Are Michelins Really All That?
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R300will said:
Dad's RS5 has dunlop sport or something on them (it came with them) and he doesn't rate them much. Had Pirelli P-Zero Rosso's on his old RS4 and swears by them.
Isnt the RS5 known for poor steering feel, where as the RS4 is known to be the second best handling Audi that they have made (inc steering feel)? Maybe this is why your dad blames the tyres.The Hitman said:
Yep, that is pretty good. I have a Clio 182, had Toyo T1-R's fitted and they where very good, but they just seemed to just dissapear, so I have heard that Michelin Pilot 3's were good but just wanted to check before "commiting"
I replaced my Kumhos on the front of my 182 after about 10k (still legal but was feeling vague in the wet) and I've went for Pilot Sport 3s. £240 for the pair at my local place and the chap reckons I'll get "a fair few more miles than the Kumhos".Possibly quieter and smoother than the Kumhos, but I'm not sure if that's just cos of the tyres getting balanced or what.
I prefer to look at my tyres and see "Michelin" too
The PS2 has a totally different and bespoke carcass to 'normal' road tyres. Looking inside the tyre it is completely smooth, rather than the crosshatching seen on most other tyres, sort of like a motorsport looking tyre
One thing about them is the wall - it's soft, so you do get initial vagueness on turn-in
Grip levels are very good dry & wet, as is progression - lots of feedback to what they're going to do
And yes, they do last longer
Sad the PS2's are no longer made, here's a pic of the inside
One thing about them is the wall - it's soft, so you do get initial vagueness on turn-in
Grip levels are very good dry & wet, as is progression - lots of feedback to what they're going to do
And yes, they do last longer
Sad the PS2's are no longer made, here's a pic of the inside
Patrick Bateman said:
There's so many different tyres from the top manufactures that it's hard to really label one brand as the absolute best as well.
That and I doubt many people have actually tried and tested competitor's top tyres of the same generation.
^ That and I doubt many people have actually tried and tested competitor's top tyres of the same generation.
This.
People generally can't afford to do what EVO/Autocar/Autoexpress do and test a complete set of the equivalent tyres from 10 different manufacturers on the same car in much the same conditions on the same test track/test route with measuring equipment/test facilities in a comparative tyre test. Even the big mags can't get hold of one of the particular brands/tyres they wanted for a test half the time.
What people generally do is compare some worn out 3 year old compound on the whole car with a brand new tyre from a different manufacturer ( which they've put on just one axle ) and give the impression 1000 miles into that 'comparison'
Interesting topic...
I've had Michelins on my 182 from new (first PE2, then later PS3's) and have seen no reason to change them. I get about 12k out of the fronts over a mixture of motorway cruising and twisties which I think is pretty good given how its driven.
I have been tempted to look for a cheaper option a couple of time, but they have such a good balance of grip, feel and endurance I end up sticking with them - seems I'm not alone in thinking this way!
I've had Michelins on my 182 from new (first PE2, then later PS3's) and have seen no reason to change them. I get about 12k out of the fronts over a mixture of motorway cruising and twisties which I think is pretty good given how its driven.
I have been tempted to look for a cheaper option a couple of time, but they have such a good balance of grip, feel and endurance I end up sticking with them - seems I'm not alone in thinking this way!
s m said:
Patrick Bateman said:
There's so many different tyres from the top manufactures that it's hard to really label one brand as the absolute best as well.
That and I doubt many people have actually tried and tested competitor's top tyres of the same generation.
^ That and I doubt many people have actually tried and tested competitor's top tyres of the same generation.
This.
People generally can't afford to do what EVO/Autocar/Autoexpress do and test a complete set of the equivalent tyres from 10 different manufacturers on the same car in much the same conditions on the same test track/test route with measuring equipment/test facilities in a comparative tyre test. Even the big mags can't get hold of one of the particular brands/tyres they wanted for a test half the time.
What people generally do is compare some worn out 3 year old compound on the whole car with a brand new tyre from a different manufacturer ( which they've put on just one axle ) and give the impression 1000 miles into that 'comparison'
PS3's on my MX5 and they are a revelation... predicatable and high levels of grip. The thing that most impressed me though was wet weather driving. Night and day from the T1R's I had before.
Can't talk about how long they'll last because they've only been on 3 months but if the rep is anything to go off then I'm a convert.
Can't talk about how long they'll last because they've only been on 3 months but if the rep is anything to go off then I'm a convert.
Benbay001 said:
R300will said:
Dad's RS5 has dunlop sport or something on them (it came with them) and he doesn't rate them much. Had Pirelli P-Zero Rosso's on his old RS4 and swears by them.
Isnt the RS5 known for poor steering feel, where as the RS4 is known to be the second best handling Audi that they have made (inc steering feel)? Maybe this is why your dad blames the tyres.Car before (BMW coupe) had Michelin, and they were great tyres as well. 18-23K out of a set, car behaved impeccably on them.
S1_RS said:
I'm having a full set of Michelin Pilot Super Sports 235/35 19 fitted to the Focus on tuesday having been recommended them via various forums. The Contis they're replacing have a habit of splitting sidewalls.
Indeed, these are what my Focus will be getting once the current tyres get shredded.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff