Sticking to speed limit - local council have won.
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cj2013 said:
mybrainhurts said:
Just out to get visitors passing through, then?
How very friendly...
If you're not familiar with a road that is clearly marked, and you're speeding, then that is probably a good target audience surely? Especially if it is in a BUAHow very friendly...
Edit....unless it's in a BUA, of course. I assume you mean built up area?
mybrainhurts said:
cj2013 said:
Just out to get visitors passing through, then? How very friendly...
26/3/17 Shipton - caught 96 in 90 minutes
9/3/17 Hambleton - 32 in 24 minutes
28/1/17 A19 Thirsk - 82 in 93 minutes including 3 over the SAC/FPN limit
13/4/17 A19 Thirsk - 89 in 90 minutes
13/2/17 A168 Asenby - 75 in 70 minutes
On the other hand, there were 640 in 2017 so far that caught no-one at all.
Edit: just looked at the 2016 sheet
20/8/16 A1427 Scarborough - 164 in 45 minutes!!
5/9/16 A168 Asenby - 142 in 70 minutes
7/2/16 A168 Asenby - 76 in 30 minutes
Edited by sim72 on Monday 24th April 00:36
There's a popular spot for mobile camera vans near me. The road goes from 50 to 70 just after a hill, so logic dictates people use the hill to gain some momentum. Obviously, at the bottom of the hill and just round a slight bend, a camera van is often placed there.
Apparently the camera was originally placed there due to NIMBYs being concerned that people doing 70 past their house would be too noisy. As a result, I keep my car in 3rd all the way down the hill. It makes a racket but at least I'm sticking to 50, which is obviously the point of the camera van. Otherwise I'd just let my speed creep up to the impending 70 and cruise past in a low gear.
Apparently the camera was originally placed there due to NIMBYs being concerned that people doing 70 past their house would be too noisy. As a result, I keep my car in 3rd all the way down the hill. It makes a racket but at least I'm sticking to 50, which is obviously the point of the camera van. Otherwise I'd just let my speed creep up to the impending 70 and cruise past in a low gear.
stub101 said:
I have to admit that I am getting really annoyed by North Yorkshire's approach to speed cameras over the last few years.
They are concentrated on the A64 near York where they take in £££££ from many people doing 75-85mph. This is not a dangerous dual carriageway, but apparently there is no longer a need for them to justify camera locations based on accident rates any more!?!?!?
Then there are no cameras whatsoever in the villages and near the schools where numerous careless drivers are often doing 35-40mph without realising it.
I know the limit is the limit, but to me it is clear that their efforts are solely revenue generating and not for the prevention of accidents or any such like.
I also read that after a recent FOI request NYP were unable to provide stats on how effective the cameras are at reducing speed. (Un)amazingly they only measure the number of offenders and not the effectiveness of their campaign... shocking really and just typical of the short-sighted public sector mentality.
Wait.. You actually believed that speed enforcement was about safety and not revenue? They are concentrated on the A64 near York where they take in £££££ from many people doing 75-85mph. This is not a dangerous dual carriageway, but apparently there is no longer a need for them to justify camera locations based on accident rates any more!?!?!?
Then there are no cameras whatsoever in the villages and near the schools where numerous careless drivers are often doing 35-40mph without realising it.
I know the limit is the limit, but to me it is clear that their efforts are solely revenue generating and not for the prevention of accidents or any such like.
I also read that after a recent FOI request NYP were unable to provide stats on how effective the cameras are at reducing speed. (Un)amazingly they only measure the number of offenders and not the effectiveness of their campaign... shocking really and just typical of the short-sighted public sector mentality.
It's a cleverly thought out plan , 30 people in a classroom getting b
ked at £3000 a day per town = £££££ nationally.
More and more A roads are becoming 50mph, dual carriageways 60, it won't be long before managed motorways limit the motorways , near me every housing estate has a 20 sign but bizarrely the local primary school entrance is next to a blind bend and it's still 30 past it
ked at £3000 a day per town = £££££ nationally.More and more A roads are becoming 50mph, dual carriageways 60, it won't be long before managed motorways limit the motorways , near me every housing estate has a 20 sign but bizarrely the local primary school entrance is next to a blind bend and it's still 30 past it
Use Waze to alert you to mobile units, and report them when you see them. Reporting them and getting thanks from other users is immensely satisfying.
