RE: Porsche 911 Turbo Cabriolet revealed
Discussion
I didn't realise how much these things cost now.....utterly bonkers for such a mass produced car, however capable it may be.
Makes the Exige V6 seem like a complete bargain.
The Alfa 4C too.
Both of which have more performance than you can realistically use on the road, and are probably just as engaging to drive, if not more so.
However, neither of them will sell in anything like the numbers the 911 will - bizarre...... all credit to Porsche for milking it to the max though!
Cheers
Jerry
Makes the Exige V6 seem like a complete bargain.
The Alfa 4C too.
Both of which have more performance than you can realistically use on the road, and are probably just as engaging to drive, if not more so.
However, neither of them will sell in anything like the numbers the 911 will - bizarre...... all credit to Porsche for milking it to the max though!
Cheers
Jerry
jerrytlr said:
I didn't realise how much these things cost now.....utterly bonkers for such a mass produced car, however capable it may be.
Makes the Exige V6 seem like a complete bargain.
The Alfa 4C too.
Both of which have more performance than you can realistically use on the road, and are probably just as engaging to drive, if not more so.
However, neither of them will sell in anything like the numbers the 911 will - bizarre...... all credit to Porsche for milking it to the max though!
Cheers
Jerry
Well said. $155K for a car that has the same overall lack luster appearance; meaning it is not exotic enough on the outside and it certainly isnt and never will be as exclusive as a 458 or a Lambo. It is so much money I dont care how well it performs. Dont get me wrong they are very nice looking cars, but for that kind of money I cant help to think you are paying out the rear for the badge more than anything else. Which is odd because you dont really think of Porsche the same way you would a Ferrari or Lambo which if you had the money you wouldnt mind knowing you are paying a premium for the badge since other cars under 100K like the Exige V6 and the Viper or even a Nissan GTR have the same performance figures. Makes the Exige V6 seem like a complete bargain.
The Alfa 4C too.
Both of which have more performance than you can realistically use on the road, and are probably just as engaging to drive, if not more so.
However, neither of them will sell in anything like the numbers the 911 will - bizarre...... all credit to Porsche for milking it to the max though!
Cheers
Jerry
In this logic than Lotus should try fetching $150K for the new Esprit.
Speaking of which, has anyone got any news on the new Esprit. I would love to see what designs Lotus is playing with. I dont think they are going to keep the Bahar design.
moskvich427 said:
I'd never have the soft-top over the standard 911... but can totally understand why those living in hotter climates might.
Also, 3.2 secs to 60 for the Turbo S. Insane!
In reality it will almost certainly be faster than this. Porsche are generally conservative with their performance claims. The 997 Turbo S was claimed to do 0-60 in 3.3 but a US magazine timed one at below 2.8 seconds. This is likely to be the case again with this car. Also, 3.2 secs to 60 for the Turbo S. Insane!
Edited by myhandle on Monday 23 September 21:59
I might get shot down for this, but it sort of makes sense. After all, the Turbo isn't any longer as exciting as it once was nor is it one of the 'driver's' 911s as it once was. It has become this sort of Super GT that posts ridiculous numbers, can be taken to a track or driven daily if you so please. Maybe this car does work as a topless GT car and why not? The GT3 is still the purist's car (despite lacking a manual) that is suited for track duty. If you've got the cash and enjoy the sun when it's out, a Turbo cab doesn't really make a difference in how pure it is because it isn't anymore from the get go with the 991 (and that's where the GT3 comes in as I've already said). Still an awesome car and I'm sure it is mega fun but it lacks the fizz of the GT3 and that's ok, it doesnt make it any less fun or allow it to stray away from what it is supposed to be. If you want the thrilling Turbo experience, hold out for the GT2!
ESOG said:
jerrytlr said:
I didn't realise how much these things cost now.....utterly bonkers for such a mass produced car, however capable it may be.
Makes the Exige V6 seem like a complete bargain.
The Alfa 4C too.
