RE: PH in LA: Liveblog
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900T-R said:
chrisironside said:
pagani1 said:
The Singer does put the boot in to the new massive 911 as to the optimum size for a sports car and shows the true beauty of the original whereas the new 911 looks like a Pixar version.
I think the 991 is a fantastic looking car that will stand the test of time. In my opinion, the best of the 911 designs since the 993, and one of the best ever.I love the 70s 911s, but cars have changed since then (safety requirements, expectations of speed, mass production requirements etc. etc.) and doubt it's either possible or practical to make the same car nowadays.
Me, I'm rather comfortable with this notion as long as authoritarian tendencies within the powers that be won't be able to break down the current principle for determining roadwortiness that a vehicle only has to conform to the regulations that were in force when it was first built...
AbarthChris said:
Total loss said:
strummerville said:
belleair302 said:
Challenger, sounds great, goes well but the interior is dreadful and the rearward vision is a joke. The blindspot is jumbo jet sized. The original is pure Americana.....
Maybe that's why it crashed into the bulldozers in Vanishing Point I don't want to go off topic here, just wanted to comment on the Lib Dem policy being discussed above.
I'm primarily a cyclist and I like to think, quite environmentally conscious. When I begin statements with those two facts, I'm heard in an entirely different light. Likewise, if my opposition to the Lib Dem policy comes from my desire to own and drive fast cars, it falls on the deaf ears of the people I'm trying to convince.
What I'm saying is, a solid unified voice of opposition to the Lib Dem policy which says 'This is designed to sell more new cars, which will require the manufacture of new cars, which will massively increase the carbon footprint of the cars we drive, and is highly environmentally unsound and has no foundation in research, science, reasoning or good sense. Therefore, as an environmentalist, I must oppose this bill.' will be more powerful than, I love cars and driving fast, etc.
I understand that older 911s are slower than new ones, I get that the reasons we love them are artistic, but that's not something that can be heard by someone from outside of our pistonheads' culture. Before ya'll go nuts, I own an 1980 SC Targa.
I'm primarily a cyclist and I like to think, quite environmentally conscious. When I begin statements with those two facts, I'm heard in an entirely different light. Likewise, if my opposition to the Lib Dem policy comes from my desire to own and drive fast cars, it falls on the deaf ears of the people I'm trying to convince.
What I'm saying is, a solid unified voice of opposition to the Lib Dem policy which says 'This is designed to sell more new cars, which will require the manufacture of new cars, which will massively increase the carbon footprint of the cars we drive, and is highly environmentally unsound and has no foundation in research, science, reasoning or good sense. Therefore, as an environmentalist, I must oppose this bill.' will be more powerful than, I love cars and driving fast, etc.
I understand that older 911s are slower than new ones, I get that the reasons we love them are artistic, but that's not something that can be heard by someone from outside of our pistonheads' culture. Before ya'll go nuts, I own an 1980 SC Targa.
I think you're missing the point, which is not 'your desire to own and drive fast cars' but the notion that any individual's activities somehow should have to conform to the world views of the majority - which has been creeping in from the moment the 'free Western society' didn't have a natural nemesis in the shape of the Eastern Bloc countries anymore, and ultimately means that our lives will be reduce to work, sleep and eat lettuce.
Unfortunately, the authoritarian agenda has become a major part of any political movement - owing to the psychological make up of those who are inclined to pursue a career in politics? - so it's not a matter of voting parties in/out anymore...
Unfortunately, the authoritarian agenda has become a major part of any political movement - owing to the psychological make up of those who are inclined to pursue a career in politics? - so it's not a matter of voting parties in/out anymore...
IrishAsal said:
I don't want to go off topic here, just wanted to comment on the Lib Dem policy being discussed above.
I'm primarily a cyclist and I like to think, quite environmentally conscious. When I begin statements with those two facts, I'm heard in an entirely different light. Likewise, if my opposition to the Lib Dem policy comes from my desire to own and drive fast cars, it falls on the deaf ears of the people I'm trying to convince.
What I'm saying is, a solid unified voice of opposition to the Lib Dem policy which says 'This is designed to sell more new cars, which will require the manufacture of new cars, which will massively increase the carbon footprint of the cars we drive, and is highly environmentally unsound and has no foundation in research, science, reasoning or good sense. Therefore, as an environmentalist, I must oppose this bill.' will be more powerful than, I love cars and driving fast, etc.
