RE: Golf R Evo on the way
Discussion
I know it's inevitable, but I still think it's a sad fact that all they do these days to make an 'extra special version' is just tweak the engine a bit and the rest of the drivetrain remains the same.
Surely for all your extra money, you are not getting any more than a decent aftermarket tuner could offer for a fraction of the price.
Surely for all your extra money, you are not getting any more than a decent aftermarket tuner could offer for a fraction of the price.
chunoo said:
I know it's inevitable, but I still think it's a sad fact that all they do these days to make an 'extra special version' is just tweak the engine a bit and the rest of the drivetrain remains the same.
Surely for all your extra money, you are not getting any more than a decent aftermarket tuner could offer for a fraction of the price.
but you keep your warranty Surely for all your extra money, you are not getting any more than a decent aftermarket tuner could offer for a fraction of the price.
PorkRind said:
Viscous coupling again isnt it?
Whats the problem with the torsen diff 4wd systems, eh, eh???
Better question: what is the real difference in corners? The Torsens are either 50/50 or 60/40 and they shuffle power on slip, essentially the same way a modern, predictive Haldex works on the road. The torque vectoring diff. on the fully mech. systems does make things more engaging, but it is optional.Whats the problem with the torsen diff 4wd systems, eh, eh???
You know, I like the idea of something that looks a bit dull, but isn't.
Spec it in a sombre colour, don't stick too many scoops and spoilers on it, avoid flashily coloured brake calipers... and you can keep off the radar of idiots and (if VW do their homework) drive something fun with lots of poke.
I wouldn't have the cash for one but if I did, I would find the idea intriguing.
Spec it in a sombre colour, don't stick too many scoops and spoilers on it, avoid flashily coloured brake calipers... and you can keep off the radar of idiots and (if VW do their homework) drive something fun with lots of poke.
I wouldn't have the cash for one but if I did, I would find the idea intriguing.
scherzkeks said:
PorkRind said:
Viscous coupling again isnt it?
Whats the problem with the torsen diff 4wd systems, eh, eh???
Better question: what is the real difference in corners? The Torsens are either 50/50 or 60/40 and they shuffle power on slip, essentially the same way a modern, predictive Haldex works on the road. The torque vectoring diff. on the fully mech. systems does make things more engaging, but it is optional.Whats the problem with the torsen diff 4wd systems, eh, eh???
the RS6 may have a sorted 4WD system but its harder to tell since it will spin all 4 wheels in third in the wet, but that's a mountain of torque for you
Dave Hedgehog said:
nearly all my cars have been 4wd and over the last 18 months i have driven 12+ different quattro audi's (incl the new RS6) and the only one that felt noticeably better in the corners than a modern haldex setup was the B8 RS4 which had the 4WD sports option ticked. Infact I would say apart from the R8 and the RS4 they where all far more prone to individual wheel slip and under steer on corners (the A6 biturbo diesel quattro was terrible for it)
the RS6 may have a sorted 4WD system but its harder to tell since it will spin all 4 wheels in third in the wet, but that's a mountain of torque for you
Thats just bonkers the RS6 may have a sorted 4WD system but its harder to tell since it will spin all 4 wheels in third in the wet, but that's a mountain of torque for you
.scherzkeks said:
Better question: what is the real difference in corners? The Torsens are either 50/50 or 60/40 and they shuffle power on slip, essentially the same way a modern, predictive Haldex works on the road. The torque vectoring diff. on the fully mech. systems does make things more engaging, but it is optional.
The ability to do proper power oversteer..PorkRind said:
scherzkeks said:
Better question: what is the real difference in corners? The Torsens are either 50/50 or 60/40 and they shuffle power on slip, essentially the same way a modern, predictive Haldex works on the road. The torque vectoring diff. on the fully mech. systems does make things more engaging, but it is optional.
The ability to do proper power oversteer..and is that not what BMW M and Merc AMGs are for if they do ?
andrewparker said:
AFC1886 said:
So, so dull....
Always got to be a knob head hasn't there...Sounds super to me, just get rid of those quad exhausts.
Dave Hedgehog said:
how many people spending 40K+ on a new car want to power oversteer on a public road?
and is that not what BMW M and Merc AMGs are for if they do ?
I just hark back to the rally glory days, thats all ! I know the markets not driven by drivers but by how it looks safety etc, tis a shame though because i'm sure 90% of the people on here would prefer the rear lead 4wd system rather than a under steering one..and is that not what BMW M and Merc AMGs are for if they do ?
PorkRind said:
The ability to do proper power oversteer..
Two points:1. The car has to be manhandled to achieve it; it's not something it does readily or is really designed to do.
2. Explain what advantage this is going to give you when driving "properly" and applying classic performance driving technique. Sliding in such a manner certainly isn't going to aid your lap times, and to be fast you will still to drive in the slow-in, fast out manner applicable to any AWD platform that distributes power fairly evenly.
The R should (as with all VAG performance Haldex platforms to date) allow you to use a trailing throttle to tuck the nose and have the back step out to aid rotation.
Edited by scherzkeks on Friday 24th January 13:53
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