Fabia vRS vs. mk3 MX5 2,0 Sport
Discussion
My remapped VRS would smoke a poxy 2.0 Mazda....
Even V6 powered cars have a hard time shaking it off.
I do run a helix clutch and PD160 Turbo though....So nothing crazy modification-wise...
OP you need better tyres.
Manufacturers stats are a load of twoddle...
Even V6 powered cars have a hard time shaking it off.
I do run a helix clutch and PD160 Turbo though....So nothing crazy modification-wise...
OP you need better tyres.
rfn said:
Intruiging why you think this?
Manufacturers stats show that the Fabia is approx 1.5 seconds to 60 slower than the MX-5?
Drive a remapped VRS and then come back...Manufacturers stats show that the Fabia is approx 1.5 seconds to 60 slower than the MX-5?
Manufacturers stats are a load of twoddle...
Edited by Tyson1980 on Wednesday 28th September 13:15
Tyson1980 said:
Drive a remapped VRS and then come back...
Manufacturers stats are a load of twoddle...
So every single online review is lying is it? Is the standard vRS in the 7s to 60 and in fact 2 full seconds quicker to 60 than all the online reviews? If not it is slower than the 5. Manufacturers stats are a load of twoddle...
Oh, and we are now comparing modified cars with standard now are we? You have a bigger turbo on yours do you, nice one. I'm sure it pulls well. Can we compare yours with a supercharged 5 with 200bhp+ then?
Have a little read
Drive around in the vRS' 1k rpm powerband all day and like every derv it will ride on its narrow wave of torque - until it gets to a bend in the road and then, as they say, it won't know where the 5 went.
rfn said:
Looks like a lot of rubbish being posted in this thread.
ETA: I'd also say that it isn't cramped or noisy inside - the wind noise is very refined (gotta remember it has a cloth top) and with heated leather, climate control, BOSE sound system it's damned well spec'd too. VERY comfy too!
Serious question, the wind noise from the roof on the 60 plate cloth top I test drove recently whistled at motorway speeds, did I just pick a bad example? To be honest it's one of the only things putting me off p/xing when the right one comes along.ETA: I'd also say that it isn't cramped or noisy inside - the wind noise is very refined (gotta remember it has a cloth top) and with heated leather, climate control, BOSE sound system it's damned well spec'd too. VERY comfy too!
They are both small cars with relatively modest performance.
Neither of them is going to keep up with a Griffith in a straight line.
So it really boils down to whether you prefer a front drive oil burning hatch or a convertible rear drive sportscar with a revvy petrol engine.
I would take the Mazda, and delight in the steering, that gearchange and the wind in my bald patch.
Neither of them is going to keep up with a Griffith in a straight line.
So it really boils down to whether you prefer a front drive oil burning hatch or a convertible rear drive sportscar with a revvy petrol engine.
I would take the Mazda, and delight in the steering, that gearchange and the wind in my bald patch.
hornetrider said:
So every single online review is lying is it? Is the standard vRS in the 7s to 60 and in fact 2 full seconds quicker to 60 than all the online reviews? If not it is slower than the 5.
Oh, and we are now comparing modified cars with standard now are we? You have a bigger turbo on yours do you, nice one. I'm sure it pulls well. Can we compare yours with a supercharged 5 with 200bhp+ then?
Have a little read
Drive around in the vRS' 1k rpm powerband all day and like every derv it will ride on its narrow wave of torque - until it gets to a bend in the road and then, as they say, it won't know where the 5 went.
Chill out man..Oh, and we are now comparing modified cars with standard now are we? You have a bigger turbo on yours do you, nice one. I'm sure it pulls well. Can we compare yours with a supercharged 5 with 200bhp+ then?
Have a little read
Drive around in the vRS' 1k rpm powerband all day and like every derv it will ride on its narrow wave of torque - until it gets to a bend in the road and then, as they say, it won't know where the 5 went.
Phuckin hell...Get laid much?
