E36 M3 vs Renault 5
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Podie said:
832ark said:
...how can I prove this?
Trackday.His choice of twisty circuit.
Or somewhere like this - http://www.curborough.co.uk/about.htm
Edited by chrisw666 on Thursday 28th November 15:49
This thread should be part of the 'you nostalgia, you lose' thread - I'm sure I had this conversation with my mates nearly 20 years ago, and just like this one, whenever someone half-way sensible tried to point out that unless the 'course' was so tight that the BMW driver had to make the corners as 3-point-turns it would disappear over the hill never to be seen again, someone else would always refer to a 'mate' who managed to squeeze 200bhp from an 8v push-rod 1.4 - once, for about a quarter of a second before something blew off it thus proving the R5 to be quicker - fact.
All I remember from my boy racer days was they could be really quick on the odd occasion, but really tight twisty stuff left them either constantly off-boast and being left for dead by Golfs, 205's and Escorts, or on-boast and furiously understeering.
All I remember from my boy racer days was they could be really quick on the odd occasion, but really tight twisty stuff left them either constantly off-boast and being left for dead by Golfs, 205's and Escorts, or on-boast and furiously understeering.
The Renault Turbo 2 is mid engined RWD. The Renault 5 GT Turbo is front engined FWD. Admittedly they share a similar overall look for a non petrol head.
Personally I think either Renault would be faster than an M3 on a TIGHT TWISTY track / country road. Far cooler as well
Yes an M3 is faster on the motorway and large open faster tracks.
Personally I think either Renault would be faster than an M3 on a TIGHT TWISTY track / country road. Far cooler as well
Yes an M3 is faster on the motorway and large open faster tracks.
TEKNOPUG said:
You do know that it has gears?
And therefore has over 250bhp available from just 25mph?
Yes I'm fully aware that it has gears. Let me rephrase - on a low speed very twist section the M3 will be less able to use it's power advantage - I think you know exactly what I meant.And therefore has over 250bhp available from just 25mph?
chrisw666 said:
A timed sprint at an airfield would be best.
Or somewhere like this - http://www.curborough.co.uk/about.htm
Yes - I was looking for videos etc but because they were about at different times and are very different cars there aren't and direct comparisons that I can find.Or somewhere like this - http://www.curborough.co.uk/about.htm
Edited by chrisw666 on Thursday 28th November 15:49
As previously mentioned, R5 would drop off boost in the twisties and in standard form you wouldnt dare go near the throttle until everything was pointing in a straight line again.
In contrast the beamer would be able to power through corners and get the power in much earlier.
The modified R5 GT Turbo that I owned had revised geometry that dialled out most of the torque steer and improved the handling so it would probably give it a good go but ultimately the turbo lag / boost issue would really kill it in proper twisties where you wouldnt be able to carry the speed.
In contrast the beamer would be able to power through corners and get the power in much earlier.
The modified R5 GT Turbo that I owned had revised geometry that dialled out most of the torque steer and improved the handling so it would probably give it a good go but ultimately the turbo lag / boost issue would really kill it in proper twisties where you wouldnt be able to carry the speed.
k-ink said:
The Renault Turbo 2 is mid engined RWD. The Renault 5 GT Turbo is front engined FWD. Admittedly they share a similar overall look for a non petrol head.
Personally I think either Renault would be faster than an M3 on a TIGHT TWISTY track / country road. Far cooler as well
Yes an M3 is faster on the motorway and large open faster tracks.
No chance at all with the GT, get real.Personally I think either Renault would be faster than an M3 on a TIGHT TWISTY track / country road. Far cooler as well
Yes an M3 is faster on the motorway and large open faster tracks.
I saw a Dimma kitted R5 GT Turbo on the road earlier this week. That was a blast from the past.
Your pal is talking out of his arse. Given the same driver and the same tyres the M3 will be quicker, in exactly the same way that a TVR would be quicker down a country lane than a Smart Roadster.
Your pal is talking out of his arse. Given the same driver and the same tyres the M3 will be quicker, in exactly the same way that a TVR would be quicker down a country lane than a Smart Roadster.
t that I have ever had the misfortune to own, and I've got a TVR.832ark said:
Yes I'm fully aware that it has gears. Let me rephrase - on a low speed very twist section the M3 will be less able to use it's power advantage - I think you know exactly what I meant.
The point is that it has a greater power and torque to weight at any given road speed. So it's irrelevant whether it's a short twisty or long straight stretch of road. It will always accelerate faster if in the right gear, on any similar section of road. It also has no lag.ukzz4iroc said:
k-ink said:
The Renault Turbo 2 is mid engined RWD. The Renault 5 GT Turbo is front engined FWD. Admittedly they share a similar overall look for a non petrol head.
Personally I think either Renault would be faster than an M3 on a TIGHT TWISTY track / country road. Far cooler as well
Yes an M3 is faster on the motorway and large open faster tracks.
No chance at all with the GT, get real.Personally I think either Renault would be faster than an M3 on a TIGHT TWISTY track / country road. Far cooler as well
Yes an M3 is faster on the motorway and large open faster tracks.
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