Both of which have more performance than you can realistically use on the road, and are probably just as engaging to drive, if not more so.
However, neither of them will sell in anything like the numbers the 911 will - bizarre...... all credit to Porsche for milking it to the max though!
Cheers
Jerry
Well said. $155K for a car that has the same overall lack luster appearance; meaning it is not exotic enough on the outside and it certainly isnt and never will be as exclusive as a 458 or a Lambo. It is so much money I dont care how well it performs. Dont get me wrong they are very nice looking cars, but for that kind of money I cant help to think you are paying out the rear for the badge more than anything else. Which is odd because you dont really think of Porsche the same way you would a Ferrari or Lambo which if you had the money you wouldnt mind knowing you are paying a premium for the badge since other cars under 100K like the Exige V6 and the Viper or even a Nissan GTR have the same performance figures. Makes the Exige V6 seem like a complete bargain.
The Alfa 4C too.
Both of which have more performance than you can realistically use on the road, and are probably just as engaging to drive, if not more so.
However, neither of them will sell in anything like the numbers the 911 will - bizarre...... all credit to Porsche for milking it to the max though!
Cheers
Jerry
I would imagine that this one will sell in even fewer numbers than the 997.
PHMatt said:
Am I reading it wrong or is the turbo s coupe 22.5k more than the non s?
What do you get for 22.5k??????
Ceramic brakes 6200What do you get for 22.5k??????
PDCC 2200
centre look alloys 2400
adaptive seats 800
sports chrono 3100
plus a few odds and sods, so 15k of kit
so you are paying 7.5k for 40 more horses, cheaper than adding the X50 powerkit to the old 996 turbo for 30 horses
almost seems reasonable
MycroftWard said:
GranCab said:
Mmmm Grey with Grey ...
... should match the new owners' hair nicely.
If they've got hair, a good number of rag top performance car drivers I see are bald/balding.... should match the new owners' hair nicely.
IMO, the 991 is the first 911 that looks good as a cabriolet. If I had that kind of money, however, I wouldn't be seen near a Porsche dealer; I'd rather have a few nice classic cars and garage to keep them in.
Carl_Docklands said:
ESOG said:
jerrytlr said:
I didn't realise how much these things cost now.....utterly bonkers for such a mass produced car, however capable it may be.
Makes the Exige V6 seem like a complete bargain.
The Alfa 4C too.
Both of which have more performance than you can realistically use on the road, and are probably just as engaging to drive, if not more so.
However, neither of them will sell in anything like the numbers the 911 will - bizarre...... all credit to Porsche for milking it to the max though!
Cheers
Jerry
Well said. $155K for a car that has the same overall lack luster appearance; meaning it is not exotic enough on the outside and it certainly isnt and never will be as exclusive as a 458 or a Lambo. It is so much money I dont care how well it performs. Dont get me wrong they are very nice looking cars, but for that kind of money I cant help to think you are paying out the rear for the badge more than anything else. Which is odd because you dont really think of Porsche the same way you would a Ferrari or Lambo which if you had the money you wouldnt mind knowing you are paying a premium for the badge since other cars under 100K like the Exige V6 and the Viper or even a Nissan GTR have the same performance figures. Makes the Exige V6 seem like a complete bargain.
The Alfa 4C too.
Both of which have more performance than you can realistically use on the road, and are probably just as engaging to drive, if not more so.
However, neither of them will sell in anything like the numbers the 911 will - bizarre...... all credit to Porsche for milking it to the max though!
Cheers
Jerry
I would imagine that this one will sell in even fewer numbers than the 997.
jerrytlr said:
I didn't realise how much these things cost now.....utterly bonkers for such a mass produced car, however capable it may be.
Makes the Exige V6 seem like a complete bargain.
The Alfa 4C too.
Both of which have more performance than you can realistically use on the road, and are probably just as engaging to drive, if not more so.
However, neither of them will sell in anything like the numbers the 911 will - bizarre...... all credit to Porsche for milking it to the max though!