I'm well overdue getting nicked, haven't been caught for 17 years. I do think that as long as you don't drive like a complete tool, are very observant and use things like Waze, the chances of getting a ticket are very low indeed. Of course, having written that means I will get nicked this week....
I'm well overdue getting nicked, haven't been caught for 17 years. I do think that as long as you don't drive like a complete tool, are very observant and use things like Waze, the chances of getting a ticket are very low indeed. Of course, having written that means I will get nicked this week....
I've been caught twice in my 12 years of driving, both in North Yorks my a moile van. Both times a few yards into a 40 limit out of a NSL, slowing down but still in the high 40s. The second time (a couple of months ago) I saw the van, checked my speedo and I was doing 40mph, so it must have clocked me just as I entered the 40mph limit.
However, some pople do need to be educated. I was shocked at the knowledge at the SAC - of the 8 people on my table, I was the only one who knew the NSL for cars on single carriageway, dual carriageway and a motorway.
However, some pople do need to be educated. I was shocked at the knowledge at the SAC - of the 8 people on my table, I was the only one who knew the NSL for cars on single carriageway, dual carriageway and a motorway.
sim72 said:
It might be an unfair place to be, but it's totally logical for a system that doesn't care about safety, only revenue generation. There's a location near us where the NSL goes to 30 on a sharp bend and well before the village it's protecting actually starts. Guess what's often sitting in the lay-by just round the corner?
Yep - we often have police parked up at the end of our lane just after a 40mph goes into a 30mph. This road used to be 60mph to a 40mph until a couple of years ago, when speed limits in the area were reduced wholesale despite there being very few accidents and despite the 40mph being deemed appropriate by the county council (apparently it was the village council that pushed the 30mph limit through - and the regular police speed trap was quick to follow.).
We have 3 primary schools in our vicinity, one in each of the villages leading up to and away from ours - and in 8 years living here, I have never seen a police speed trap leading up to or outside any of them.
I stick to any limit with a red ring around it as rigidly as I can, certainly any 30 or 40 zones as they are prime location for speed enforcement. We have recently had a small stretch of NSL single carriageway reduced to 40 as there is a slight kink in the road. I guess many people couldn't handle this and so they reduced the limit. They also rigidly enforce this, catching motorists accelerating just before the NSL resumes.
Mike335i said:
I stick to any limit with a red ring around it as rigidly as I can, certainly any 30 or 40 zones as they are prime location for speed enforcement. We have recently had a small stretch of NSL single carriageway reduced to 40 as there is a slight kink in the road. I guess many people couldn't handle this and so they reduced the limit. They also rigidly enforce this, catching motorists accelerating just before the NSL resumes.
More likely is that some jobsworth council fkwit has decided on everyone's behalf that people cannot handle it - despite there being no evidence of this.Happened in a village near me.
Parish council asked for the limit to be reduced. County council did an assessment and decided that existing limit was appropriate. Parish council wen't ahead and reduced the limit regardless (this is what I was told by my local MP when I requested information/data that justified the reduction and also data that demonstrated that it had been effective in increasing safety).
The justification the parish council gave for the reduction (these are direct quotes from a 'parish councillor who did not wish to be named')
"Although there hasn’t been any serious accidents I can think of, there have been plenty of near misses"
"The parish council very much welcome these changes and I can’t think of anyone who would not"
sim72 said:
It might be an unfair place to be, but it's totally logical for a system that doesn't care about safety, only revenue generation. There's a location near us where the NSL goes to 30 on a sharp bend and well before the village it's protecting actually starts. Guess what's often sitting in the lay-by just round the corner?
Woman at work was done accelerating from 30 to 60 for a NSL stretch coming out of a village. She was about 15 metres from the NSL sign and was done.I'm in North Yorks too and I've never had any problem with mobile speed cameras. No more than an indicated 80 on dual carriageways, stick to red circle limits and you'll be fine (and I go along the A168 Asenby and A64 'hot spots' quite a bit). Most of the other roads I go along are great to drive at legal speeds and/or so quiet the police are very unlikely to bother setting up there. If you can't enjoy driving in N Yorks then it's just as well you've got another hobby!
