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jet_noise said:
It is completely invisible which has its up and downsides - no interest from the Peelers but other vehicles do pull out on you,
I quite like challenging SUVs in our's - if we did crash it's little old me in a Jazz vs nasty person in huge monster truck! No idea if that would really wash though!!Dear hora,
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No, the 1.2 is higher geared = quieter.
I am guessing this is down to marketing wanting the larger engined car to be the more accelerative. It had to be lower geared to cope with the weight of the extra kit esp. A/C. It's about 500r.p.m. different at 70m.p.h. 3500 (1.4) vs 3000 (1.2) IIRC,
regards,
Jet
ETAA partner's
hora said:
I do make regular long distance journeys with a bike in the car. So I guess its 1.4 if its the quieter (reving) engine on the motorway.
I don't mind what colour it is- as long as it isn't that 'retirement pale blue'!
My partner's 1.4 is retirement pale blue metallic (but then she is retired I don't mind what colour it is- as long as it isn't that 'retirement pale blue'!
)No, the 1.2 is higher geared = quieter.
I am guessing this is down to marketing wanting the larger engined car to be the more accelerative. It had to be lower geared to cope with the weight of the extra kit esp. A/C. It's about 500r.p.m. different at 70m.p.h. 3500 (1.4) vs 3000 (1.2) IIRC,
regards,
Jet
ETAA partner's
Wouldn't surprise me at all if it isn't to get the overall consumtion figures lower over the whole range as is now required. I mean, the 1.2 has 89bhp and the 1.4 98 so the difference in the gearing seems arse about face really. According to the statistics (which mean the square root of sweet FA) the 1.4 gives 52mpg and the 1.2 61mpg, in line with the gearing. Seems stupid not to have this gearing on the bigger motor.
WokingWedger said:
I think it is only in the UK they have this reputation.
google Honda FIT or fitfreak website
Elsewhere in the world they are highly regarded by young people!
My wife has the CVT version with 7 speed flappy paddle gear change to play with.
Its fun (not very fast) but fun and is smooth, quiet, loads of room in side and reliable.
Genuine question - how do you change gear with a CVT gearbox? I thought it was infinately variable ratio?google Honda FIT or fitfreak website
Elsewhere in the world they are highly regarded by young people!
My wife has the CVT version with 7 speed flappy paddle gear change to play with.
Its fun (not very fast) but fun and is smooth, quiet, loads of room in side and reliable.
coudln't care about the image, but we borrowed our in-laws for 12 months- 48mpg on a mixed driving (and not being that easy either),
not slow(not quick), but handle wll if you can pu with the numb steering- very noisy and rumbly in the back though- certainly doesn't have a "soft" ride as you would expect for a car aimed at the older generation.
LOADS and LOADS of space, a really ridiculous amount, and quite happily accomodates me (6'2 and 23 stone and wife).
offset the fuel economy from the landcruiser.
not slow(not quick), but handle wll if you can pu with the numb steering- very noisy and rumbly in the back though- certainly doesn't have a "soft" ride as you would expect for a car aimed at the older generation.
LOADS and LOADS of space, a really ridiculous amount, and quite happily accomodates me (6'2 and 23 stone and wife).
offset the fuel economy from the landcruiser.
Dad is on his second. I did take the mick a bit but it turns out to be an extremely useful car. Economical and well screwed together. He likes it so perhaps next year he will follow my advice and make it a bit more efficient...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXepvlCweS0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXepvlCweS0
GreatGranny said:
They are reasonably priced IMO considering Honda's reputation.
The older shape Civic is another bargain for around £2.5.
Even the 160bhp Civic S is available for under £3k.
Just over £4k will get you a new shape petrol Civic. Can't complain with that.
Or a VTi Estate for under £2K?The older shape Civic is another bargain for around £2.5.
Even the 160bhp Civic S is available for under £3k.
Just over £4k will get you a new shape petrol Civic. Can't complain with that.
GreatGranny said:
Good shout. Thats the old older shape isn't it?
There's been so many versions.
I think the first generation was brought out in the laste 70's wasn't it?
Yes, around 1999 or so. I cant help but think it would make a great 'dump car' and although not being quite as economical as a Jazz it would have more space and a more amusing engine to play with. They also fairly anonymous and reasonably scarce as Aerodecks?There's been so many versions.
I think the first generation was brought out in the laste 70's wasn't it?
May not be a PH car, but I've only heard good things about them and I'd certainly consider one if looking at another 'city' / 2nd/3rd/4th etc car. Not sure what they are like on motorway/autoroute type of roads; Hondas have always struck me as being a bit low geared and having a knobbly ride (although Mk2 is supposed to be better in respect of the latter).
If my wife or daughter said they wanted one, I certainly wouldn't try and talk them out of it (unless it was in that special 'pink' colour, or the yellow one I saw the other day with the 'sports' bodykit )
If my wife or daughter said they wanted one, I certainly wouldn't try and talk them out of it (unless it was in that special 'pink' colour, or the yellow one I saw the other day with the 'sports' bodykit
)I've driven a couple as courtesy cars - both of the current-gen have been CVT boxes.
...and while I'm certain they're very reliable, they're utterly boring to drive - zero throttle-response, wooden brakes, no steering feel. Economy's not even very good at M-way cruising speeds. Visibility is good though, practicality not bad and the dashboard was OK.
Good city car for someone not fussed about what it is. But most emphatically NOT a PH type of car...
...and while I'm certain they're very reliable, they're utterly boring to drive - zero throttle-response, wooden brakes, no steering feel. Economy's not even very good at M-way cruising speeds. Visibility is good though, practicality not bad and the dashboard was OK.
