RE: New Civic Type R details

[TrivsTom]

Type R Tourer to rival Focus ST estate anyone?

[seefarr]

Krikkit said:

seefarr said:

Pierscoe1 said:

if it were really about the environment.... http://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green...

/end-morning-rant.

You posted a link to a video about African deserts in response to a story about the Civic Type R?




Edit: sorry, I just got to the bit about where he shot 40000 elephants. The Honda link all makes sense now! Wait, no it doesn't.

Not really fair to quote half a post and have a go - he makes a valid point.

Watch the video and talk to me! It actually talks about the need to eliminate the use of fossil fuels and that carbon is the major cause of climate change. It's not even BP funded denial propaganda!

[Bear Phils]

I find it unlikely they're going to use a 1.6, to get the power they need for the record a 2.0T will be a much easier engine to use. Look at it's main rivals as well, 2.0 turbo engines, all of them.

[Dion20vt]

Whichever engine it'll be with, no doubt we will get the semi skimmed version in the uk while the Japs will get the full fat version!

[Benbay001]

seefarr said:

Watch the video and talk to me! It actually talks about the need to eliminate the use of fossil fuels and that carbon is the major cause of climate change. It's not even BP funded denial propaganda!

The day when the world comes to an end due to MAN MADE carbon emissions, i will take my hat off and eat it in front of a live audience.

[Axionknight]

beasto said:

Trouble is that Honda replaced the good-looking last-gen Civic Hatch with a grisly pos.

It's hard to believe that even a Type-R will turn the present sow's ear into a desirable silk purse.

Agreed.

I liked the FN2 TypeR, it made the bogo Civic look good but how they'll do that this time round I have no idea, it's a right dogs dinner IMO - if they have designers good enough to sort it why is it so ugly in the first place, lol.

[HedgehogFromHell]

Imafreeman said:

I'd rather have an electric engine than a small turbo petrol one (have a 1.4 turbo atm, and don't like it). They really aren't very nice to drive compared to a screaming vtech or supercharged. Turbos should stay on diesel barges.

Try a bigger engined one.. I can assure you turbos really shouldn't stay on diesel barges.

Problem is, with all this green/ped safety crap, the smaller engines that could be a hoot to drive, are generally numbed down by the stock mapping/hardware to get it through emissions testing by the euro zone and what little is left is offset by the immense weight by making the new cars safer for pedestrians to crash into... How about the euro zone fks off and stops fking getting involved where it's not fking wanted. The idea that a car should be made a better crash mat for a pedestrian is perverse, how about start teaching peds to fking look where they're going, or how about better driver training to reduce accidents? Or EVEN better, give everyone a fking zorb ball to rock around in! Then the worst that can happen is your get fking pelted into the air and land gracefully.
I was out the other night in my RS and was asked "Seems powerful, what engine is in it?" to which i politely replied "Its a 2.5 litre Turbocharged engine"... The response? "Oh such a big engine in a small car, it must cost thousands! I could never have one.".... Since when did a 2.5T become a fking massive engine? Euro-Emissions = Death of the daily driver with immense thrills (unless you want to sacrifice practicality) I've never liked VTEC, sounds horrendous to my ears and too weak to appeal to my petrolheaded mind. A V8 is what i've always loved in an N/A application.. However, these days, i don't have a choice, i can have a dreary diesel, or an overladen petrol..

Rant over

Edited by HedgehogFromHell on Wednesday 24th July 10:25

[Alfa159Ti]

Vtec technology is long in the tooth - about time they stopped clinging to the past and moved on.

I have a lot of respect for the old school 'master engine craftsmen' ethos but in practice an engine with no torque except in the final redline dash is not practical on anything other than an empty road.

The rest of the crowd moved on years ago and have been making some cracking blown hot hatches.

Lets hope Honda can get back on track with this and that the luddites actually drive it before derriding it.

[otolith]

Alfa159Ti said:

I have a lot of respect for the old school 'master engine craftsmen' ethos but in practice an engine with no torque except in the final redline dash is not practical on anything other than an empty road.

Good job that recent Type-R engines are absolutely nothing like that then.