Cheers
Jerry
The thing is, the Turbo S wraps up all of its performance in a comfy cruiser package. Given the choice of a Turbo S, 4C or Exige S to drive to the south of France in, I'd have to pick the Turbo S. If I wanted to drive properly, I'd have a 997 GT3 RS.Makes the Exige V6 seem like a complete bargain.
The Alfa 4C too.
Both of which have more performance than you can realistically use on the road, and are probably just as engaging to drive, if not more so.
However, neither of them will sell in anything like the numbers the 911 will - bizarre...... all credit to Porsche for milking it to the max though!
Cheers
Jerry
Rawwr said:
The thing is, the Turbo S wraps up all of its performance in a comfy cruiser package. Given the choice of a Turbo S, 4C or Exige S to drive to the south of France in, I'd have to pick the Turbo S. If I wanted to drive properly, I'd have a 997 GT3 RS.
Pretty sure by the time you got to the South of France in a GT3 you would wish you were in a Turbo - Maybe not a cab but yes to a Turbo.E38Ross said:
and? is that an issue when it suddenly hits 1700kgs? well, as soon as you put some fuel and a driver in it it'll be over 1700kgs but i'm pretty sure it'll still be very good at what it's for.
It does seem a tad disappointing that a 911T now weighs the same as my 5 series touring family wagon.fjord said:
Am I the only one who genuinely doesnt know the difference between the different porsche models? (Disregarding the obvious like carrera gt and cayenne or panamera).
The Boxster is the cabrio, the Cayman the slightly more driver-focussed hardtop Boxster. Boxster S and Cayman S the more powerful versions.The 918 Spyder is the replacement for the Carrera GT.
So now we are discussing just the 911.
Confusion arises as there are two things going on. One is the model of 911, and the other is model generation.
So 911s of a certain generation (platform generation) are all 911s, but they also have a Porsche codename which enthusiasts also use. The current 911 is called the 991, and in reverse order the generations have been as follows(note the model year overlap as some versions of the previous model remain in production).
991 (2011 - present), 997 (2004 - 2012) , 996 (1997 - 2005), 993 (1993 - 1998) , 964 (1989 - 1994) , and before then cars were all known as 911 but there were again several sub-generations and many models.
When a new 911 is introduced, the performance variants of the previous generation remain on sale for a while. So at the 2011 Frankfurt motorshow, the 991 Carrera was displayed alongside the 997 Turbo S and 997 GT3 RS 4.0. So there is generation overlap.
Now turning to the models. At present, it works like this:
Carrera
Carrera S - more power.
Carrera 4 and 4S - as above but with 4 wheel drive.
Turbo and Turbo S - the high performance road-optimised variants. 4WD and lots of power. More in the S.
Convertible models of all of the above.
Targa 4 and 4S (997 still the newest) - sliding glass roof and 4WD.
GT3 - somewhat track-optimised lighter car.
GT3RS - (997 still the newest)more track optimised version of the above.
GT2 and GT2 RS (997 still the newest) 2WD versions of the Turbo, more track optimised than the Turbo.
There are also limited editions from time to time like the Speedster , Sport Classic , 50th Anniversary , Club Coupe and so on , but these are all based on models in the regular range above.
This is not a complete history of the 911 by any means but hope it helps.
Edited by myhandle on Tuesday 24th September 10:21
I got an email from Porsche yesterday that said:
"....Both models will be on-sale from December and pricing is as follows:
911 (Type 991) Turbo cabriolet £126,766.00 (incl. VAT at 20%)
911 (Type 991) Turbo S cabriolet £149,511.00 (incl. VAT at 20%)....."
Well under £150k for the Turbo S!
"....Both models will be on-sale from December and pricing is as follows:
911 (Type 991) Turbo cabriolet £126,766.00 (incl. VAT at 20%)
911 (Type 991) Turbo S cabriolet £149,511.00 (incl. VAT at 20%)....."
Well under £150k for the Turbo S!
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