RE: Aston Martin DB11 V8!

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subirg said:

It's still a munter...

Lets hope its a bit ahead of its time and will look great down the line.

[ZX10R NIN]

As said earlier for the same reason that people buy a V8 Continental instead of the W12

[LewisR]

NickGibbs said:

MrScrot said:

Putting an AMG in an Aston Martin does not feel right to me. If you buy an Aston you want it's British heritage.This engine drop nullifies that. I'm sure there are enough engineers in Britain that could produce a competitive, green engine, but marketing and business swines unfortunately stick red tape all over that.

The current Aston V8 and V12 are made in a Ford factory in Germany...

The current 'Aston' V8 started life as a Jaguar V8 (AJ26) design and was then altered in design specifically for AML by Jaguar (It was AJ37, I think) going to 4.3L. Not sure who did the 3.7L update but it certainly was using the 4.3L architecture.

The V12 engine was designed by Ford and was two Ford Duratec V6s joined end on in design.

The last true Aston engine was 612bhp engine in the Aston Vantage Le Mans back in 2000.

[Onehp]

Like the colour match, much better and the wheels also are an improvement.
If it sounds right and handles much better than the v12 (how much lighter on the front axle?), perhaps there is a reason to exist besides the V12. It is like that in the Vantage and there the V8 is much more down on power...

[J4CKO]

Zod said:

Positioning is not wildly different from that of the 8 and 12 cylinder Bentley Continentals.

Indeed and reviews for the Continental V8 have been favorable, if anything the consensus is it is preferable in a lot of ways and the 12 is overkill that doesnt really add that much.

I suspect a lot will go for the V12 but its not like the V8 is anemic with over 500 bhp, they are all degrees of total overkill, its not like getting a 1.3 Capri instead of the 3 litre is it.

If there was a 16 cylinder am sure some would say the 12 wasnt enough, the presences of the bigger engine always seems to skew perception of any other option, are those opinions from actual owners of metal like this or ambitious Golf diesel owners ? its the real world not Forza on the Xbox, my car has just shy of 400 bhp from a V8 and is faster than I could ever reasonably need, this has another 100 plus bhp, how bloody fast do you need to go

[GranCab]

MrScrot said:

Putting an AMG in an Aston Martin does not feel right to me. If you buy an Aston you want it's British heritage.This engine drop nullifies that. I'm sure there are enough engineers in Britain that could produce a competitive, green engine, but marketing and business swines unfortunately stick red tape all over that.

British heritage that includes : Volvo Keys, Volvo Sat-Nav, Audi 200 Headlamps, Mazda 323 Tail Lamps, Citroen CX Mirrors, Mazda 323 Door Handles .....

[SirSquidalot]

Seems like a great idea, and the weight saving should make it a hell of a lot more nimble. That enginebay however looks horrid, looks like a 90s kia!

[MrScrot]

GranCab said:

MrScrot said:

Putting an AMG in an Aston Martin does not feel right to me. If you buy an Aston you want it's British heritage.This engine drop nullifies that. I'm sure there are enough engineers in Britain that could produce a competitive, green engine, but marketing and business swines unfortunately stick red tape all over that.

British heritage that includes : Volvo Keys, Volvo Sat-Nav, Audi 200 Headlamps, Mazda 323 Tail Lamps, Citroen CX Mirrors, Mazda 323 Door Handles .....

Please ignore my ignorance! I just find it a shame that the UK doesn't really make much anymore, which your message highlights somewhat.

[rodericb]

It's all well and good but it would have been nice if they changed the firing order to alter the engine note to make it Astons own. Intake and ehaust mods will only get it so far. That MB V8 megawoofle is a bit of a trademark sound and seems a bit of an odd sound in something the shape of the Aston...

Other than that, 100 odd kilos lighter, center of mass moved back, similar torque. There's a lot to like about it.

[stub101]

I appreciate this article is all about the powerplant, but I really cannot get past the fact that the interior in the DB11 looks horrendous and reminds me of something that a US carmaker would deliver.

The ancient DB9 and V8V interiors looked and still look more elegant and classier than this low-rent effort.

Not worth anywhere near £140-150k in my opinion... and i'm sure the resale figures will prove this in 12-18 months!

Roll on the TVR re-launch - which is exactly where my £100k would be going (if I had that cash...)

[MrScrot]

FN2TypeR said:

MrScrot said:

Putting an AMG in an Aston Martin does not feel right to me. If you buy an Aston you want it's British heritage.This engine drop nullifies that. I'm sure there are enough engineers in Britain that could produce a competitive, green engine, but marketing and business swines unfortunately stick red tape all over that.