Its my wifes car. Not mine...reason for the modification you faceless keyboard warrior was to replace normal wear and tear items.
kthxbye
PS: I don't read EVO. Its a pile of w
k!Edited by Tyson1980 on Wednesday 28th September 13:40
Keyboard warrior 
Dude, merely bringing some, you know, pesky facts to the table rather than someone claiming a vRS would 'smoke' an MX5. The only time it'll do that is if it's parked in front in Tescos car park when you bring your trolley back and fire the old girl up to take the shopping home.
Dude, merely bringing some, you know, pesky facts to the table rather than someone claiming a vRS would 'smoke' an MX5. The only time it'll do that is if it's parked in front in Tescos car park when you bring your trolley back and fire the old girl up to take the shopping home.
TC has already said he's not really concerned with straightline speed, so why are people bothering about that?
As you said, you don't like how the fabia is nose heavy, the MX-5 for the money is one of the most balanced cars out there.
the hardtop adds 37kg to the weight to the car, marginally higher centre of mass. Most reviews say just go with the soft top as its simpler. (lazy american reviews always say go for the hardtop).
You sound pretty bored of your fabia and want something new. Go take it for a test drive. What's the worst that could happen? If you like it, and you aren't going to miss your fabia, then go for it.
And don't forget to post pics in the readers rides section.
I've had the mk3 MX5 in my head the past 2weeks. I'd love one in red too, the other colours just seem boring.
As you said, you don't like how the fabia is nose heavy, the MX-5 for the money is one of the most balanced cars out there.
the hardtop adds 37kg to the weight to the car, marginally higher centre of mass. Most reviews say just go with the soft top as its simpler. (lazy american reviews always say go for the hardtop).
You sound pretty bored of your fabia and want something new. Go take it for a test drive. What's the worst that could happen? If you like it, and you aren't going to miss your fabia, then go for it.
And don't forget to post pics in the readers rides section.
I've had the mk3 MX5 in my head the past 2weeks. I'd love one in red too, the other colours just seem boring.
Edited by ambuletz on Wednesday 28th September 14:14
My 10p worth. I have a mk3 MR2 which has the same 0-60 as the mk3 MX5 and similar handling. I used to run a 260bhp focus ST which like the Fab VRS is FWD, front heavy, torque monster in comparison. I prefer the MR2, at least until it snows!
Very different cars. Turbo hot hatches feel faster than they really are, 5's 2's are faster than they feel ;-)
Very different cars. Turbo hot hatches feel faster than they really are, 5's 2's are faster than they feel ;-)
Accelebrate said:
rfn said:
Looks like a lot of rubbish being posted in this thread.
ETA: I'd also say that it isn't cramped or noisy inside - the wind noise is very refined (gotta remember it has a cloth top) and with heated leather, climate control, BOSE sound system it's damned well spec'd too. VERY comfy too!
Serious question, the wind noise from the roof on the 60 plate cloth top I test drove recently whistled at motorway speeds, did I just pick a bad example? To be honest it's one of the only things putting me off p/xing when the right one comes along.ETA: I'd also say that it isn't cramped or noisy inside - the wind noise is very refined (gotta remember it has a cloth top) and with heated leather, climate control, BOSE sound system it's damned well spec'd too. VERY comfy too!
I'd get a Mk2 though, the Mk3 feels like a much bigger car and no better than the old ones imo.
Or get a used Elise.
ambuletz said:
TC has already said he's not really concerned with straightline speed, so why are people bothering about that?
As you said, you don't like how the fabia is nose heavy, the MX-5 for the money is one of the most balanced cars out there.
the hardtop adds 37kg to the weight to the car, marginally higher centre of mass. Most reviews say just go with the soft top as its simpler. (lazy american reviews always say go for the hardtop).
You sound pretty bored of your fabia and want something new. Go take it for a test drive. What's the worst that could happen? If you like it, and you aren't going to miss your fabia, then go for it.
And don't forget to post pics in the readers rides section.
I've had the mk3 MX5 in my head the past 2weeks. I'd love one in red too, the other colours just seem boring.
