RE: BMW Mulls Over Turbocharged V6

[alexpa]

Purists? BMW have made all sorts, remember the Isetta?

[Itsallicanafford]

....budget wouldn't stretch to a couple of plane tickets to frankfurt?...please find a more interesting motor related story than this...

[Johnboy Mac]

FesterNath said:

Johnboy Mac said:

No surprise that BMW are mulling over a V6, makes a lot sense.

Does it? Why?

Well, a V engine is more compact, that in itself has several advantages.

[MrQuick]

I'm assuming that it's just going to be the Turbo V8 from the M5 with 2 cylinders lopped off the end off it, exactly like what they did with the current V8 by lopping off 2 cylinders off the V10 from the E60.

[jamesson]

BMW toyed with a front wheel drive V6 when the E36 was being developed (according to Car magazine at the time) so this is nothing new in that respect.

[kambites]

Johnboy Mac said:

Well, a V engine is more compact, that in itself has several advantages.

Specifically shorter, allowing a longitudinal front engined car to have the major mass of the engine mounted further behind the front axle line, or the car to have a shorter wheelbase, whichever you prefer. Of course the CoG of a V6 engine is presumably lower than that of an I6 too.

It will also fit transverse, as and when BMW decided to go FWD.

[Johnboy Mac]

kambites said:

Johnboy Mac said:

Well, a V engine is more compact, that in itself has several advantages.

Specifically shorter, allowing a longitudinal front engined car to have the major mass of the engine mounted further behind the front axle line, or the car to have a shorter wheelbase, whichever you prefer. Of course the CoG of a V6 engine is presumably lower than that of an I6 too.

It will also fit transverse, as and when BMW decided to go FWD.

Yes, several advantages.

[kambites]

Given how good NVH isolation is on modern cars, I'm quite surprised BMW have persisted with inline sixes for as long as they have.

[kambites]

I was thinking more for when the 3-series and 5-series go FWD.

[Johnboy Mac]

doogz said:

I don't think they'll bother with a 6 in the new 1-series (or is it the 2? Whichever one is FWD anyway)

I don't see them bothering with anything bigger than a 2.0T 4 pot.

I'd reckon you right there.

[kambites]

doogz said:

kambites said:

I was thinking more for when the 3-series and 5-series go FWD.

You think that'll happen?

Suppose it might.

I don't know. I certainly hope not but I couldn't really blame them if they did.

[Johnboy Mac]

kambites said:

Given how good NVH isolation is on modern cars, I'm quite surprised BMW have persisted with inline sixes for as long as they have.

I'm surprised too. Especially since Merc after decades dropped the straight six for the 'V'.

Edit: And it was nothing to do with FWD.

Edited by Johnboy Mac on Monday 12th September 13:14

[Johnboy Mac]

kambites said:

I don't know. I certainly hope not but I couldn't really blame them if they did.

Most 3&5 Series owners wouldn't even notice.

[gcpeters]

aren't the 2014 F1 engines going to be V6's

maybe this is related?

[Nors]

Turbo V6...Hmmmm....They could borrow a motor from VAG group for guidance, they've been doing those for years!!

[PaulMoor]

gcpeters said:

aren't the 2014 F1 engines going to be V6's

maybe this is related?

Putting F1 tech forward for public viewing. Unlikely. F1 teams are far to paranoid for that.

[Simbu]

gcpeters said:

aren't the 2014 F1 engines going to be V6's

maybe this is related?

This was my first thought!

[thinfourth2]

Intresting

2 exhaust turbines on the right hand bank turbo on the V6.


[pistonheadmode]OH god the horror of a V6 next they will make an inline 4 in the M3[/pistonheadmode]

[kambites]

doogz said:

Paranoid about what? If they get a patent for it, no-one's copying it, so who cares if they know?

Are teams allowed to withhold access to technology via patents in F1? I can't think of any examples of it happening with major new ideas in the past? Surely things like exhaust blown diffusers would have been patented and blocked if it was possible?

[Otispunkmeyer]

roberthiggs said:

I've never seen a diagram make so little sense to me before :S

It's a patent, thats deliberate. Have to be as vague as possible while still including enough detail to patent an idea or technology. If some one then wants to
Try copy or produce something similar and get it out to Market first they have to decipher the patent first.