Porsche Cayenne or Full Fat Rangey?
Discussion
JCB123 said:
Which one? And why?
Looking at 4.4RR and 4.5 Porka, pref with LPG, but either way, circa 55 plates.....
I used to think the Porsche was ugly as sin, but there are now too many RR's locally, and I want something a little different....
Anyone owned either or both who can comment?
Cheers - Big Ears!
I'm a Landy man at heart, simply love them and have been around them all my life. That said, I don't like the look of the current Range Rover, it looks middle aged, fat and over weight.Looking at 4.4RR and 4.5 Porka, pref with LPG, but either way, circa 55 plates.....
I used to think the Porsche was ugly as sin, but there are now too many RR's locally, and I want something a little different....
Anyone owned either or both who can comment?
Cheers - Big Ears!
I think the Porsche would be my pick, although I'd probably want to look for a turbo.
I'd also be looking at a 5.0 V10 Tdi Touareg and a 6.1 litre SRT-8 Jeep Grand Cherokee. Especially the latter if it's something different that you want.
I very nearly bought a Cayenne S a few years ago, before choosing to go for a 4.4 V8 FFRR. We then sold this around a year ago & currently have a Touareg V6 TDI with the Altitude spec.
For absolute comfort & waftability, nothing comes close to the Rangy - we drove from Hampshire to North Yorkshire in a oner many times & always stepped out the other end feeling relaxed & un-ruffled. Having said that, the Twig is lovely inside & wants for nothing - good nav system, heated front & rear seats, leather everywhere, decent stereo etc (in fact, I think the only thing the Rangy had that the Twig hasn't was the heated steering wheel), although the Twig's cabin does feel a fair bit smaller than the RR.
We have used both of them on green lanes a fair few times & both are very good indeed off road (each has got locking diffs / H&L range etc).
In my opinion, the Twig just nudges it overall because it has a slightly more car like driving experience & is considerably more composed through corners, as well as being quite a lot quicker & more economical than the RR. It also doesn't look as awkward as the Cayenne!!!! Although, the Cayenne's looks are growing on me.
The Cayenne was properly rubbish on fuel. Rangy saw an average of 23mpg, the Cayenne's computer when I test drove it was showing a long term average of 20ish. The Twig has returned us 29mpg (albeit, my wife's journey to work comprisees of sitting in traffic for 40 minutes - on a run, we see around 33mpg)
For absolute comfort & waftability, nothing comes close to the Rangy - we drove from Hampshire to North Yorkshire in a oner many times & always stepped out the other end feeling relaxed & un-ruffled. Having said that, the Twig is lovely inside & wants for nothing - good nav system, heated front & rear seats, leather everywhere, decent stereo etc (in fact, I think the only thing the Rangy had that the Twig hasn't was the heated steering wheel), although the Twig's cabin does feel a fair bit smaller than the RR.
We have used both of them on green lanes a fair few times & both are very good indeed off road (each has got locking diffs / H&L range etc).
In my opinion, the Twig just nudges it overall because it has a slightly more car like driving experience & is considerably more composed through corners, as well as being quite a lot quicker & more economical than the RR. It also doesn't look as awkward as the Cayenne!!!! Although, the Cayenne's looks are growing on me.
The Cayenne was properly rubbish on fuel. Rangy saw an average of 23mpg, the Cayenne's computer when I test drove it was showing a long term average of 20ish. The Twig has returned us 29mpg (albeit, my wife's journey to work comprisees of sitting in traffic for 40 minutes - on a run, we see around 33mpg)
Edited by schmalex on Wednesday 28th September 11:40
JCB123 said:
Family wagon, + 2 setters, + occasional shooting trip (not major off-roading) and the fact that I want a big car because I'm big enough and stupid enough to buy one....
If that's the case and as you said earlier wanting something different, have you considered something like a Quad cab pickup truck? Maybe a 5.9 Cummins powered Ram or a Ford F150?@ cdrx
To be fair, not too bad. Routine servicing has been as reasonable as you can expect. The only two big issues we've had are below (the car is a 56 plate with 50k miles)
We had an issue with the Prop Shaft centre bearing (a common issue across Cayenne's, Twig's & Q7's), which when VW looked at it, they wanted £2,000 for supply & fitment of a new prop shaft, as they claim it's a single unit. I wasn't prepared to listen to that, so spoke to the chap who looks after my Landy & he removed the propshaft, sent it away to a specialist in the Midlands to be re-furbiished with a new centre bearing & re-fitted it for an all in cost of c. £350.
We had an issue with the aircon only blowing hot air on the passenger side. We were quoted £1,400 by VW to fit a new something in the dash. Fortunately, when we bought it, I purchased a full warranty, so the warranty company picked up the tab for that one.
Aside from these, it's required nothing more than routine maintenance & still feels tight as a drum. Overall, we are very pleased with it & will most probably keep it for a fair few years (my wife fancies a 500 Abarth in February time, so we'll probably chop my Mercedes in for one, as that's getting a little long in the tooth & drinks fuel!!!)
I very rarely buy warranties for less complex cars as I generally see them as nothing more than a profit centre for the supplier, but every time I've bought a big 4 x 4, I make sure I take a warranty & I must have saved around £10k+ by doing so (the Rangy destroyed it's gear box within 2 weeks of me collecting it, resulting in a compelte new drive train being fitted!!!)
