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stickleback123 said:
A more sensible example would be two comparable cars, a 5 series and a Honda Legend
It's a big part of why, although superficially similar, the Legend looks much s
ttier than the 5 series in stance and proportion. Partly through association of the cab forward/FWD shape with lame povvo boxes, and partly because of the thrusting look a large dash to axle ratio gives a car.
Thank you for that excellent and thorough explanation. I'm sure CDG feels much better informed now.It's a big part of why, although superficially similar, the Legend looks much s
ttier than the 5 series in stance and proportion. Partly through association of the cab forward/FWD shape with lame povvo boxes, and partly because of the thrusting look a large dash to axle ratio gives a car.Edited by stickleback123 on Tuesday 23 February 20:11
Joking aside, that (as others have said) does explain a lot. I think I knew some of that....eg the set up of VAG stuff. But you've brought it all together there.
I had a quick butchers on the Autocar website (came up as an advert) and I like the exterior of the C-class.
And compared to the new 3 series it's particularly appealing. Shame about the interior.
CharlesdeGaulle said:
Whilst on the subject of general new-car appeal, diesels, small 4 cylinder petrols and so on, I find myself at the other end of my normal bottom-feeder barge-fandom as I investigate new offerings. I won't bang on too much because I have said much of this before, but I am looking at new cars. I need to be able to collect a couple of people with luggage from the airport, so am after something reasonably practical, despite some 'what-iffing' with hot hatches and the LC500 (80,000 Eur to you guv, OTR). No diesel, regardless of size, it must be petrol. E-cars won't work for me but a mild hybrid would.
The fact is that the modern cars I have looked at have all been attractively packaged and are well-equipped. The fuel economy is unimaginably good to those of us that think mid-20s is a result in what we have at the moment. But - and here's the rub - one is pretty much restricted to 4 cylinder turbo engines unless you're prepared to spend hefty sums of money. When it's your own cash the idea of speccing the (largely 6-cyl) bigger engines, along with all the options that we find desirable when they filter into our little cess-pit, is distinctly unappealing.
Sure, a company lease or whatever might sugar that pill for many (and VAT-free helps, along with around 15% discount on Volvo, BMW or MB; 12% on Lexus) but it's still a lot of my money. I do want all the usual packs, and I do want brown seats, but the man that buys my car when it enters Barge budget will bemoan the fact that the parsimonious original buyer didn't pay for the pano roof or HUD or upgraded audio.
Each time I've sat in a new car I've enjoyed going back to my old one, with all the comforts and gizmos I need. Which, by the way, I have been offered 1000 Eur for as p/x; WBAC valuation is 1500 quid, so more than I expected.
Still thinking what to do and there are lots of variables in my case, but the 'I must have this in a Barge' approach is less do-able when it's multiples of our measly little budget we're playing with. First world problems I guess!
You certainly do know how to turn a phrase. The fact is that the modern cars I have looked at have all been attractively packaged and are well-equipped. The fuel economy is unimaginably good to those of us that think mid-20s is a result in what we have at the moment. But - and here's the rub - one is pretty much restricted to 4 cylinder turbo engines unless you're prepared to spend hefty sums of money. When it's your own cash the idea of speccing the (largely 6-cyl) bigger engines, along with all the options that we find desirable when they filter into our little cess-pit, is distinctly unappealing.
Sure, a company lease or whatever might sugar that pill for many (and VAT-free helps, along with around 15% discount on Volvo, BMW or MB; 12% on Lexus) but it's still a lot of my money. I do want all the usual packs, and I do want brown seats, but the man that buys my car when it enters Barge budget will bemoan the fact that the parsimonious original buyer didn't pay for the pano roof or HUD or upgraded audio.
Each time I've sat in a new car I've enjoyed going back to my old one, with all the comforts and gizmos I need. Which, by the way, I have been offered 1000 Eur for as p/x; WBAC valuation is 1500 quid, so more than I expected.