Good city car for someone not fussed about what it is. But most emphatically NOT a PH type of car...
I am on my second Jazz.
I bought the first new in 2002 when they came out and did 66k miles in 2 years. Only thing that went wrong was an aircon sensor. Sold it to my sis in law and she still has it and still happy with it.
After several other cars I have gone back to a Jazz mainly because it will accommodate our elderly dog easily. We lift the rear 'magic seat' bases and she steps into the back and lies on the floor. She's happier because she is low dwn, immediately behind us and gets in/out easily.
The space in the back of the MK1 was truly amazing. There can't be many cars into which you can fit 2 full size filing cabinets. I think the shape of the interior of the newer one (2008 on a 58) would prevent getting both in but it's still an impressive amount of space if you need it.
The earlier one was good for 50mpg+ on a regular basis but more motorway whereas the newer one is averaging 47mpg on my B road 52 mile round trip daily commute.(My diesel Signum was doing 42 on average)
Mine have both been the 1.4 and they will go if you rev them and you can surprise a few other drivers out there because they handle surprisingly well and as long as you hold the gears they are surprising at what they will do.
As someone else said, they do have a different image in the UK to he rest of the world but that can work to your advantage (overtaken by a Jazz? Not likely is it?), it does diesel mpg without being a diesel and has good residuals.
It will carry 4 adults in reasonable comfort but it does need another gear on the the motorway as the fuel consumption rises noticeably above 60 mph as it exceeds 3000rpm.
I don't hate it but I wouldn't chose to take it for a drive. I have the TVR and Rover P5B for that.
It's practical, economical, reliable and comfortable and great value for money.
Basically a head purchase and not a heart purchase.
You do need to be a bit thick skinned about the old man comments though.
And one final warning. The week after I bought the latest one I found myself sitting on cruise control at 60mpg on an NSL dual carriageway (A14) doing 60 and wearing a beige jacket.
I bought the first new in 2002 when they came out and did 66k miles in 2 years. Only thing that went wrong was an aircon sensor. Sold it to my sis in law and she still has it and still happy with it.
After several other cars I have gone back to a Jazz mainly because it will accommodate our elderly dog easily. We lift the rear 'magic seat' bases and she steps into the back and lies on the floor. She's happier because she is low dwn, immediately behind us and gets in/out easily.
The space in the back of the MK1 was truly amazing. There can't be many cars into which you can fit 2 full size filing cabinets. I think the shape of the interior of the newer one (2008 on a 58) would prevent getting both in but it's still an impressive amount of space if you need it.
The earlier one was good for 50mpg+ on a regular basis but more motorway whereas the newer one is averaging 47mpg on my B road 52 mile round trip daily commute.(My diesel Signum was doing 42 on average)
Mine have both been the 1.4 and they will go if you rev them and you can surprise a few other drivers out there because they handle surprisingly well and as long as you hold the gears they are surprising at what they will do.
As someone else said, they do have a different image in the UK to he rest of the world but that can work to your advantage (overtaken by a Jazz? Not likely is it?), it does diesel mpg without being a diesel and has good residuals.
It will carry 4 adults in reasonable comfort but it does need another gear on the the motorway as the fuel consumption rises noticeably above 60 mph as it exceeds 3000rpm.
I don't hate it but I wouldn't chose to take it for a drive. I have the TVR and Rover P5B for that.
It's practical, economical, reliable and comfortable and great value for money.
Basically a head purchase and not a heart purchase.
You do need to be a bit thick skinned about the old man comments though.
And one final warning. The week after I bought the latest one I found myself sitting on cruise control at 60mpg on an NSL dual carriageway (A14) doing 60 and wearing a beige jacket.
Edited by Tyre Tread on Monday 21st November 20:02
My mum's got an 09 Jazz EX which she bought at my suggestion, because it does exactly all the things she wants a car to do, ie. be small yet roomy at the same time, be reliable and economical.
She loves the slightly high driving position and the clever folding seat squabs which allow her to put plants etc from the garden centre on the floor in the back without breaking them or spilling compost all over the seats. As the car is quite small she's actually quite confident driving it and certainly overtakes/drives generally faster than she did in her previous Passat TDI.
I quite like driving it around town but the overall appeal of the car is spoilt by the ride (I think the ride is firm even compared to my car) and the gutless engine, which has no torque whatsoever and has gearing which is far too short for motorway work. For me, if they did a 1.6TDI version and put in a bit of work making the ride a bit more comfortable it would actually be quite appealing as a daily commute car.
She loves the slightly high driving position and the clever folding seat squabs which allow her to put plants etc from the garden centre on the floor in the back without breaking them or spilling compost all over the seats. As the car is quite small she's actually quite confident driving it and certainly overtakes/drives generally faster than she did in her previous Passat TDI.
I quite like driving it around town but the overall appeal of the car is spoilt by the ride (I think the ride is firm even compared to my car) and the gutless engine, which has no torque whatsoever and has gearing which is far too short for motorway work. For me, if they did a 1.6TDI version and put in a bit of work making the ride a bit more comfortable it would actually be quite appealing as a daily commute car.
amoeba said:
I have to concur with the above poster who mentioned its Tardis qualities. Had a trip in an elderly acquantances Jazz and coulnt believe the room inside. It all felt extremely solid too, if they did a diesel version I would be tempted to get one as a commuter.
My father in law loves his for this reason. Fits his bikes in nicely and has been reliable. No other virtues do far as I can tell though.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff