longitudinal engine but FWD?

longitudinal engine but FWD?

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TheDoggingFather

17,133 posts

208 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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TerzoNeil said:
basic 1.6 subaru imprezas
Aren't all Impreza's four wheel drive?

Triumph Man

8,751 posts

170 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Eighteeteewhy said:
Triumph Man said:
Also, the Renault 5 had a longitudinal engine. In a supermini!
I didn't know that?
Yeah the first one, not the second one. The Renault 4 also did. Well, as has been touched upon above, lots of 70s/80s renaults. The 21 actually had transverse and longitudinal engines, depending on which engine you went for. The turbo was longitudinal, for example, whereas the 1.7 was transverse.

balls-out

3,619 posts

233 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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2cv

Huff

3,174 posts

193 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Renault 16s were longitudinal mid-engined FWD! The engine is behind the transaxle - and that's the cylinder head disappearing under the scuttle into the cabin:


lost in espace

6,192 posts

209 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Passat b6 tdi.

Vince70

1,939 posts

196 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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TheDoggingFather said:
Aren't all Impreza's four wheel drive?
no basic spec was two wheel drive.

you have to be careful when buying grey imports as a lot are two wheel drive.

iva cosworth

44,044 posts

165 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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orhan said:
Tes early SAAB 900 was that way too
ALL SAABs before the 9000 and new gen [GM] 900 were this way.

Boosted LS1

21,190 posts

262 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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iva cosworth said:
ALL SAABs before the 9000 and new gen [GM] 900 were this way.
Yep, engine in back to front. Gearbox underneath and double wishbones. A proper handling car smile

anonymous-user

56 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Triumph Man said:
Camaro91 said:
I believe the old Cadillac El Dorado had a longitudinal 8.2-litre v8 powering the front wheels!
I'm sure it had some weird drive arrangement that sapped a load of power, sending it forwards, then turning it around through a series of bevel gears and then sending it back to the front wheels. Or something. I'm sure 300 will be along soon to correct me!
The Oldmobile Toronado from the late 60's was longitudinal, FWD and chain-driven, I believe. Smooth... (?)

McSam

6,753 posts

177 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Huff said:
Renault 16s were longitudinal mid-engined FWD! The engine is behind the transaxle - and that's the cylinder head disappearing under the scuttle into the cabin:

nono That's "front-mid engined", we avoid calling that design simply "mid-engined" because despite it being inside the wheelbase just like a Lamborghini, the typical assumption for the term "mid-engined" is that it's behind the cabin!

Suppose a few Audis are technically front-mid engined too. Certainly my A4 had the entirety of its V6 mounted (longitudinally) behind the front axle line!

kambites

67,719 posts

223 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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McSam said:
Suppose a few Audis are technically front-mid engined too. Certainly my A4 had the entirety of its V6 mounted (longitudinally) behind the front axle line!
Really? I thought Audi put the engines directly over the axle line.

OlberJ

14,101 posts

235 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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That'd be some angle on the driveshafts if it was actually behind the hub line.

iva cosworth

44,044 posts

165 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Boosted LS1 said:
iva cosworth said:
ALL SAABs before the 9000 and new gen [GM] 900 were this way.
Yep, engine in back to front. Gearbox underneath and double wishbones. A proper handling car smile
Good for replacing clutch.

Bad for replacing timing chain.......and jackshaft on frozen 99 engines

NiceCupOfTea

25,298 posts

253 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Boosted LS1 said:
Yep, engine in back to front. Gearbox underneath and double wishbones. A proper handling car smile
biggrinshout Don't sell it! wink

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

198 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Do we have any schematics or diagrams of these arrangements?

jaisharma

1,033 posts

185 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Lancia fulvia

aw51 121565

4,771 posts

235 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Triumph Man said:
... The 21 actually had transverse and longitudinal engines, depending on which engine you went for. The turbo was longitudinal, for example, whereas the 1.7 was transverse.
yes and the 1.7-engined cars' front axle line was further forward than in the 2.0-engined cars because of this, meaning a longer wheelbase on 1.7s... (And the Saloons had a shorter wheelbase than the Estates, so the R21 was available with 4 wheelbases depending on engine and body type!!!) Madness but it made economic sense as it was cheaper than a new gearbox for the 1.7-engined models apparently. smile



BAck to the R5, the engine/transmission unit in the early ones was installed longitudionally with the end-on inline gearbox at the front of the car adjacent the radiator and the engine adjacent to the bulkhead, which is why the centre of the dashboard sat so far back in the passenger compartment wink .

rallycross

12,886 posts

239 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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loose cannon said:
80s renaults
Yes had a few R Fuego and 18 TL/GTS/GTS they had the engine hanging out the front like this. One of my Fuego's had a bad vibration that used to losen all the bolts holding the gearbox to the block ao every 500 miles we had to tighten all the bolts back up or the gearbox would try and depart!

I think the R 12 also had the same layout, I remember having a 1.2 R12 - it taught me a lot about understeer! these were also sold under licence in Romania as Dacia's.

tank slapper

7,949 posts

285 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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loose cannon said:
80s renaults
Yep. The 18 definitely did, and it made it a bd to get to the starter motor, which was in between the left suspension arm and the intake manifold. It took two universal joints to get to one of the bolts.

kev b

2,716 posts

168 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Citroen Traction Avant, DS, XM (I think), definitely Citroen Maserati SM.
ETA Ford Taunus P4

Edited by kev b on Friday 12th October 00:01