Still thinking what to do and there are lots of variables in my case, but the 'I must have this in a Barge' approach is less do-able when it's multiples of our measly little budget we're playing with. First world problems I guess!
On a related note, Tobinen asks the right questions.
I am afraid that my S/C Range Rover went to its new owner on Sunday. Didn’t get what I wanted but didn’t take a huge bath considering the short ownership period and it went to an enthusiast who owns 4 P38 examples! Always nice to sell to a decent person in this day and age.
I miss having it already, but with everything else I have to spend on my other cars it didn’t make sense to keep it as a 4th car...
I will keep on the thread though, as I enjoy the bearding and I can always be swayed into some sort of large engined barge on the cheap.
I miss having it already, but with everything else I have to spend on my other cars it didn’t make sense to keep it as a 4th car...
I will keep on the thread though, as I enjoy the bearding and I can always be swayed into some sort of large engined barge on the cheap.
stickleback123 said:
It's also why that 800 looks so gawky from the side - it has a long bonnet to give it that long thrusting bonnet look an 80s junior sales executive needed but then the wheel right back towards the door because it's wrong wheel drive, giving it a long front overhang and knock-kneed look with a short wheelbase relative to it's length.
Why can't the axle be far away from the dash on a FWD?
bolidemichael said:
stickleback123 said:
It's also why that 800 looks so gawky from the side - it has a long bonnet to give it that long thrusting bonnet look an 80s junior sales executive needed but then the wheel right back towards the door because it's wrong wheel drive, giving it a long front overhang and knock-kneed look with a short wheelbase relative to it's length.
Why can't the axle be far away from the dash on a FWD?But then the gearbox needs to be in front of the engine rather than in line with it (to line up the drive shafts with the wheels)
CharlesdeGaulle said:
I need to be able to collect a couple of people with luggage from the airport, so am after something reasonably practical
Or you a taxi driver CdG? Sorry, I mean are you a chauffeur?Also, oh god no. f
king hell no. That new Merc steering wheel is hurting my brain, I mean BOOM, just stop. Ouch. Double fking spoke ouch. st sandwich.
If you consider the advances that must have been made in materials, and ease of design, it is bewildering to see how conformist certain aspects of interiors have become. Always that hateful shiny chrome effect, everywhere.
I quite like the curvature of the facia. Just left wanting for something more original and less garish.
I quite like the curvature of the facia. Just left wanting for something more original and less garish.
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Macron said:
I have absolutely no idea but I wish my tax was less. £50/month for my LS460. Cars and light goods vehicles that do not fall within the Graduated Vehicle Excise Duty schemes are licensed in the Private or Light Goods (PLG) tax class. The term PLG describes the general use of cars and light vans and is not intended to place restrictions on their use or separate them into 2 categories. The term is used to identify a tax class based on date of registration and engine size, instead of fuel type and CO2 emissions (Graduated VED). There is nothing further that we can add.
Imported cars are registered under DVLA form V55/5 as I understand it, this should be taxed at £270 per year under tax class 11: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...
tobinen said:
CharlesdeGaulle said:
First world problems I guess!
I have probably missed the reason pages ago chap, but why are you looking at new cars?You like the LS so why not keep it? It's a good car and does everything you want/need.
I recommend you save a heap on a new car and buy a W124 E500E which won't lose a centime and is LHD. And cool.
I have been looking at the German sites, but Germany is so big that finding cars locally under the present circumstances is a challenge.
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Does it need to be a brand new car? Can it not be 2nd hand-but-not-that-old? If you want 6 cylinders or more than you are, naturally, limited to more premium brands and models, which of course means more cost. Finally....what's the budget?
Ordinarily it would not have to be new, and I am allergic to depreciation so it would not be my preferred option. However, I can only reclaim VAT under certain circumstances, and that invariably means a new buy. The skewed economics means that it's invariably cheaper to buy new than nearly new/second-hand. Emeye said:
Or you a taxi driver CdG? Sorry, I mean are you a chauffeur?
Busted. I'm Frank7's alter-ego! (It's only for family and friends collection from the airport really).
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