As you said, you don't like how the fabia is nose heavy, the MX-5 for the money is one of the most balanced cars out there.
the hardtop adds 37kg to the weight to the car, marginally higher centre of mass. Most reviews say just go with the soft top as its simpler. (lazy american reviews always say go for the hardtop).
You sound pretty bored of your fabia and want something new. Go take it for a test drive. What's the worst that could happen? If you like it, and you aren't going to miss your fabia, then go for it.
And don't forget to post pics in the readers rides section.
I've had the mk3 MX5 in my head the past 2weeks. I'd love one in red too, the other colours just seem boring.
Edited by ambuletz on Wednesday 28th September 14:14
Thanks for the down to earth advice and interesting to read some of the other comments too. Tyson1980 said:
OP you need better tyres.
I've often thought this. I've got Kumho Ecsta Sports all round and, say if it's wet and I give it a bootfull in second it just spins up, sometimes in the dry too if it catches an uneven surface.It was a laugh at first but now it's just getting irritating!
Are Continentals the way forward?
rfn said:
nottyash said:
An MX5 is nowhere near as good a performance as a Fabia VRS. A £300 remap will mean the MX5 feels like its going backwards, and as for wheelspinning, you need to learn to drive and make sure you stick to decent tyres. I agree if its wet and remapped its a little difficult to set off.
Handling wise, and car feel the Mazda is way better.
Intruiging why you think this?Handling wise, and car feel the Mazda is way better.
Manufacturers stats show that the Fabia is approx 1.5 seconds to 60 slower than the MX-5?
nottyash said:
0-60 is not a real world speed. you just dont do it. 40-80 the Skoda would leave the Mazda, and yes even standard.
I know it's tiresome bringing actual facts to a thread, so please forgive me. 40-80 is of course never measured in road tests, however have some 30-70 times on me.
MX5 7.2s
Fabia 7.7s
hornetrider said:
Have a little read
Pretty sure EVO revised that to four stars. I could go and check my back issues, but it is not massively relevant and I can't be bothered.nottyash said:
rfn said:
nottyash said:
An MX5 is nowhere near as good a performance as a Fabia VRS. A £300 remap will mean the MX5 feels like its going backwards, and as for wheelspinning, you need to learn to drive and make sure you stick to decent tyres. I agree if its wet and remapped its a little difficult to set off.
Handling wise, and car feel the Mazda is way better.
Intruiging why you think this?Handling wise, and car feel the Mazda is way better.
Manufacturers stats show that the Fabia is approx 1.5 seconds to 60 slower than the MX-5?
Regardless, I brought a MK1 MX5 to run along the vRS because I found it soulless and boring. If I was in the OP's position, I would take the '5, no question.
hornetrider said:
nottyash said:
0-60 is not a real world speed. you just dont do it. 40-80 the Skoda would leave the Mazda, and yes even standard.
I know it's tiresome bringing actual facts to a thread, so please forgive me. 40-80 is of course never measured in road tests, however have some 30-70 times on me.
MX5 7.2s
Fabia 7.7s
I'm not sure why this thread has 'deteriorated' into a power/speed pissing match? The MX5 (my wife has a Mk3 Roadster Coupé, albeit a 1.8) is about the whole driving experience. It's about the 50/50 weight distribution, due to the set back engine position (it's really a mid engined car just with the engine in front of the driver), delivering agile performance, sharp turn in and balanced cornering; it's about the 'wind in the hair' motoring experience; it's about the rifle bolt short throw gear change and delightful gearbox; it's about the nicely weighted and judged steering; it's about the really good driving position; it's about the incredibly good and stable braking; it's about the grip and 'excitement' of rear wheel drive; it's about the engine's 'revability'. This all adds up to a 'B' road rocket that can match all but the most exotic and expensive machinery on the twisties - it gives away about 220bhp to my regular chariot but is still an extremely enjoyable drive which always puts a smile on my face. It's no good on 'A' roads and motorways as, quite frankly, it's far too noisy and not quick enough. It's definitely no good for me over long distances as I'm just far too lardy to fit in it properly!
Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff