RE: Ferrari F12: Review
Discussion
Krikkit said:
Quite - dry weight vs kerb weight is hardly any difference on 99% of road cars, a bike it makes a bigger difference of course.
Well in most cars it's at least 10% of the value. I reckon maybe quote ready for road with 75kgs driver, full with oil coolant etc andI maybe 10litres of fuel and 1litre screenwash. 300bhp/ton said:
E38Ross said:
I never understand the quoting of dry weights. They're totally meaningless.
You can't drive a car without oil, coolant, fuel etc so why quote without it? They're all vital components. We offer different to quoting a weight without wheels and tyres.
I guess there are two main reasons why some makers claim it:You can't drive a car without oil, coolant, fuel etc so why quote without it? They're all vital components. We offer different to quoting a weight without wheels and tyres.
- it gives a lower number, good for publicity and generally confusing people.
- a 'wet' weight needs defining; does it include fuel for example.
Google says:
"Petrol weight 1Litre = 0.711kg"
A 19 gallon tank full of petrol would add approx 61kg.
Would still have the Aventatdor (if I could afford it) over the Ferrari.
Why? It looks 10 times better and it is Batman's car!!!
The Ferrari may be dynamically superior but such things can only ever be tested on the race track where I'd never go and risk pranging my quarter of a million quid hyper car.
Why? It looks 10 times better and it is Batman's car!!!
The Ferrari may be dynamically superior but such things can only ever be tested on the race track where I'd never go and risk pranging my quarter of a million quid hyper car.
Schermerhorn said:
Would still have the Aventatdor (if I could afford it) over the Ferrari.
Why? It looks 10 times better and it is Batman's car!!!
The Ferrari may be dynamically superior but such things can only ever be tested on the race track where I'd never go and risk pranging my quarter of a million quid hyper car.
I think most people in the market for a new F12 could afford an Aventador aswell!Why? It looks 10 times better and it is Batman's car!!!
The Ferrari may be dynamically superior but such things can only ever be tested on the race track where I'd never go and risk pranging my quarter of a million quid hyper car.
E38Ross said:
Ok so most cars add about 45-50kgs for fuel, plus 75kgs for driver, add what, 15kgs for oil, coolant and some scree wash you're talking around 10% additional mass. Fair amount. Funny I remember someone a while ago claiming the M5 was too heavy and some other car was better as it was lighter.... Yet they quoted a dry vs kerb weight and worked out the M5 was lighter
???Blackpuddin said:
So Ferrari is now charging an extra £15k+ to paint its cars red? Hmm.
Rossa Monza is a special order shade of red, I believe that cars painted in that shade are initially finished in normal Rosso Corsa, The car is then taken to a specialist paintshop to be repainted in Rosso Monza. If you scratch it the car has to go back to the same paintshop to be redone.It's basically the same red as seen on the Alfa Romeo 8C and bizarrely enough was briefly available on the entire range of Alfa Romeos. You could have your Mito in the same colour and it still cost £15k to paint.
365daytonafan said:
Blackpuddin said:
So Ferrari is now charging an extra £15k+ to paint its cars red? Hmm.
Rossa Monza is a special order shade of red, I believe that cars painted in that shade are initially finished in normal Rosso Corsa, The car is then taken to a specialist paintshop to be repainted in Rosso Monza. If you scratch it the car has to go back to the same paintshop to be redone.It's basically the same red as seen on the Alfa Romeo 8C and bizarrely enough was briefly available on the entire range of Alfa Romeos. You could have your Mito in the same colour and it still cost £15k to paint.
Wonder how many cans you'd need to respray a car in Monza Red?
Financing options... mortgaging options more like!
A shot in the dark -
Assuming you have equity in property to secure the loan and you have a "friendly" bank manager:
> Nearly new cost: F12 iwht 500 miles on clock ~£250k
> 1 year old: F12 with 2500 miles on clock ~£220k
Depreciation for 1 year: £30k "max" - BIG unknown - cheapest Aventador 2 yrs old with 11k miles has only lost £50k from new price (16% in 2 years!!!!!)
Cost of finance at 7% £14k (assuming £50k deposit)
Cost of insurance ???? £3k
Im sure I read that service is included for first 3 years on all new Ferraris
Petrol / consumables almost irrelevant, as you would be spending +/- on what ever car you drive.
1 year and 2000 miles I would guess £47k or £3917 per month or £23.50 per mile.
Tempted ????
A shot in the dark -
Assuming you have equity in property to secure the loan and you have a "friendly" bank manager:
> Nearly new cost: F12 iwht 500 miles on clock ~£250k
> 1 year old: F12 with 2500 miles on clock ~£220k
Depreciation for 1 year: £30k "max" - BIG unknown - cheapest Aventador 2 yrs old with 11k miles has only lost £50k from new price (16% in 2 years!!!!!)
Cost of finance at 7% £14k (assuming £50k deposit)
Cost of insurance ???? £3k
Im sure I read that service is included for first 3 years on all new Ferraris
Petrol / consumables almost irrelevant, as you would be spending +/- on what ever car you drive.
1 year and 2000 miles I would guess £47k or £3917 per month or £23.50 per mile.
Tempted ????
365daytonafan said:
Rossa Monza is a special order shade of red, I believe that cars painted in that shade are initially finished in normal Rosso Corsa, The car is then taken to a specialist paintshop to be repainted in Rosso Monza. If you scratch it the car has to go back to the same paintshop to be redone.
It's basically the same red as seen on the Alfa Romeo 8C and bizarrely enough was briefly available on the entire range of Alfa Romeos. You could have your Mito in the same colour and it still cost £15k to paint.
Interesting. When you say "you Beleive" why is that ?It's basically the same red as seen on the Alfa Romeo 8C and bizarrely enough was briefly available on the entire range of Alfa Romeos. You could have your Mito in the same colour and it still cost £15k to paint.
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