What nonsense

Care to forward an opinion rather than just dismissing stuff?

[Raudus42]

hyphen said:

subirg said:

It's still a munter...

Lets hope its a bit ahead of its time and will look great down the line.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...I think it's stunning.

I imagine the driving characteristics will be better than the V12 as with the Bentley Conti V8, so the £13k will not matter either way, buyers will choose depending on how they will be using it. Sunday morning blast...V8 - cruising down to the Med...V12.

[GroundEffect]

MrScrot said:

FN2TypeR said:

MrScrot said:

Putting an AMG in an Aston Martin does not feel right to me. If you buy an Aston you want it's British heritage.This engine drop nullifies that. I'm sure there are enough engineers in Britain that could produce a competitive, green engine, but marketing and business swines unfortunately stick red tape all over that.

What nonsense

Care to forward an opinion rather than just dismissing stuff?

An engine like the 4.0V8TT Mercedes would have cost in the region of $200M to develop and tool up. Who has that money?

[Burnham]

kapiteinlangzaam said:

The pricing is a big mistake surely?

Why would anyone buy this, when the V12 is only a bit more?

I dont understand.

Agreed, as already mentioned above, it seems a bit pointless. People will spend more than £13k on options alone.

[Yipper]

Just so ugly. Aston made a booboo.

[Ed Straker]

Can I PLEASE just have this engine in a smaller better-looking Vantage?
It's been 4 years FFS.

[MrScrot]

GroundEffect said:

MrScrot said:

FN2TypeR said:

MrScrot said:

Putting an AMG in an Aston Martin does not feel right to me. If you buy an Aston you want it's British heritage.This engine drop nullifies that. I'm sure there are enough engineers in Britain that could produce a competitive, green engine, but marketing and business swines unfortunately stick red tape all over that.

What nonsense

Care to forward an opinion rather than just dismissing stuff?

An engine like the 4.0V8TT Mercedes would have cost in the region of $200M to develop and tool up. Who has that money?

VW got fined billions for their emissions scandal and have survived as a company. These car manufacturers have loads of money. Yes Aston Martin is a smaller company than VW so maybe they don't have the funds to do this.

But by "tooling up" your'e not just setting up for a new engine, you are giving people jobs and livelihoods, which is commendable in itself. Even if this does not make complete business sense you still have a re useable product.

[johnnnnnnyy]

hyphen said:

subirg said:

It's still a munter...

Lets hope its a bit ahead of its time and will look great down the line.

I'm not too sure myself, as much as I want to like this car (having owned a couple of Astons recently), it seems over designed, swap the badge for a Toyota and it would fit in their current design theme range. Will it stay the test of time, I doubt it. Will it be a classic in years to come, I doubt it. It all seems a bit 'shouty look at me', like wearing a fad designer suit with pointy shoes, rather than sophistication and being a handsome man. Maybe thats what they want now?

[DJM7691]

MrScrot said:

VW got fined billions for their emissions scandal and have survived as a company. These car manufacturers have loads of money. Yes Aston Martin is a smaller company than VW so maybe they don't have the funds to do this.

But by "tooling up" your'e not just setting up for a new engine, you are giving people jobs and livelihoods, which is commendable in itself. Even if this does not make complete business sense you still have a re useable product.

Lol, what a statement.

Aston absolutely do not have the money to develop their own engine from scratch, so they have to look at an alternative. Carry on with their own V8 which is years out of date, or take advantage of a partnership with Merc to use one of the best engines on sale today, and at a swoop increase power, economy, and decrease emissions. Also gaining a platform to base their next 10 years on.

Its not hard is it?

[GroundEffect]

MrScrot said:

GroundEffect said:

MrScrot said:

FN2TypeR said:

MrScrot said:

Putting an AMG in an Aston Martin does not feel right to me. If you buy an Aston you want it's British heritage.This engine drop nullifies that. I'm sure there are enough engineers in Britain that could produce a competitive, green engine, but marketing and business swines unfortunately stick red tape all over that.

What nonsense

Care to forward an opinion rather than just dismissing stuff?

An engine like the 4.0V8TT Mercedes would have cost in the region of $200M to develop and tool up. Who has that money?

VW got fined billions for their emissions scandal and have survived as a company. These car manufacturers have loads of money. Yes Aston Martin is a smaller company than VW so maybe they don't have the funds to do this.

But by "tooling up" your'e not just setting up for a new engine, you are giving people jobs and livelihoods, which is commendable in itself. Even if this does not make complete business sense you still have a re useable product.

Makes no business sense, agreed.

Remember the V8 in the current V8 Vantage is a Ford engine. And made in Germany, in a Ford facility......