Tyre advice

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Hammer67

5,753 posts

186 months

Sunday 15th April 2012
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Kumhos are very good quality tyres, I sell thousands a year with virtally zero quality or warranty claims. Unlikely to be a quality issue.

That tyre looks to be worn out,showing relatively even wear across the tread so regardless of the damage any successful warranty claim would only result in a small pro rata payment.

Many high powered FWD cars present with tyres wearing around the inside edge, nature of the beast, that tyre looks to be suffering this. OP states its a pool car so, chances are, it`s had a hard life.

How many miles has the tyre done?

FWD, 170bhp, PAS, pool car ~ 10 to 15K max would be in the ball park I would think.

My advice would be to get the car thoroughly checked out on a 4 wheel alignment jig, stick with Kumhos and move on.

HustleRussell

24,781 posts

162 months

Sunday 15th April 2012
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Tango13 said:
HustleRussell said:
I disagree, the worn strip where the tear is appears smooth and blue with heat. I suspect the tyre has been rubbing on some element of the suspension or wheel arch area.
You don't need to rub a tyre to turn it blue, older radials would turn blue if you worked them hard enough. Looks to me more like a tracking issue to me or a bit of damage that has spread.
I'm aware of that, my race car runs road tyres and they all go blue. I just don't think this would happen on a diesel Passat road car and in such a localised way without something untoward having happened.

Rich K

Original Poster:

905 posts

258 months

Sunday 15th April 2012
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Hammer67 said:
Many high powered FWD cars present with tyres wearing around the inside edge, nature of the beast, that tyre looks to be suffering this. OP states its a pool car so, chances are, it`s had a hard life.

How many miles has the tyre done?

FWD, 170bhp, PAS, pool car ~ 10 to 15K max would be in the ball park I would think.

My advice would be to get the car thoroughly checked out on a 4 wheel alignment jig, stick with Kumhos and move on.
the car has done 69000 but no idea when the tyre was fitted, the wear though is on the side rather than the standing road contact point.

there are signs of severe wear around the whole circumference.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

248 months

Sunday 15th April 2012
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Hammer67 said:
That tyre looks to be worn out....
Absolutely!

And abused in some fashion or other.

Hammer67

5,753 posts

186 months

Sunday 15th April 2012
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Rich K said:
Hammer67 said:
Many high powered FWD cars present with tyres wearing around the inside edge, nature of the beast, that tyre looks to be suffering this. OP states its a pool car so, chances are, it`s had a hard life.

How many miles has the tyre done?

FWD, 170bhp, PAS, pool car ~ 10 to 15K max would be in the ball park I would think.

My advice would be to get the car thoroughly checked out on a 4 wheel alignment jig, stick with Kumhos and move on.
the car has done 69000 but no idea when the tyre was fitted, the wear though is on the side rather than the standing road contact point.

there are signs of severe wear around the whole circumference.
Well, if you`ve got no history of the tyre anything could have happened to it. Get the car properly checked out, fit a new pair of tyres and keep an eagle eye on it.

Jabbah

1,331 posts

156 months

Sunday 15th April 2012
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Camber problems

The crack across the tyre looks like what I had on an R888 and probably just a slight defect.

Jimbo.

3,952 posts

191 months

Sunday 15th April 2012
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What side was it fitted to? Nearside, by any chance?

Rich K

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905 posts

258 months

Sunday 15th April 2012
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Jimbo. said:
What side was it fitted to? Nearside, by any chance?
it was on the front off-side (being rotational, always on this side)
the other 3 tyres are OK

Rich K

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905 posts

258 months

Monday 16th April 2012
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Had 2 new front tyres fitted

the fitters were sure it was a geometry issue, so that was checked
here are the results ......... I've no understanding of it
they were suprised not to see a conclusive reason for the wear

here are the check results for those who replied to my post
who are clearly more knowledgable than me and may well understand them



so the cause still is unknown.
(The car hasn't been in an accident)

Hammer67

5,753 posts

186 months

Monday 16th April 2012
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Looking at that I would say the numbers in blue are the required settings for the car. Green are the actuals that are within tolerance and those in red are actuals that are beyond tolerance, measured before and after adjustment.

On the face of it there is nothing there, as stated, that really explains the state of the tyre. If I were you I would simply check the new tyre daily for any signs of abnormal wear. I suspect you`ll be fine and nothing further will occur.

BTW what tyres did you have fitted?


Puddenchucker

4,155 posts

220 months

Monday 16th April 2012
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The split across the tread, make me wonder if the tyre has sustained damage by hitting a kerb or pothole at some point?

Rich K

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905 posts

258 months

Monday 16th April 2012
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Hammer67 said:
BTW what tyres did you have fitted?
I'll keep an eye on them as you suggest

Tyres I had fitted were Nexon N6000
the reports seem OK I know that they aren't a "branded" tyre
but for £160 a pair incl geometry check I though I'd give them a go
(the car should go in 6 months or so)

the car does mainly motorway work ... it'll be interesting to see how they wear
and perform.

I have "budget" 315/35/20 atturo tyres on my wifes mercedes and have been very pleased with them
good wear and wet performance.

it's not always spend more to get better......... hope the Nexen are as good.

HustleRussell

24,781 posts

162 months

Monday 16th April 2012
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Nexen are okay in my experience, if a little noisy.

Rich K

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905 posts

258 months

Monday 16th April 2012
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I can always turn the music up ... laugh

Thanks for your input, James

R

blondini

477 posts

180 months

Monday 16th April 2012
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I was thinking the inner wall wear could have been caused by straddling speed cushions, but since the other tyres are apparently ok maybe it has been run underinflated?

fozzymandeus

1,047 posts

148 months

Monday 16th April 2012
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Toe was out there.

Tyre damage looks consequent to that, apart from the tear. That could have been due to weakened structure because of the kerb or pothole impact (or similar) that caused the geo to be out in the first place.

Rich K

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905 posts

258 months

Monday 16th April 2012
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fozzymandeus said:
Toe was out there.

Tyre damage looks consequent to that, apart from the tear. That could have been due to weakened structure because of the kerb or pothole impact (or similar) that caused the geo to be out in the first place.
No adjustments were made to the geometry ....... (I dont understand the numbers)

nonuts

15,855 posts

231 months

Monday 16th April 2012
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fozzymandeus said:
Toe was out there.
This, I've have thought +3.5 on one side and -2.0 on the other would make it quite interesting to drive too!

HustleRussell

24,781 posts

162 months

Monday 16th April 2012
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Looking at your geometry print-out, I still can't see that the tyre damage was caused by poor geometry. The only thing they have had to adjust is the front toe.
Your individual toe looks way off, with the front left towing in by 3.5mm and the front right toe'ing out by 2mm. However, you must consider that dynamically, whilst travelling in a straight line, this measurement is impossible; It tells me that in order to go in a straight line, you would have been holding the steering slightly to the left. This means your individual toe would've evened out at +0.75mm on both sides, or +1.5mm total, which is within tolerance and no unusual tyre wear would've been caused. Nothing else is really adjustable on a modern car, and indeed nothing else has been adjusted by your tyre fitters.

Billy_rfc

587 posts

257 months

Monday 16th April 2012
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Have you had the springs checked? Looks like a coli had broken off at some point and has been rubbing against the tyre.