I talking pish?


And is the above braking comparison with a clio from a 0-100-0 test? Cause we all know that skews braking numbers. Or if not, good clio. Nice clio.

Edited by PunterCam on Tuesday 2nd November 00:08

[Blue Meanie]

If the density is lower, or higher, it still has to work to get x amount of pressure.

[will261058]

callyman said:

"Even if you're lucky enough to be employed to drive a Formula One car every other weekend between March and November, the Veyron SS can, in its way, deliver an even bigger burst of acceleration where it counts."

Where exactley? 200-250 mph? like that would happen on a regular basis.
Any F1 car from the last 10 years would demolish the performance and braking capabilities of it.
An F1 car is circa 1500 BHP/tonne and can from standstill reach 100 mph and return to zero mph in around 4 seconds.

0-100-0 in 4 seconds, no way even the enterprise going at warp 9 couldnt do that! Apologies to Scotty

[traxx]

Dagnut said:

How did you get to drive the supersport? (not doubting btw just curious)

Customer event at Paul Ricard and local roads
I've driven most "top end" cars and the SS is just on another level
although I also doubt you could own the car and keep your driving license, its just too easy to drive at a high speed

[AV12]

Despite people's obvious prejudices, it's redefined car performance and usability. There's absolutely no escaping it. Sensational package.

[Dagnut]

traxx said:

Dagnut said:

How did you get to drive the supersport? (not doubting btw just curious)

Customer event at Paul Ricard and local roads
I've driven most "top end" cars and the SS is just on another level
although I also doubt you could own the car and keep your driving license, its just too easy to drive at a high speed

nice....

[Dagnut]

PunterCam said:

Dagnut said:

TheArchitect said:

RE the Top Gear episode my understanding was the veyron was overheating and they wernt allowed to use launch control. Ive seen a few stories of veyrons struggling in high temperatures how much truth there is i dont know but with the turbos and the amount of cooling it seems feasable. I would worry about the same now with the SS as its going to be even more stretched.

Stunning car though as an engineers exercise its something to be proud of imo. Concorde, Mclaren F1 and this are all truely ground breaking things. I do think VAG shouldnt try to produce a replacement straight away either.

All turbo cars struggle in hot temperatures, turbo s perform better when its cold, all cars do as a rule. Colder air is denser and the heat effects forced induction cars more

Is that not backwards? I thought turbo cars were less affected by temperature, as they just forced air in until it was at the correct density, which would be identical whether it was hot or cold. N/a cars just fill a volume at atmospheric pressure - so less air when hot, more when cold.

Or am I talking pish?


And is the above braking comparison with a clio from a 0-100-0 test? Cause we all know that skews braking numbers. Or if not, good clio. Nice clio.

Edited by PunterCam on Tuesday 2nd November 00:08

Yes the turbo will compress the air to the required boost but because the air is compressed more,worked more,what ever you want to say it leaves the turbo hotter, puts more strain on the intercooler because it has warmer air to use so it has a knock on affect...plus the turbo running hooter means more heat in the engine bay...hope that makes sense it probably doesn't....my experience from being at dynos is N/A cars are less effected by heat, or you see a bigger disparity in performance for a turbo. Don't know if there are any dyno operators here - or any one with some experience of dynoing a car in extreme hot or cold should be able to back me up.
I'm sure the effect is magnified when running 4 giant turbo s in a comparatively small engine bay like the Veyron.
I could be completely wrong here, that's just my understanding of it

[TheArchitect]

from my old 1.8t yes heat affects the turbos a lot so id hate to imagine how much heat needs to be dissapated for a veyron to hit 1000hp in dubai temps.

[rotarykid]

AV12 said:

I don't think Bugatti claimed it to be the "fastest car on a twisty road", do you?

It's the fastest meaning a car with the highest proven top speed. Owing to your constant quoting of top gear you must have seen the top speed verified, both times.

It is a simply stupendously fast, high quality car which has yet to be beaten for sheer pace in a straight line. Bugatti were not going for Ferrari, they created without trying a niche "Hypercar" sector. It is only now cars of quality (NOT specials with stripped interiors based on American V8s) are catching up and want a piece of the £1m Hypercar sector. Notice how much £500,000+ cars there are now?

While it's not everyone's taste, you simply cannot deny its a history making car and is hardly "soulless". I wonder if it was made in Italy would people be saying the same comment

The fastest time ever recorded on TopGear's track was recorded by this car , 1:16- flat .

The fastest speed ever recorded by a production car was clocked on this car , 267 mph on the VW test track in Germany .

TopGear's driver clocked 259 mph on this . And TopGear stated the price to be £1,700,000.oo ~ $2,670,000.oo all I can say is wow ...............

[harryowl]

rotarykid said:

The fastest time ever recorded on TopGear's track was recorded by this car , 1:16- flat .

Afraid not:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmtTm1rYdf0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc0rCMKQTCE

[HAB]

Top Gear track? Get a grip.