To be fair, not too bad. Routine servicing has been as reasonable as you can expect. The only two big issues we've had are below (the car is a 56 plate with 50k miles)
We had an issue with the Prop Shaft centre bearing (a common issue across Cayenne's, Twig's & Q7's), which when VW looked at it, they wanted £2,000 for supply & fitment of a new prop shaft, as they claim it's a single unit. I wasn't prepared to listen to that, so spoke to the chap who looks after my Landy & he removed the propshaft, sent it away to a specialist in the Midlands to be re-furbiished with a new centre bearing & re-fitted it for an all in cost of c. £350.
We had an issue with the aircon only blowing hot air on the passenger side. We were quoted £1,400 by VW to fit a new something in the dash. Fortunately, when we bought it, I purchased a full warranty, so the warranty company picked up the tab for that one.
Aside from these, it's required nothing more than routine maintenance & still feels tight as a drum. Overall, we are very pleased with it & will most probably keep it for a fair few years (my wife fancies a 500 Abarth in February time, so we'll probably chop my Mercedes in for one, as that's getting a little long in the tooth & drinks fuel!!!)
I very rarely buy warranties for less complex cars as I generally see them as nothing more than a profit centre for the supplier, but every time I've bought a big 4 x 4, I make sure I take a warranty & I must have saved around £10k+ by doing so (the Rangy destroyed it's gear box within 2 weeks of me collecting it, resulting in a compelte new drive train being fitted!!!)
Edited by schmalex on Wednesday 28th September 11:20
My mum had an RR Autobiography for year, the 4.4. It was brilliant, luxurious and so comfortable, in the back, in the front and to drive. Heated rear passenger seats 
My only experience of a Cayenne was in France earlier this year. It was the 4.5. I didn't drive it, but it was a very nice car. Excellent road performance blasting through French countryside. Felt a lot smaller inside than the RR and had a lot smaller boot.
If you want barge like qualities, amazing comfort 5 up and space in the boot go for the RR. If you want a tall car that is fast on the road, go for the Cayenne.
I'd have the RR.
My only experience of a Cayenne was in France earlier this year. It was the 4.5. I didn't drive it, but it was a very nice car. Excellent road performance blasting through French countryside. Felt a lot smaller inside than the RR and had a lot smaller boot.
If you want barge like qualities, amazing comfort 5 up and space in the boot go for the RR. If you want a tall car that is fast on the road, go for the Cayenne.
I'd have the RR.
LongLiveTazio said:
Merc ML's nice and discreet and very good at being a 'normal' car. Won't be as sporty as an X5 but it has benefits in other areas. 320CDI is plenty powerful. Otherwise have you ever looked at an R-Class? Odd looks but a lot of car for the money and very versatile.
I was looking at pretty much the same cars as the OP and in the end I went for an ML, albeit a 5.5V8 as opposed to a diesel.Thread about it here: http://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t...
matc said:
I was looking at pretty much the same cars as the OP and in the end I went for an ML, albeit a 5.5V8 as opposed to a diesel.
Thread about it here: http://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t...
I remember that thread. Good work, sir.Thread about it here: http://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t...
Spanna said:
My only experience of a Cayenne was in France earlier this year. It was the 4.5. I didn't drive it, but it was a very nice car. Excellent road performance blasting through French countryside. Felt a lot smaller inside than the RR and had a lot smaller boot.
I often hear that, but apparently (assuming my quick research is accurate)...Cayenne boot = 540 litres with seats up, 1770 with seats down
Range Rover boot = 535 litres with seats up, 1756 with seats down
It's probably not a deal breaker for most people though.
LongLiveTazio said:
matc said:
I was looking at pretty much the same cars as the OP and in the end I went for an ML, albeit a 5.5V8 as opposed to a diesel.
Thread about it here: http://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t...
I remember that thread. Good work, sir.Thread about it here: http://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t...
Every time I see a FFRR I want one. It's the fuel and the potential for a big bill that puts me off but they're just cool.
When I had a Boxster if I had it in for a service I'd sometimes get a Cayenne and I enjoyed it, but it never really felt like a Porsche, it always felt like a VW with a Porsche logo slapped on it. Maybe that's a little harsh but it's just how I perceived it.
When I had a Boxster if I had it in for a service I'd sometimes get a Cayenne and I enjoyed it, but it never really felt like a Porsche, it always felt like a VW with a Porsche logo slapped on it. Maybe that's a little harsh but it's just how I perceived it.
bimjim said:
I often hear that, but apparently (assuming my quick research is accurate)...
Cayenne boot = 540 litres with seats up, 1770 with seats down
Range Rover boot = 535 litres with seats up, 1756 with seats down
It's probably not a deal breaker for most people though.
That's surprised me. The Cayenne had decent room for the tools we had with us. Similar amount of tools in the RR, swallowed them up, still had room for a main and dessert. Maybe it's the width of the car that makes it look bigger, plus the fold down bit on the RR's boot, which the Cayenne doesn't have.Cayenne boot = 540 litres with seats up, 1770 with seats down
Range Rover boot = 535 litres with seats up, 1756 with seats down
It's probably not a deal breaker for most people though.
LayZ said:
These are pretty mega value, but scary running costs, plus VW dealers who will have never seen one.
You have to ask is 313hp and mega torque worth 20mpg when the V6 TDI is pretty good still and will get over 30?
I loved the thought of a 5.0 V10 TDI though, but it could throw up a monumental billYou have to ask is 313hp and mega torque worth 20mpg when the V6 TDI is pretty good still and will get over 30?
T16OLE said:
I loved the thought of a 5.0 V10 TDI though, but it could throw up a monumental bill
Remember seeing a chap in Speed/Plod folder whose V10 went bang and was left with the most horrific bill. If you're going to buy one, get a good warranty. They are/were expensive cars when new and I don't trust modern diesels enough to not have it covered by a warranty. 
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