Our county only has one active fixed speed camera. The rest have not been taken down but are turned off and mostly covered in grime and moss.
The sites for the mobile camera vans are all on safe wide roads with good visibility, where people would naturally select a speed above 30mph if driving to the conditions and hazards.
We have loads of issues with people speeding past my kids school, using it as a rat run to work. Despite the school frequently asking they have never managed to get plod or a scamera van to police the 20/30mph limit (it's a temporary 20mph during school pickup/dropoff times).
The school also has loads of issues with idiot parents parking all over the place, including on zig zags. The response has been to send PCSOs who just tell people not to do it. I asked them why they weren't handing out tickets, as surely that would stop it happening.... they said it's better to educate them :-) Yeah, really effective.
The local mobile sites have all just had fixed signs put up to warn of the mobile scamera sites. And every sign is only about 20m before the place they park the van, so hardly fair warning of a camera site nor any attempt to slow people down in the area they are targeting.
The sites for the mobile camera vans are all on safe wide roads with good visibility, where people would naturally select a speed above 30mph if driving to the conditions and hazards.
We have loads of issues with people speeding past my kids school, using it as a rat run to work. Despite the school frequently asking they have never managed to get plod or a scamera van to police the 20/30mph limit (it's a temporary 20mph during school pickup/dropoff times).
The school also has loads of issues with idiot parents parking all over the place, including on zig zags. The response has been to send PCSOs who just tell people not to do it. I asked them why they weren't handing out tickets, as surely that would stop it happening.... they said it's better to educate them :-) Yeah, really effective.
The local mobile sites have all just had fixed signs put up to warn of the mobile scamera sites. And every sign is only about 20m before the place they park the van, so hardly fair warning of a camera site nor any attempt to slow people down in the area they are targeting.
Jonno02 said:
sim72 said:
It might be an unfair place to be, but it's totally logical for a system that doesn't care about safety, only revenue generation. There's a location near us where the NSL goes to 30 on a sharp bend and well before the village it's protecting actually starts. Guess what's often sitting in the lay-by just round the corner?
Woman at work was done accelerating from 30 to 60 for a NSL stretch coming out of a village. She was about 15 metres from the NSL sign and was done.Of course in the "old days" it was a 40mph limit and drivers were expected to identify hazards and slow down (we are taught hazard perception after all!). Now it seems that if someone isn't speeding and has an accident it is the council's fault.
Similarly a motorist who went off on a bend on a B road in soaking wet conditions across oncoming traffic who "wasn't speeding" was reported in our local paper as being an "Innocent victim" of the road with calls for the limit to be reduced. They even had a picture of her looking sad by her car in the field whilst the journalist pinned the blame on the council. So another nice B road gets a blanket limit. God knows what will happen if we ever get any snow here...
spookly said:
The sites for the mobile camera vans are all on safe wide roads with good visibility, where people would naturally select a speed above 30mph if driving to the conditions and hazards.
That's just the thing though - the governments own white paper on setting speed limits suggests that if lots of people are speeding on such a road - the limit may well be inappropriate and consideration should be given to raising it. Speed limits (it says) should "seek to reinforce people's assessment of what is a safe speed to travel" and should "encourage self-compliance"
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
Has anyone actually seen this happen - it must be a rarity.
Tony33 said:
Similarly a motorist who went off on a bend on a B road in soaking wet conditions across oncoming traffic who "wasn't speeding" was reported in our local paper as being an "Innocent victim" of the road with calls for the limit to be reduced.
Some drivers see a limit and think that if they are below it they are "driving safely". If they go off, despite being below the current limit - it must be the limit that is at fault and thus will need reducing.
Pretty much explains why there have been blanket reductions in recent times. Rather than educate stupid drivers to adapt their driving to the conditions - the powers that be instead pander to the lowest common demonstrator and set stupidly low speed limits instead.
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