Still a £$&£$ on the log book
Discussion
KM666 said:
Dave_ said:
Tin hat on but is it really crime of the century?
As long as they have some form of insurance it makes no difference to anybody else and if i could get away with paying less road tax i would, its a rip off.
Exactly, I dont understand either. As long as they have some form of insurance it makes no difference to anybody else and if i could get away with paying less road tax i would, its a rip off.
Of all the things going on in this country to get your knickers in a twist over undeclared engine swaps seems a tad pathetic.
I hope you all drive according to the letter of the law and dont watch music videos on YouTube via any other medium besides VEVO, that would be copyright infringement you know.
Like my "Ringing Kits on eBay" thread this is supposed to be helpful. Unless you like the Renault Clio with the mystery engine, pay £1,800 for it, register the engine with the DVLA when you send the log book off and lose everything because the engine turns out to be from a stolen car. Oh and there's a 50/50 you could end up with a criminal record for receiving stolen goods as we all know "Ignorance is no defense".
Never buy a car that's had an engine swap without documentary proof that then engine is legitimate, either a receipt for the donor engine or vehicle and never buy a vehicle if the numbers and capacities don't match on the log book. At least that way your bases are covered.
As for buying parts. I always either take the part from the car myself at my local scrap yard or use well established breakers if I have to order via the internet. Unless it's a very rare car I never have used part imported. During this economic depression people can't afford to buy new parts so the market is becoming hectic with second hand values going up all the time, especially with classic cars and parts due to new ones being unavailable. This is golden opportunity for thieves as due to budget cuts there are hardly any Police to deal with them and not everyone is as careful buying parts as most.
As for buying parts. I always either take the part from the car myself at my local scrap yard or use well established breakers if I have to order via the internet. Unless it's a very rare car I never have used part imported. During this economic depression people can't afford to buy new parts so the market is becoming hectic with second hand values going up all the time, especially with classic cars and parts due to new ones being unavailable. This is golden opportunity for thieves as due to budget cuts there are hardly any Police to deal with them and not everyone is as careful buying parts as most.
skene said:
Am I the only one who thinks that the OP comes across really badly in this thread?
Nope. 
I don't take any offense by it. Different people having different opinions is what an open forum is about. If one person see this thread and walks away from buying a car because the engine swap isn't recorded properly then it's a job well done.
The chap I mentioned earlier lost £5,000 and his car because he didn't.
Metro VVC...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MINI-METRO-1800-MGF-VVC-...
...nice conversion and looks like it's been well done but...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MINI-METRO-1800-MGF-VVC-...
...nice conversion and looks like it's been well done but...
eBay advert said:
still reg as a 1.1 so cheap tax and insurance
bimsb6 said:
http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/gile...
Obviously to be expected on scumtree but does this idiot really believe that a 180 is sixteener legal as it's registered as a ped ?
That's a good one. Obviously to be expected on scumtree but does this idiot really believe that a 180 is sixteener legal as it's registered as a ped ?
scumtree said:
The Bike very very fast can do 90+ easily
Aren't 50cc bikes supposed to be limited to 30mph these days? I got stopped on my RD50 for doing 40 in a 40 zone and was the first kid in my school to get points on his licence. Having known someone who was a victim of this my stance may well be a little too personal. I'm not dizzy from the moral high ground as I have done engine swaps and conversions myself as well. When I built my S13 200SX powered MGB GT, my Delta Hf powered Uno Turbo and Beta 2.0 twink powered X-1/9 for example I did everything by the book as it was written at the time and made damn sure everything was declared before accepting an insurance policy on any of my project cars over the years.
A friend of mine bought a Fiesta that had an engine fitted from a stolen car (XR2i in an XR2). He basically lost the lot and was arrested but thankfully not charged for receiving stolen goods.
It would egregious of me to suggest every engine swap on eBay is a dodgy one but if an advert says "Still a £$&£$ on the log book" I wouldn't consider bidding on it and whole heartedly recommend fellow Pistonheads do the same.
Sorry if I come across as pedantic or a bit personal but even discussing that has elevated awareness of the thread and the issues that motivate it.
A friend of mine bought a Fiesta that had an engine fitted from a stolen car (XR2i in an XR2). He basically lost the lot and was arrested but thankfully not charged for receiving stolen goods.
It would egregious of me to suggest every engine swap on eBay is a dodgy one but if an advert says "Still a £$&£$ on the log book" I wouldn't consider bidding on it and whole heartedly recommend fellow Pistonheads do the same.
Sorry if I come across as pedantic or a bit personal but even discussing that has elevated awareness of the thread and the issues that motivate it.
To each their own and that is your prerogative but you inherit the leg work, expense and general faffing about of declaring the swaps to the DVLA. As several have pointed out engineers reports and various other pains in the wallet and neck or risk driving the car as illegitimately as the person who sold it to you and you get caught fined and spanked every time you try to insure anything in the future.
I'd consider buying an undeclared modified car if I was only going to use it on a track. The Vectra MSD 2.5 V6 powered Tigra from a while ago would be brilliant fun. Especially with the 1.4 badges so nobody would know you had 200+bhp on tap.
As always the "still a 1.4 on the log book so cheap insurance and tax" meant it would just be an expensive pain in the cheeks to get it on the road.
I'd consider buying an undeclared modified car if I was only going to use it on a track. The Vectra MSD 2.5 V6 powered Tigra from a while ago would be brilliant fun. Especially with the 1.4 badges so nobody would know you had 200+bhp on tap.
As always the "still a 1.4 on the log book so cheap insurance and tax" meant it would just be an expensive pain in the cheeks to get it on the road.
skene said:
OP, your engine swap projects sound amazing! Are there any threads on them?