I understand that older 911s are slower than new ones, I get that the reasons we love them are artistic, but that's not something that can be heard by someone from outside of our pistonheads' culture. Before ya'll go nuts, I own an 1980 SC Targa.
I'm primarily a cyclist and I like to think, quite environmentally conscious. When I begin statements with those two facts, I'm heard in an entirely different light. Likewise, if my opposition to the Lib Dem policy comes from my desire to own and drive fast cars, it falls on the deaf ears of the people I'm trying to convince.
What I'm saying is, a solid unified voice of opposition to the Lib Dem policy which says 'This is designed to sell more new cars, which will require the manufacture of new cars, which will massively increase the carbon footprint of the cars we drive, and is highly environmentally unsound and has no foundation in research, science, reasoning or good sense. Therefore, as an environmentalist, I must oppose this bill.' will be more powerful than, I love cars and driving fast, etc.
I understand that older 911s are slower than new ones, I get that the reasons we love them are artistic, but that's not something that can be heard by someone from outside of our pistonheads' culture. Before ya'll go nuts, I own an 1980 SC Targa.
chrisironside said:
I think the 991 is a fantastic looking car that will stand the test of time. In my opinion, the best of the 911 designs since the 993, and one of the best ever.
I love the 70s 911s, but cars have changed since then (safety requirements, expectations of speed, mass production requirements etc. etc.) and doubt it's either possible or practical to make the same car nowadays.
Very well said.I love the 70s 911s, but cars have changed since then (safety requirements, expectations of speed, mass production requirements etc. etc.) and doubt it's either possible or practical to make the same car nowadays.
Total loss said:
AbarthChris said:
Total loss said:
strummerville said:
belleair302 said:
Challenger, sounds great, goes well but the interior is dreadful and the rearward vision is a joke. The blindspot is jumbo jet sized. The original is pure Americana.....
Maybe that's why it crashed into the bulldozers in Vanishing Point http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanishing_Point_%2819...
Zumbruk said:
Total loss said:
AbarthChris said:
Total loss said:
strummerville said:
belleair302 said:
Challenger, sounds great, goes well but the interior is dreadful and the rearward vision is a joke. The blindspot is jumbo jet sized. The original is pure Americana.....
Maybe that's why it crashed into the bulldozers in Vanishing Point http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanishing_Point_%2819...
Just goes to show that the standard Clarkson-cliche of "they haven't changed!" is ridiculous. IMO, the 991 is one of the best looking modern 911s, miles ahead of the 996 and 997 (but nowhere near the sublime 993), but I never really realized just how huge they've gotten. The difference in height of the rear bumpers really drives home the fact that modern cars just can't look as good as the old ones (ever more-stringent safety regulations at work).
Anyway, glad you made it to a Cars and Coffee event. It's a phenomena that's spread across the continent, and I'm a regular attendee at Washington D.C.'s version. California gets all the media attention and glory, but our Nation's Capital has a thriving car culture to easily rival that of California, spurred by the massive wealth of the surrounding area and presence of several notable collectors such as J. Willard "Bill" Marriott, Jr., owner of of Marriott hotels (who owns a genuine, original 427 Cobra, a real GT40, and a 250 Testarossa, also genuine, of course, among a bevy of other rare vintage Ferraris) and Lammot duPont, of the famous chemical dynasty (who has a number of Pebble Beach trophies to his name and too many significant cars to list here).
You can check out some of my photos here (almost exclusively pics from "our" Cars and Coffee): http://www.flickr.com/photos/35956455@N07/
@Bobberz - to your point, the size difference of the 991 compared with anything through the 993 is vast, and while the 991 is attractive, it has lost a sense of the svelteness of older 911s, not to mention that the tubbiness of the newer cars takes away some of the car's ability to really carve the canyons. It's a lot of car on a squirrelly road made bearable only because thanks to modern damping. Do you suppose the ever-increasing girth of the 911 is to draw more of a distinction from the Cayman/Boxter?
On a side note: I'm also a regular at the Great Falls C&C - what are you driving?
-Reed
On a side note: I'm also a regular at the Great Falls C&C - what are you driving?
-Reed
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