Last normally aspirated diesel?

[Bill Carr]

12gauge said:

Do turbos agree with bio dieseasel and chip fat though? I was under the impression they muck up the turbos and only non-turbos like old Mercedes 300d are hardy enough to take it as fuel.

You're thinking of fuel pumps, which (simplistically) can be harmed by the use of veg oil. Some are apparently more resilient (e.g. Bosch), hence why particular cars lend themselves to running on veg oil, e.g. some old Peugeots (405).

Plenty more info on the web than I can be bothered to type right now

[Wafflesmk2]

XitUp said:

The boost pipe blew off my dad's diesel Micra when I was overtaking a van once. Does that count?

Wafflesmk2 said:

I disagree. I drive a 3.0 petrol at home, and at work a 1.6 diesel focus.

The focus is so much more fun to drive. Diesel Torque is much more fun than the petrol. I know the petrol comes into its own at 70+mph, but when do i ever need to go that fast?

I'd argue that the diesel is just as quick over short distances, and doesnt fk me over for 25mpg every day.

Its the main reason im looking for a 330d/335d at the moment

Wow, so wrong on so many levels.

veryRS said:

You do actually change gear in the petrol, right?

Tunku said:

You'd be better off on a bus...

simoid said:

Not sure if trolling...

[Mr2Mike]

Wafflesmk2 said:

Incorrect posters are incorrect. In your 1.6 Focus is faster than your 3.0L petrol car there must be a reason for it:

1) It's a vintage 3.0L petrol engine from the 1930's
2) It's only running on 3 cylinders
3) You haven't worked out how to use a gearbox properly.

I've driven a 1.6 TDCi Focus, and it was a complete slug. It did attempt to fool the average driver that it had good performance from the brief surge of torque in the lower two gears, but being well above average I wasn't fooled

[BorkFactor]

I thought the 1.6 TDCI Focus was perfectly good as an every day car - I had one as a company car a couple of years ago. Kept up with traffic fine, and overtook perfectly well too.

You really had to use the gearbox in it though to keep it in the power band, and it was certainly not going to set the world alight, but it was a perfectly good car. I never got it to go below 45 mpg too

[RichTBiscuit]

Wafflesmk2 said:

I disagree. I drive a 3.0 petrol at home, and at work a 1.6 diesel focus.

The focus is so much more fun to drive. Diesel Torque is much more fun than the petrol. I know the petrol comes into its own at 70+mph, but when do i ever need to go that fast?

I'd argue that the diesel is just as quick over short distances, and doesnt fk me over for 25mpg every day.

Its the main reason im looking for a 330d/335d at the moment

I drove a Focus 1.8 TDCI recently. After this 'experience' I came away thinking it was the worst engine ever invented. Small surge of power between 1500 and 3000 rpm, nothing any higher or lower and sounded like a knackered tractor.

I can only conclude your 3.0 petrol must be the worst 3.0 ever invented. My 3.0 Legacy has a better engine in every concievable way (apart from mpg )

Edited by RichTBiscuit on Wednesday 21st March 14:09

[Wafflesmk2]

RichTBiscuit said:

I drove a Focus 1.8 TDCI recently. After this 'experience' I came away thinking it was the worst engine ever invented. Small surge of power between 1500 and 3000 rpm, nothing any higher or lower and sounded like a knackered tractor.

I can only conclude your 3.0 petrol must be the worst 3.0 ever invented. My 3.0 Legacy pisses all over the focus egnine in every concievable way (apart from mpg )

ST220.

I change gear before 3k because i dont drive like a tt.

[RichTBiscuit]

You do know you can use the whole rev range and not drive like a twonk?

I think you're missing out on a fantasic engine - I've test driven the ST220 before getting the subaru and it's great

[Jez0099]

toyotland cruiser 3.0 4cyl is n/a isnt it?

[davemac250]

Wafflesmk2 said:

ST220.

I change gear before 3k because i drive like an elderly tt.

Fixed that for you.

No wonder you don't like your car, get the revs up and give the engine a chance to do what it was designed for.

[varsas]

Wafflesmk2 said:

RichTBiscuit said:

I drove a Focus 1.8 TDCI recently. After this 'experience' I came away thinking it was the worst engine ever invented. Small surge of power between 1500 and 3000 rpm, nothing any higher or lower and sounded like a knackered tractor.

I can only conclude your 3.0 petrol must be the worst 3.0 ever invented. My 3.0 Legacy pisses all over the focus egnine in every concievable way (apart from mpg )

ST220.

I change gear before 3k because i dont drive like a tt.

Then yes, diesel is better for you because you aren't taking advantage of the benefits a petrol engine has. Bit like saying Amsterdam is rubbish because Vienna has better canals. Have never considered using more then 3k rpm as being indicative of poor driving!

[RobCrezz]

Wafflesmk2 said:

RichTBiscuit said:

I drove a Focus 1.8 TDCI recently. After this 'experience' I came away thinking it was the worst engine ever invented. Small surge of power between 1500 and 3000 rpm, nothing any higher or lower and sounded like a knackered tractor.

I can only conclude your 3.0 petrol must be the worst 3.0 ever invented. My 3.0 Legacy pisses all over the focus egnine in every concievable way (apart from mpg )

ST220.

I change gear before 3k because i dont drive like a tt.

Yes you are better off in a diesel if you change gear before 3k rpm.

[RichTBiscuit]

Motorway slip roads, and accelerating onto dual carriageways are two examples of perfect situations to use the whole rev range and have some fun without breaking the speed limit.

Edited by RichTBiscuit on Wednesday 21st March 14:21

[XitUp]

Why on earth would someone only use the first third or so of their power band? That seems like total idiocy.

[anonymous-user]

I don't think that engine will even open the inlets to half of it's 24 valves at that speed

[CBR JGWRR]

My Honda motorcycle couldn't run at the engine speed you run your car at!

[Needa308GT4]

having a 3.0l V6 and not going above 3k is like going to amsterdam and having a w*nk.

sell it and get a Polo D

[nagsheadwarrior]

BorkFactor said:

Am I correct in thinking the SDI engines, while being slow, are extremely reliable?

There are several Octavia SDIs used as taxis up my neck of the woods with well over 300k on them.

Anyway, this new, or expensive enough?!

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2012...

What an utterley hatefull thing,I am dismayed and depressed by the existence of that car at that price,I know some people dont care and just want economy/reliability but thats just an automotive white flag.

[Astra Dan]

Jeebus. You'd hate anything with VTEC then.

That is old school, VERY naive thinking. You won't harm a healthy engine giving it some boots. I've run my 1.3 Astra off the rev counter plenty of times and it's on over 200k miles. I thoroughly believe good stick and regular clean oil makes an engine last for a long long time.

Dooooooooooooooooo it.

[Fabric]

nagsheadwarrior said:

What an utterley hatefull thing,I am dismayed and depressed by the existence of that car at that price,I know some people dont care and just want economy/reliability but thats just an automotive white flag.

I have use of a Mk5 SDI and it really is the definition of a hateful engine. Acceleration could be described as glacial at best and dangerous at worst.

Granted, it returns amicable mileage around town, however on the motorway, merely maintaining 0.8 leptons results in it screaming its head off in protest, and any justifiable economy going out the window.

Oh, and it has to be the most agricultural sounding diesel made since the early 1990's as well.

[Blue Oval84]

Wafflesmk2 said:

ST220.

I change gear before 3k because i dont drive like a tt.

You do know that the IMRC unit doesn't open all the valves up in that engine until it's revving over 3K rpm don't you? That's why, if it's working correctly, that particular motor gives you a shove in the arse above about 3.5K RPM.