Pre-dates my forum activity I'm afraid. I did have a stack of photo's but they were all lost in a house move. The MGB was sold to a mad Belgian who rally'd it into a tree.
The Uno was sold and last seen in Essex.
The X-1/9 was killed to death my me at Donington Park. Getting a bit red misty with my brother's Cosworth.
Red top Corsa for £900
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vauxhall-Corsa-Redtop-2-...
Would be a bargain if it wasn't a potential nightmare.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vauxhall-Corsa-Redtop-2-...
Would be a bargain if it wasn't a potential nightmare.
AlexRS2782 said:
Liquid Knight said:
That does a lot for Pumaspeeds reputation doesn't it?
TBH i think PumaSpeed's rep is generally a bit poor on a fair number of Ford forums anyway so i doubt the car as it stands makes much difference 
The problem with that ad is it makes it sound as though PS built the car in it's current guise, when in fact all they did was fit the JWRC kit & a few other bits. The aftermarket ecu, engine conversion, etc, followed with the owner that bought the car off them.
Another major problem with that car though is how PS dealt with widening the rear track. Rather than doing it properly with a decent uprated beam, suspension, correct offset wider wheels, etc, all they did was weld a massive slab of thick metal onto the rear beam / hubs to widen the track. Somebody tried using the car on track & said the handling was fairly attrocious
I report items to eBay and so forum members report them to AVCS or it has been known for people to pass the details of the vehicleon to a friendly local Police officer to deal with if the listing is in their county.
My principal motivation is to raise awareness and highlight these vehicles in case a Pistonhead was considering buying one of them and opening a massive can of worms with it.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2004-13-FORD-KA-BLUE-full-...
Ford KA with a 2.1 ZVH Turbo engine, up rated brakes and suspension. I have no reason to think it's been bodged but...
Ford KA with a 2.1 ZVH Turbo engine, up rated brakes and suspension. I have no reason to think it's been bodged but...
DVLA Car Checker said:
Date of Liability 01 09 2013
Date of First Registration 01 09 2004
Year of Manufacture 2004
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 1299cc
CO2 Emissions 141g/Km
Fuel Type PETROL
Export Marker N
Vehicle Status Licence Not Due
Vehicle Colour BLUE
Vehicle Type Approval M1
Date of First Registration 01 09 2004
Year of Manufacture 2004
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 1299cc
CO2 Emissions 141g/Km
Fuel Type PETROL
Export Marker N
Vehicle Status Licence Not Due
Vehicle Colour BLUE
Vehicle Type Approval M1
Mondeo pick up?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Mondeo-PICK-UP-/251...
Still a five door on the log book so you can add £400+ for the SVA/IVA to the asking price.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Mondeo-PICK-UP-/251...
Still a five door on the log book so you can add £400+ for the SVA/IVA to the asking price.
Steffan said:
Liquid Knight said:
Mondeo pick up?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Mondeo-PICK-UP-/251...
Still a five door on the log book so you can add £400+ for the SVA/IVA to the asking price.
If in fact the car can pass IVA. I think this is a very questionable sale. It seems to me with the Vosa/DVLA rule tightening on every modification made buying dodgy motors which have fundamental alterations unrecorded is no longer a sensible game. Time was the DVLA would amend log books to reflect changes. Nowadays the inherent testing costs and the very real risk of refusal seriously compromises such unauthorised and unrecorded alterations.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Mondeo-PICK-UP-/251...
Still a five door on the log book so you can add £400+ for the SVA/IVA to the asking price.
I avoid these personally. I used to buy unfinished unregistered kit cars and enjoy fettling the cars and getting them on the road. Nowadays I will ONLY buy kit cars which have all the donor details, a full history of the build and detailed and traceable receipts for the components. The process is no longer a simple one and I think these essentially black market cars will be outlawed within two years. Probably no bad thing!
Slow said:
Just a thought but cant you leave it as say a 1/1 on logbook but just declare a 2l turbo to the insurers themselves?
This isn't about being honest with insurance although that is the primary motive. Will the same honest person declare it a 2.0 Turbo when they pay their road fund licence? The main issue for me is buying a car with an undeclared engine replacement or other radical alteration without the seller making sure the engine is from a stolen vehicle or it's been tested and proven to be safe. Potentially buying a death trap or a criminal record for receiving stolen goods.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FIAT-BRAVO-20-V-TURBO-NO...
Still a 1.4 but Coupe 20V Turbo powered. Great car, serious potential, pain in the cheeks to sort the paperwork out though.
Still a 1.4 but Coupe 20V Turbo powered. Great car, serious potential, pain in the cheeks to sort the paperwork out though.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/vauxhall-corsa-v6-c25xe-...
DVLA said:
The vehicle details for P883 CRX are:
Date of Liability 23 04 2012
Date of First Registration 31 10 1996
Year of Manufacture 1996
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 1196cc
CO2 Emissions Not Available
Fuel Type PETROL
Export Marker N
Vehicle Status Unlicensed
Vehicle Colour WHITE
Vehicle Type Approval Not Available
Date of Liability 23 04 2012
Date of First Registration 31 10 1996
Year of Manufacture 1996
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 1196cc
CO2 Emissions Not Available
Fuel Type PETROL
Export Marker N
Vehicle Status Unlicensed
Vehicle Colour WHITE
Vehicle Type Approval Not Available
AlexRS2782 said:
Relisted and reposted. £900 is more than most would pay for a ruined Saxo VTR/VTS let alone an insurance fraud jobbie.
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