shall i get some rusty arches repaired or not?

shall i get some rusty arches repaired or not?

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swisstoni

17,348 posts

281 months

Saturday 9th January 2016
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Sell it and start again before it looks worse.
A cosmetic repair wont last and a 'proper' repair is not worth doing

danlightbulb

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1,033 posts

108 months

Saturday 9th January 2016
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swisstoni said:
Sell it and start again before it looks worse.
A cosmetic repair wont last and a 'proper' repair is not worth doing
I think if I tried to sell it now with the rust I'd lose too much on it in the short space of time I've had it. Plus I really like the car.

CX53

2,975 posts

112 months

Saturday 9th January 2016
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If it's the OP's daily car and keeping for a long time then it doesn't matter if it's worth it or not in money terms. It might be old, but that thing will probably go on forever and they still look pretty presentable. No harm in pricing up a decent proper fix... Try not to think about getting the money back, or chucking the money away, if you like the car, have it done, keep it and enjoy it.

Failing that, keep until it's a real problem or chop it in for something else.

swisstoni

17,348 posts

281 months

Saturday 9th January 2016
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You are going to lose money either way.
If you really like it that much, get a proper fix done. Yes it's expensive but you can forget about it afterwards.
Any other way and it will keep coming back.

danlightbulb

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1,033 posts

108 months

Saturday 9th January 2016
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A proper fix (i.e brand new panels) is out of the question, it would cost thousands.

I believe from what you guys have said that a quick fix is not worth the money either as it will last months at best.

What I don't know is whether there is an intermediate option?


Being sensible I should probably spend the minimum possible, as something could break on the car tomorrow and I'd have thrown money away on it.

Kind of torn between the desire to have it done and the reluctance to invest in an already 12 year old car. Ideally though, I'd still like to stop it getting any worse if possible, even if I can't cheaply make it perfect again.

vanordinaire

3,701 posts

164 months

Saturday 9th January 2016
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I've moved on from this type of thing, but 'back in the day' I'd have rubbed that back to bare metal then used a fibreglass repair kit to patch it from the inside, then filled, sanded, and spray can painted the outside.

Lester H

2,784 posts

107 months

Saturday 9th January 2016
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My son had similar dilemma with Fiesta Zetec s. Great little thing but like Puma, soundproofing applied to outside of wheel arch. To the point I went to small independent body shop - cash, no paperwork, and they made it look mint. However, rust returns in about 15 months. If you like the car, do it, tell 'em you know it's cosmetic and not a permanent cure, none are! so they need to price accordingly.








Edited by Lester H on Saturday 9th January 23:48

renegade666

8 posts

101 months

Saturday 9th January 2016
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yes your get about a year or more from a decent job

proper job is bad metal need cutting out and new metal welding in if you got a mig welder and half a brain and a bit of skill you can save a bundle by doing the repair and prep work and popping it into body shop for paint

battered

4,088 posts

149 months

Saturday 9th January 2016
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danlightbulb said:
I believe from what you guys have said that a quick fix is not worth the money either as it will last months at best.
Largely true, unless you get good at body repair and put some effort in.

[quote]What I don't know is whether there is an intermediate option?
Sure. Get good at DIY. Dig out the rot. All of it. Hang it together with P45 and mesh, fill any big voids with Universal Bodgit Foam. Build up the top surface with P38, sand it all flat, paint it up. This last is the hardest bit, esp metallic.

[quote]Being sensible I should probably spend the minimum possible, as something could break on the car tomorrow and I'd have thrown money away on it.
Yup.

[quote]Kind of torn between the desire to have it done and the reluctance to invest in an already 12 year old car. Ideally though, I'd still like to stop it getting any worse if possible, even if I can't cheaply make it perfect again.
Then slather the whole bloody lot in Waxoyl, inside and out, and put some stickon eyebrows over it. It's going to look a bit shonky? Yeah, but if this is important to you then don't buy a car with frilly arches.

Now choose.

supersarbs

61 posts

155 months

Saturday 9th January 2016
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Grind back, treat the rust, rebuild with fibreglass mat, filler and paint.

