0-60, where will it end?
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Wills2 said:
I think we are at the limit at around 2.5 secs, we will now see a move down to the 3.something from the next M3/C63/RS4, the latest Rs6 and e63 Mercs are in the 3's already.
Even some deisels are down in the 4's out of the box with none of the legendary mapping needing to be done.
The new 991 turbo S has been tested at 2.6 so we now have "normal" production cars that can nearly match the Veyron to 60.
The hypercars will have to find a new bench mark 0-200kph seems a popular yardstick.
which derv can do a sub 5?Even some deisels are down in the 4's out of the box with none of the legendary mapping needing to be done.
The new 991 turbo S has been tested at 2.6 so we now have "normal" production cars that can nearly match the Veyron to 60.
The hypercars will have to find a new bench mark 0-200kph seems a popular yardstick.
Ari said:
I get that, but are things like the Ford Focus RS and Clio Renaultsport 200 Turbo really being crashed more than Alfasuds in the Seventies and Golf GTI's in the Eighties? I suspect not, despite having two or three times the power!
Were getting to the point of human reaction vs. power, even in my ST @ 250 horses you have to be quick on your feet pressing on. So as cars are all ready hitting the price / performance ratio of 300hp / 25K (Focus RS) as you mentioned, what's coming in ten years time? Especially with all the BMW owners out there.. The next RS is said to be coming out @ 330 - 350 HP in 2015, so in 2023 if where saying 450 - 500HP hot hatches, it's going to become mighty dangerous.MonkeyMatt said:
Wills2 said:
I think we are at the limit at around 2.5 secs, we will now see a move down to the 3.something from the next M3/C63/RS4, the latest Rs6 and e63 Mercs are in the 3's already.
Even some deisels are down in the 4's out of the box with none of the legendary mapping needing to be done.
The new 991 turbo S has been tested at 2.6 so we now have "normal" production cars that can nearly match the Veyron to 60.
The hypercars will have to find a new bench mark 0-200kph seems a popular yardstick.
which derv can do a sub 5?Even some deisels are down in the 4's out of the box with none of the legendary mapping needing to be done.
The new 991 turbo S has been tested at 2.6 so we now have "normal" production cars that can nearly match the Veyron to 60.
The hypercars will have to find a new bench mark 0-200kph seems a popular yardstick.
sorry I see others have replied.
Edited by Wills2 on Monday 29th July 20:35
Shadows said:
Ari said:
I get that, but are things like the Ford Focus RS and Clio Renaultsport 200 Turbo really being crashed more than Alfasuds in the Seventies and Golf GTI's in the Eighties? I suspect not, despite having two or three times the power!
Were getting to the point of human reaction vs. power, even in my ST @ 250 horses you have to be quick on your feet pressing on. So as cars are all ready hitting the price / performance ratio of 300hp / 25K (Focus RS) as you mentioned, what's coming in ten years time? Especially with all the BMW owners out there.. The next RS is said to be coming out @ 330 - 350 HP in 2015, so in 2023 if where saying 450 - 500HP hot hatches, it's going to become mighty dangerous.Either that or it will be reined in by some ridiculously intrusive traction control system that limits power in all but extremely special circumstances, ie in top gear with the wheels straight.
But then a 4-500 BHP four wheel drive car is unremarkable these days so it won't cause massive safety issues.
Futuramic said:
Yes and no, they'll have to consider four wheel drive with anything over about 400 BHP. I know we've got the hybrid MacPherson strut now but even with technology such as that - and perhaps relocating the differential to give equal length drive shafts or whatever - it's going to be more than one pair of wheels can realistically handle on the road.
Either that or it will be reined in by some ridiculously intrusive traction control system that limits power in all but extremely special circumstances, ie in top gear with the wheels straight.
But then a 4-500 BHP four wheel drive car is unremarkable these days so it won't cause massive safety issues.
They already have Either that or it will be reined in by some ridiculously intrusive traction control system that limits power in all but extremely special circumstances, ie in top gear with the wheels straight.
But then a 4-500 BHP four wheel drive car is unremarkable these days so it won't cause massive safety issues.
, AMG A45 ring a bell? Even that car is a prime example of what a fast car in the wrong hands can be potentially very dangerous, all it takes is for it to become in the hands of many. Give it 10 years 200 HP more and sparks will happen.If we were to give everyone on the UK roads a Nissan GTR, do you think it would be a good idea or not?
nyxster said:
I would have thought the F1 cars with their colossal rear wheels and slick tyres, light weight and huge power would be a reference for what the limits of physics are.
There's no such thing as 'limit of physics' with this sort of thing. If you have enough power and sufficient tyre adhesion to react it, then you'll go faster and there are no real theoretical limits, just look at what current Top Fuel dragsters achieve. Skipping tyre adhesion altogether and propelling it another way is nice, I believe the fastest was some sort of jet car from the 80s, there's a video knocking around somewhere.But no road car is going to go faster than the figures I mentioned above, because power is no longer the issue and grip is - the tyres limit what's possible and with meaningful downforce impossible at these speeds, that's that, whatever the drive method. If you've noticed, the upcoming hypercar crop are all about 0-200kph figures as that's the only meaningful yardstick for them now.
mebe said:
Ari said:
0 - 60, where will it all end?
Sad to say but I think the most likely answer is "legislation". Too much fun always attracts attention.I find lateral acceleration much much more fun though.
I cannot fathom the price of that Lamborghini with the 2.5 second to 60 time. It costs £1.95 Million, and it's lap time was not a huge amount quicker than the Caterham R500 or Nissan GTR considering the massive price difference.
Now I can understand that the Sesto Elemento is really something special, but nearly £2 Million? I'll have the GTR and the change thanks.
I guess as lighter materials become more usable and BHP per tonne increases then so will 0-60, although I wonder if the Sesto can actually take the strain of those speeds for any prolonged period of time or whether the pursuit of weight shaving will cause issues.
I'm looking forward to a supercar built mainly from graphene rather than carbon.
Now I can understand that the Sesto Elemento is really something special, but nearly £2 Million? I'll have the GTR and the change thanks.
I guess as lighter materials become more usable and BHP per tonne increases then so will 0-60, although I wonder if the Sesto can actually take the strain of those speeds for any prolonged period of time or whether the pursuit of weight shaving will cause issues.
I'm looking forward to a supercar built mainly from graphene rather than carbon.
Traction is the limiting factor, the current fastest accelerating vehicles on the planet (top fuel dragsters) accelerate to 74mph in 0.5 seconds (covering 21ft).
This Youtube video shows what it takes and is very informative:
Top Fuel Dragster
You aren't going to get much more than that without switching to rockets.
This Youtube video shows what it takes and is very informative:
Top Fuel Dragster
You aren't going to get much more than that without switching to rockets.
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