RE: 2015 Honda Civic Type R: the engineers talk
Discussion
kambites said:
After_Shock said:
Oddball RS said:
Thats got to be the worst reason to build a hot hatch yet, Sorry but it does not result in a decent UK road car.
Hasnt done the meganne any harm tho has it?The Megane is a very capable road car. The suspension is very firm but I haven't had an issue with it. My take is the 'ring time is a consequence of its excellent road handling, not the reverse.
Oddball RS said:
We already know Honda is aiming for a new front-wheel drive 'ring record with the next Civic Type R. But is that bad news for those of us without a year ticket to the Nordschleife?
Thats got to be the worst reason to build a hot hatch yet, Sorry but it does not result in a decent UK road car.
What wrong with some people, do you just pick up on/ remember the bits you don't like? Here, in the same article!!!Thats got to be the worst reason to build a hot hatch yet, Sorry but it does not result in a decent UK road car.
"All this talk about the 'ring is beginning to make the B-road in our soul a little nervous, though. But Hasshi and Yamamoto are quick to acknowledge the UK is the biggest market for Type R in Europe; it will be built here, at Swindon, and as a consequence it will also be tested here. This is a relief."
So, why would it not result in a good UK road car???? None of this has hurt Renault's road cars has it? And they're not even developed on UK roads!!!
Edited by HighwayStar on Tuesday 11th December 10:46
HighwayStar said:
What wrong with some people, do you just pick up on/ remember the bits you don't like? Here, in the same article!!!
"All this talk about the 'ring is beginning to make the B-road in our soul a little nervous, though. But Hasshi and Yamamoto are quick to acknowledge the UK is the biggest market for Type R in Europe; it will be built here, at Swindon, and as a consequence it will also be tested here. This is a relief."
So, why would it not result in a good UK road car????
Because by the sounds of it they're sticking with what it known to be a rubbish rear suspension configuration?"All this talk about the 'ring is beginning to make the B-road in our soul a little nervous, though. But Hasshi and Yamamoto are quick to acknowledge the UK is the biggest market for Type R in Europe; it will be built here, at Swindon, and as a consequence it will also be tested here. This is a relief."
So, why would it not result in a good UK road car????
It saddens me to hear that they are so interested in dumping as much torque as they can in there, I'm sure diesel-esque power delivery is something every Honda fan has been wishing for. I'm struggling to see why this car deserves a Type R badge, it might be a quick Honda, it will without doubt be their quickest FWD car ever, but without a proper VTEC engine I think it will struggle to win the hearts and minds of those familiar with the engines that put Honda at the top of the field for hot hatch fun in the past.
I know it's not Honda's fault they had to pull the NA VTEC engines, and the Type R badge is really being trotted out here as a marketing excercise, but imo I'd rather take 200bhp, proper VTEC surge towards the redline, the pin-sharp throttle response and the truly incredible noises of the older engines, than have 300bhp and a shedload of torque from a quiet, flat, low revving turbo. Honda certainly have their work cut out to make a turbo engine that does not fall into the pitfalls of many turbo engines on the hot hatch scene.
I know it's not Honda's fault they had to pull the NA VTEC engines, and the Type R badge is really being trotted out here as a marketing excercise, but imo I'd rather take 200bhp, proper VTEC surge towards the redline, the pin-sharp throttle response and the truly incredible noises of the older engines, than have 300bhp and a shedload of torque from a quiet, flat, low revving turbo. Honda certainly have their work cut out to make a turbo engine that does not fall into the pitfalls of many turbo engines on the hot hatch scene.
Chrisw666 said:
kambites said:
I think people would be happy if they set out to produce the best road car they could and never took the thing anywhere near the blood 'ring.
I'd just like them to make something that doesn't prolapse my disc when I take it out in search of their increasingly irrelevant ring times.
It's a hot hatch for goodness sake, not a GTR.
kambites said:
Kong said:
Maybe if they were targeting the slowest ever 'ring time then some people on here might actually be happy
I think people would be happy if they set out to produce the best road car they could and never took the thing anywhere near the blood 'ring. Kong said:
kambites said:
Kong said:
Maybe if they were targeting the slowest ever 'ring time then some people on here might actually be happy
I think people would be happy if they set out to produce the best road car they could and never took the thing anywhere near the blood 'ring. As I mentioned in another thread "A test driver completely focused on trying to beat a lap time isn't going to say, "make the car more compliant as the car is too stiff on that corner and it's unpleasant to drive", they are going to say, "can you stiffen up the car a bit more as I couldn't fully commit in that corner and I'm sure I could shave a few tenths off". This is the problem with developing a car to beat the Ring.
Guvernator said:
Captain Muppet said:
From a thread yesterday:
You mentioned this in a post yesterday and I was just as puzzled by it then. Not meaning to sound obtuse but what does one admittedly pretty rough corner at the ring have to do with building a decent road car\hot hatch? Captain Muppet said:
None of my local B-roads are anything like as rough as the Karussell.
However it does highlight that pounding round the ring lap after lap does have a comfort component, and doesn't neccessarily lead to cars with are unusable on roads.
Kong said:
kambites said:
Kong said:
Maybe if they were targeting the slowest ever 'ring time then some people on here might actually be happy
I think people would be happy if they set out to produce the best road car they could and never took the thing anywhere near the blood 'ring. Edited by kambites on Tuesday 11th December 11:15
Mastodon2 said:
It saddens me to hear that they are so interested in dumping as much torque as they can in there, I'm sure diesel-esque power delivery is something every Honda fan has been wishing for. I'm struggling to see why this car deserves a Type R badge, it might be a quick Honda, it will without doubt be their quickest FWD car ever, but without a proper VTEC engine I think it will struggle to win the hearts and minds of those familiar with the engines that put Honda at the top of the field for hot hatch fun in the past.
I know it's not Honda's fault they had to pull the NA VTEC engines, and the Type R badge is really being trotted out here as a marketing excercise, but imo I'd rather take 200bhp, proper VTEC surge towards the redline, the pin-sharp throttle response and the truly incredible noises of the older engines, than have 300bhp and a shedload of torque from a quiet, flat, low revving turbo. Honda certainly have their work cut out to make a turbo engine that does not fall into the pitfalls of many turbo engines on the hot hatch scene.
How do you know it will be low-revving? If Subaru were able to make the flat 4 turbo rev to 8k from the mid nineties onwards, perhaps Honda will do the same now?I know it's not Honda's fault they had to pull the NA VTEC engines, and the Type R badge is really being trotted out here as a marketing excercise, but imo I'd rather take 200bhp, proper VTEC surge towards the redline, the pin-sharp throttle response and the truly incredible noises of the older engines, than have 300bhp and a shedload of torque from a quiet, flat, low revving turbo. Honda certainly have their work cut out to make a turbo engine that does not fall into the pitfalls of many turbo engines on the hot hatch scene.
kambites said:
Kong said:
kambites said:
Kong said:
Maybe if they were targeting the slowest ever 'ring time then some people on here might actually be happy
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