RE: New tri-turbo BMW 550d to get 381hp, 516lb ft

[PascalBuyens]

oola said:

I don't see what the issue is here as BMW have previously used model's which don't exactly denote the engine size ... 335i/d 535i/d were never 3.5 litre but merely 3 litre twin turbo. What about the 123d ... no its not a 2.3 l engine but a 2 l twin turbo.

Its not rocket science and this is 2011, not 1995.

A 5 litre non-turbo diesel ... dear god, I think that about sums your post up ...

What's even more puzzling is that the 318d is in fact a 2 liter too... :-)

[Output Flange]

I really hope they do decide to badge it as a M550dX.

I've noticed that the M brand has been churning out far too many performance cars recently, and far too few standard looking models with plenty of chrome on them.

If anything, this constant refusal by M to stray from its competition roots is devaluing the brand.

Topaz blue with beige leather, and a towbar please.

[5lab]

thinfourth2 said:

Dear Mr BMW

I have always liked your cars and i have owned a E36 318i and a E36 325tds.

It will be obvious to anyone reading that they were both a 3 series as designated by the 3

Also obvious that the first one had a 1.8l petrol engine as designated by the 18i and the second was a 2.5l turbo diesel engine as designated by the 25tds with the s designating it as the higher powered version of this engine

I notice that your latest car is called a 550d

So logically it must be a 5 series which it is. However following your naming tradition i would expect to find under the bonnet a 5 litre non turbo charged diesel. However it isn't you have in fact got under the bonnet a 3l diesel with more turbos strapped to it then a copy of max power.

This is a silly situation so could you please stop it

Might i suggest you call it a 538td with the 38 indicating 380bhp and the td indicating terminal death turbo diesel is under the bonnet.

It is sensible and logical and very german


Many thanks


Thinfourth


p.s. Congratulations on dropping the "ultimate driving machine" tagline as it is now blatantly bks

even e36s had some of this though, the 323 of that era was a 2.5l engine, and the previous gen 316 was a 1.8. its nothing new

[McSam]

Rsohyes said:

georgejoshington said:

0a said:

What about when it's remapped?

lol this made me choke on my biscuit

+1, but on my Shreddies good work!

[Nors]

I think you'd need that with 4WD to get meaningful use out of all that torque, especially when it's wet here a large percentage of the time also.

Impressive output for a diesel of 3L!

[80quattro]

5lab said:

even e36s had some of this though, the 323 of that era was a 2.5l engine, and the previous gen 316 was a 1.8. its nothing new

'tis true. Even a 1982 E21 316 is 1800cc.

[Robmarriott]

Jesus Christ people need to get over this naming thing.

Are you the same people who said "that's not a proper RS, it's front wheel drive" about the new Focus RS? or do you moan about Mercedes' 6.2 litre 6.3 litre naming issue?

Here's some kleenex to wipe your tears away... http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id...

Anyway, back to the car, can't people just accept that it's going to be awesome?

I genuinely can't think of a better car, the touring will be fantastic, it looks great, it will go like stink, it'll have a great spec, loads of grip as it's 4 wheel drive and do decent MPG for a 380bhp car, it'll also sound great like BMW 6 cylinder diesels do.

With regards to the (slightly sarcastic) remap question, it stands to reason that it'll gain about 20% like most other diesel remaps (335d, 320d for example) so that'll make nigh on 460bhp and about 600lb/ft if not a little more.

Imagine it with a bigger intercooler and a better exhaust, you're looking at a 500bhp car which does 30mpg and can pull trees out of the ground while carrying 3 labradors and 4 passengers!

"Want" doesn't even come close!

[Nors]

Robmarriott said:

Jesus Christ people need to get over this naming thing.

Are you the same people who said "that's not a proper RS, it's front wheel drive" about the new Focus RS? or do you moan about Mercedes' 6.2 litre 6.3 litre naming issue?

Here's some kleenex to wipe your tears away... http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id...

Anyway, back to the car, can't people just accept that it's going to be awesome?

I genuinely can't think of a better car, the touring will be fantastic, it looks great, it will go like stink, it'll have a great spec, loads of grip as it's 4 wheel drive and do decent MPG for a 380bhp car, it'll also sound great like BMW 6 cylinder diesels do.

With regards to the (slightly sarcastic) remap question, it stands to reason that it'll gain about 20% like most other diesel remaps (335d, 320d for example) so that'll make nigh on 460bhp and about 600lb/ft if not a little more.

Imagine it with a bigger intercooler and a better exhaust, you're looking at a 500bhp car which does 30mpg and can pull trees out of the ground while carrying 3 labradors and 4 passengers!

"Want" doesn't even come close!

I can see your getting a "little" bit excited there!

[clonmult]

thinfourth2 said:

Dear Mr BMW

I have always liked your cars and i have owned a E36 318i and a E36 325tds.

It will be obvious to anyone reading that they were both a 3 series as designated by the 3

Also obvious that the first one had a 1.8l petrol engine as designated by the 18i and the second was a 2.5l turbo diesel engine as designated by the 25tds with the s designating it as the higher powered version of this engine

I notice that your latest car is called a 550d

So logically it must be a 5 series which it is. However following your naming tradition i would expect to find under the bonnet a 5 litre non turbo charged diesel. However it isn't you have in fact got under the bonnet a 3l diesel with more turbos strapped to it then a copy of max power.