[Mr Whippy]

Alfa159Ti said:

Vtec technology is long in the tooth - about time they stopped clinging to the past and moved on.

I have a lot of respect for the old school 'master engine craftsmen' ethos but in practice an engine with no torque except in the final redline dash is not practical on anything other than an empty road.

The rest of the crowd moved on years ago and have been making some cracking blown hot hatches.

Lets hope Honda can get back on track with this and that the luddites actually drive it before derriding it.

They have a big fraction of the torque from low rpm ranges, it just *feels* like they don't.

They are actually great engines that really deliver, rather than turbo ones that give a feeling of speed but are not so fast.


I think it's a sad day. They are now worrying over CO2 more than what a driver of this kind of car wants. A good way to just make your product fade into the background.

Automatic, turbo, blah blah.


Why isn't anyone making a 2.0 6 pot turbo, something that can be turbo but sounds great and revs hard?


Boring engineering for boring cars for boring people is what I say. You get one ride on life and people go out and buy this kind of generic crap?

Dave

[Face for Radio]

I think this thread is the biggest anti-climax since the film 'Funny People'.

[kambites]

Benbay001 said:

seefarr said:

Watch the video and talk to me! It actually talks about the need to eliminate the use of fossil fuels and that carbon is the major cause of climate change. It's not even BP funded denial propaganda!

The day when the world comes to an end due to MAN MADE carbon emissions, i will take my hat off and eat it in front of a live audience.

Surely if the world has come to an end, there wont be a live audience to eat it in front of... plus by even the most pessimistic estimates, you'll have been dead for several hundred years before it becomes a really big issue.

[HedgehogFromHell]

Face for Radio said:

I think this thread is the biggest anti-climax since the film 'Funny People'.

At least there's been more information and learning points in the thread than there were in the article.

[Face for Radio]

HedgehogFromHell said:

At least there's been more information and learning points in the thread than there were in the article.

Sorry, I meant article.

[daveinaravecave]

Honda are going back to F1 with McLaren.

Maybe they will launch it with a 1.6T V6 and have a "Type R F1 Limited Edition".

[Passeyfier]

I don't see why they had to drop the VTEC when most of their other models (well, maybe all of them) are elderly-oriented. Aston Martin released the Cygnet to try and balance emissions and such...why can't manufacturers, not just Honda, release a sole performance naturally-aspirated model amongst all of their other eco boxes?

[dukebox9reg]

Have to say for a good 5 years or so Ive lost all interest in Japanese cars. Mazda are starting to peak my interest slightly with their new approach but Honda, no chance.

Need more things like the high powered FIT's (Jazz Type R) etc to catch my interest again.
I would have a Jazz Type R over a Fiesta ST. Strange comment I know.

There's also no reason why Honda couldnt still use VTEC with a turbo. Theres plently of people that turbo their breadvans so why so many complaints when Honda do it out of the box?

Edited by dukebox9reg on Wednesday 24th July 10:37

[Face for Radio]

Passeyfier said:

I don't see why they had to drop the VTEC when most of their other models (well, maybe all of them) are elderly-oriented. Aston Martin released the Cygnet to try and balance emissions and such...why can't manufacturers, not just Honda, release a sole performance naturally-aspirated model amongst all of their other eco boxes?

It will still be a VTEC engine, it just won't rely on NA for power.

[redroadster]

Having had a vtec in a mini i can only say it was a pleasure ringing its neck to the redline ,it sounded fantastic and they are a very reliable unit,certainly on our clogged up roads the lack of low down torque is why most people will find turbo engined cars better for getting past traffic but just in case you have never tried one do before there is no more.

[Andy ap]

For all those who think Turbo cars don't have 'proper' engines (whatever that means) i suggest you get your fix of rev happy screamers while you still can.

Don't want to start an NA vs FI argument but i am a little surprised that Honda have gone for FI quite so soon. I think its also the markets fault for demanding more power (do we really NEED that much power in a FWD hatchback on our roads?) yet conversely wanting more efficiency/economy (legislation and emissions driven). lets Hope that Honda can keep the engine in tune with the VTEC and rev happy nature of the type r's and keep the green flag wavers happy.