Did the same on my s2000 3 years ago. Buyer only recent needed a further fix.

danlightbulb

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1,033 posts

108 months

Sunday 10th January 2016
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supersarbs said:
Grind back, treat the rust, rebuild with fibreglass mat, filler and paint.

Did the same on my s2000 3 years ago. Buyer only recent needed a further fix.
Did you keep any photos during the work?

battered

4,088 posts

149 months

Sunday 10th January 2016
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Lester H said:
However, rust returns in about 15 months. If you like the car, do it, tell 'em you know it's cosmetic and not a permanent cure, none are!
They can be. If you grind it all back to shiny metal and make good, it's permanent. However this takes time and effort, and considerable patience. I've done it, but it's a ball-ache. By the time you have finished you can cut out the rot and make and MIG in a repair panel.

I once made a cardboard, P45 and body schutz repair to an inner arch that lasted 3 years. It was far from elegant but it kept the rain out.








Edited by Lester H on Saturday 9th January 23:48

billshoreham

358 posts

127 months

Sunday 10th January 2016
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I have had a few accords of this vintage (civics too)
I knew that the rule was , any corrosion on the wheel arches - walk away. Like you, I did not
Because of the shape of the w/arch and the fact that the rear qtr panels are not an option at this age.
I chose to ignore the DIY/filler bodge because it always looks rubbish.
got a body shop to remove all compromised metal and replace, then shape the w/archs.
Looks very passable and normally lasts 3-4 years before it returns.
£500 inc paint for both sides.

Lawbags

1,052 posts

130 months

Sunday 10th January 2016
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Don't leave it. It will soon rust out the bumper mounts.
I'm guessing the people saying to leave it don't realise how fast Hondas rust.

steveo3002

10,568 posts

176 months

Sunday 10th January 2016
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did you see the chrome stick on arches linked in the other thread , while not ideal it would hide the mess and make sure theres no sharp edges when it gets worse

not great but an affordable way to make it go away

i think unless youve done alot of diy repairs it would stand out like a sore thumb with a rattle can paint job , and a bodyshop repair worth having will cost too much , dont pay a body shop to fibre glass it

TheJimi

25,144 posts

245 months

Sunday 10th January 2016
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Been there, done that and bought various t-shirts.

Chasing rusty arches is a massive pain. My advice would be to leave it, it's really not worth it IMO.

Next time, walk away from anything even slightly rusty.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

128 months

Sunday 10th January 2016
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Bear in mind that rear arches ARE structural...

If they're badly rotted within 30cm of rear belt mounts or suspension mounts, that's a fail. Never mind sharp edges...

Shoving some podge in there is a horrific bodge. It won't slow the rot down, and it certainly won't add any strength.

I'm no great lover of S2ks, but... <whimper>

Roger Irrelevant

3,001 posts

115 months

Sunday 10th January 2016
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If it will last a few years until its an MOT fail (which seems to be the consensus here), then I'd leave it until then and then make my mind up what to do. Worst case is you scrap it and have paid £1300 (purchase price less scrap value), to run around in a big, comfy, reasonably quick, reasonably well specced, otherwise reliable (hopefully!) estate for a couple of years, which ain't bad IMO. If it then costs the best part of a grand to fix it such that it would last a couple more years, then if you like the car, it's proved reliable, and you couldn't get anything better for the cost of the repair then get it fixed. If you're buying at this end of the market then I think you have to accept that you will have to spend a bit on repairs now and again, and I think it's generally better to do that and stick with a car you know is basically sound than gamble on another cheap car which could be a dog.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

248 months

Sunday 10th January 2016
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On a 2003 all I would do with that is,

  • Remove loose flakes and scrape off surface rust with an old screwdriveras neatly as you can.
  • Paint with Hammerite of the closest colour you can find in your local Halfords/DIY store.
  • If necessary, cover with car paint of correct colour (but you need to leave the Hammerite for a month before you over-paint. There can otherwise be a reaction between the two types of paint)

steveo3002

10,568 posts

176 months

Sunday 10th January 2016
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Ozzie Osmond said:
On a 2003 all I would do with that is,

  • Remove loose flakes and scrape off surface rust with an old screwdriveras neatly as you can.
aint loose rust flakes though is it ...will be full of holes if he pokes at it