This is a silly situation so could you please stop it

Might i suggest you call it a 538td with the 38 indicating 380bhp and the td indicating terminal death turbo diesel is under the bonnet.

It is sensible and logical and very german


Many thanks


Thinfourth


p.s. Congratulations on dropping the "ultimate driving machine" tagline as it is now blatantly bks

Check out the BMW model/naming history, the last two digits were more of an indicator to engine size/performance than a hard and fast capacity designator.

325e/525e - 2.7
E36 318iS - 1.9 (later models, earlier were a 1.8)
E30 316 - 1.8
E36 323 - 2.5 (detuned)
E36 318tds - 1.7

Apparently on the E21 there was a 315, but with a 1.6.

[Output Flange]

Robmarriott said:

A whole load of sensible stuff until...


it'll also sound great like BMW 6 cylinder diesels do.

As diesels go, it sounds ok. Compared to a BMW straight six, it sounds rubbish.

I'll agree with your other points though.

[jellison]

don't you love modern cars - ever more moving parts to go wrong.

[Cheib]

Nors said:

I think you'd need that with 4WD to get meaningful use out of all that torque, especially when it's wet here a large percentage of the time also.

Impressive output for a diesel of 3L!

Definitely. My old 535d sometimes struggled for traction.

[Robmarriott]

Output Flange said:

Robmarriott said:

A whole load of sensible stuff until...


it'll also sound great like BMW 6 cylinder diesels do.

As diesels go, it sounds ok. Compared to a BMW straight six, it sounds rubbish.

I'll agree with your other points though.

Ok fair point

[Bladedancer]

Owners gonna love the bills when this mighty complicated thing goes wrong.

[Dagnut]

Robmarriott said:

Jesus Christ people need to get over this naming thing.

Are you the same people who said "that's not a proper RS, it's front wheel drive" about the new Focus RS? or do you moan about Mercedes' 6.2 litre 6.3 litre naming issue?

Here's some kleenex to wipe your tears away... http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id...

Anyway, back to the car, can't people just accept that it's going to be awesome?

I genuinely can't think of a better car, the touring will be fantastic, it looks great, it will go like stink, it'll have a great spec, loads of grip as it's 4 wheel drive and do decent MPG for a 380bhp car, it'll also sound great like BMW 6 cylinder diesels do.

With regards to the (slightly sarcastic) remap question, it stands to reason that it'll gain about 20% like most other diesel remaps (335d, 320d for example) so that'll make nigh on 460bhp and about 600lb/ft if not a little more.

Imagine it with a bigger intercooler and a better exhaust, you're looking at a 500bhp car which does 30mpg and can pull trees out of the ground while carrying 3 labradors and 4 passengers!

"Want" doesn't even come close!

Don't get carried away..you need the turbo to be able to make the 500hp...I'd imagine on a diesel 3.0 litre they would be the size of block itself..with huge lag

[Nors]

clonmult said:

Apparently on the E21 there was a 315, but with a 1.6.

Well remembered! There was indeed. I wonder if any still exist, they were quite rare even when available new.

[jatinder]

Also how will this work, will it be three sequential turbos each one bigger than the other, or three the same size working of two cylinders each.


Can't wait for all the threads about how one of these was remapped and how well it went slaying lambo’s & the inevitable thread on how much three replacement turbos will cost.

[rtz62]

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

I am a BMW fan, having owned several, in an E30 M3, and a 320d MSport Touring.

I honestly fail to see where BMW are going with this; surely in todays driving environment, they should be looking at reduced fuel consumption, and increased driving satisfaction?

Like someone else has said, god help the 2nd or 3rd owner a few years down the line when engine problems arise (and they surely will; swirl flaps, 3xturbos, etc etc) - residual value? 3 bob and a conker.

No-one will want to touch one second hand excepy for the terminally hopeful or the criminally insane. Warranties? No-one will be able to provide a cast-iron warranty for this one, surely????

Personally, I'd rather have a 535d Touring and a second hand X5.....

[jakesmith]

oola said:

I don't see what the issue is here as BMW have previously used model's which don't exactly denote the engine size ... 335i/d 535i/d were never 3.5 litre but merely 3 litre twin turbo. What about the 123d ... no its not a 2.3 l engine but a 2 l twin turbo.

Its not rocket science and this is 2011, not 1995.

A 5 litre non-turbo diesel ... dear god, I think that about sums your post up ...

+1 BMW have been doing this for ages in fact, the E46 323i was a detuned 2.5, the E46 320i was a 2.2, the 318 was a 16v 2.0 etc

[Robmarriott]

Dagnut said:

Don't get carried away..you need the turbo to be able to make the 500hp...I'd imagine on a diesel 3.0 litre they would be the size of block itself..with huge lag

I'm not getting carried away. Cars are always over-engineered, otherwise the end consumer would be hit with a massive bill after 10 miles when something goes bang.

There is absolutely no way that BMW will spec this engine with the biggest turbo (assuming it's a sequential setup) which is only just capable of giving the power which the engine is said to produce, they'd be insane to do it without a safety net.

So, as with most other turbo diesel engines, that safety net can (and will) be exploited.

500bhp is only a 31% increase in power, which is a common gain these days in turbodiesels!